Originally Posted by The Bruge Group

Since 1973 the UK has made contributions to the EC budget of almost £213.6 billion gross or £66.3 billion net,

Originally Posted by Martin2005

Crickey am I wrong about something, that the first time since 1982

Originally Posted by hutton_d

Blair is brilliant - as an actor! And feathering his own nest.
Trying to shape an institution that has been set up precisely to *shape us* into part of a Euro superstate? You're 'avin a laugh me old son ...... No way in a million years will we be able to shape anything that is EU. Not to the benefit of the UK tax payer anyway. The political classes however shape it to feather their own nests and further their own power base. If you can't see that then get back to the page 3 I, apparently, accused you of taking too much notice of ....

Dave

Originally Posted by unclebuck

You're wrong about nearly everything. But don't let that put you off.

Originally Posted by PeteBrant

Luan, this site is true
The Bruges Group



And we are supposed to paying £50.6 billion this year? -

Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang

cost of loss of fishing rights

Originally Posted by Martin2005

Go on then amuse me, name some

Originally Posted by _Meridian_

Actually that one is down to Thatcher. She put the rights on the open market, the British fleets weren't interested, and the Spanish bought them all.


M

Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang

The EEC common fisheries policy came into force 1977 and gave the Whole of Europe the right to fish 200 miles from their own coast this opend the doors for Spanish/french to fish our waters. THe trouble started when SPanish vessels started to register to British port so they could use up the UK's TAC (fish Quota)

I don't know how on earth you think Thatcher 'sold' our fishing rights.

Originally Posted by J4CKO

OK, Labour have arsed things a bit, but its down to what they have to work with, every person in this country should feel they have something to give to the greater good, they should not be hiding behind the welfare state, people need to understand that for them to take, be it benefits or them destroying a bus shelter it has to come from somewhere else, it all affects the bottom line, its the same in business, its like departments charging each other, we forget we are all part of one operating unit, a bit of responsibility to your fellow countrymen is in order, stand up and be counted !

The indigenous population need to do more, i.e. the ones that arent doing anything, if you are fit and well you shouldnt have time to watch Trisha, there should be no litter in the streets (the lazy ******* shouldnt drop it anyway) whilst able bodied people are sat with nothing to do, If I lose my job I would quite happily pitch up to do my bit until I find another.

The very rich need to pay their whack and not take it all offshore, there is something wrong when Multi Millionaires boast about paying less tax than a 20k a year PAYE worker.

The population as a whole needs to behave better, not damage stuff for the sake of it, not batter each other, not stab each other, stop robbing etc. Cretins need to stop breeding for the sake of it to get handouts. We need to re-eastablish the link between effort and reward, its gone, credit, benefits and the culture of celebrity have confused our youth, they look for ways to get stuff for nothing, a shortcut to fame through XFactor, a big lottery win or a loan of those companies that advertise on Sky when they are hanging round in the day when they should be working.

The population need to reduce the consumption of bad food, smoking and drinking to excess, this is one thing the goverment is getting better at, also do some exercise to lessen the burden on the NHS, look in any hospital its full of people who just dont look after themselves, I am trying to get better on this, its MY responsibility not the goverments, I pay taxes so there is a service if I am unlucky enough to be ill, not so I can **** myself up and have someone else sort it.

We need to stop importing problems, we let criminals in and they end up staying, Prgnant women from all over the place arrive and have their baby at the taxpayers expense, people arrive with all sorts of ailments that end up as our problem, sorry but if you dont pay in you can **** off, life is tough, we have evolved a situation to protect ourselves which has become a drop in centre for the worlds waifs and strays, sorry but it belongs to the British who pay massive tax for it, I personally dont want to pay for the rest of the worlds health, let them come up with their own systems, failing that we send aid.

Education, my brother in law doesnt feel like he can send his daughters to the local school as it is 80% non British, again, our kids should not be held back by kids that cant speak English at five.


Teenagers, running riot, laughing at the Police, killing homeowners who dare challenge their behaviour, some hard time is in order, wrath of god, back breaking, soul destroying, demeaning time, get a few through that and let them tell the rest how it is.

Schools, go to African countries and witness all the kids happy and eager to go to school because it is a privelige and they are lucky to go, a lot of ours regard it as boring and beneath them as they are waiting for that lottery win or Xfactor stardom, in the meantime they just want to play on the Xbox, go on Myspace/Facebook and ****, so we need to make school an privelige again, thats a tough one but we need to concentrate on what matters, No kids should leave school not being able to read and write, there is something badly wrong when that happens.

The way I see it is, the goverment runs out of money, they turn up the heat on the working population to pay for the genuine, the sick, the disabled and the unlucky plus all the hangers on then they turn it up a bit more to pay for their war and all the immigration and guess what the wick is fully out, the population are at breaking point, everything that can be taken has been taken, there is nothing more to give, a look at the recent elections shows that the country has voted, the bottom line I mentioned earlier is in full effect, but is it just us punishing a bad goverment or having a go back at ourselves as well ?

Originally Posted by Paul Habgood

Spot on J4CKO!

Finally the country seems to be waking up to it, fiunally people mention immigration without being called a rascist, Martin2005 i know you think people go on about it, ask any 20 people in the street what are the top three things - immigration will be in there for each and every person you ask - SN reflects this, like it or not chap!

Originally Posted by hutton_d

You've asked for facts before and many have been posted up. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to look them up ....

Dave

PS: as a hint, how about books out by a certain Mrs Anthony Blair and a Mr J Prescott. Oh, and a 6th property for that 'politician of his generation' Mr Anthony Blair. About £4M wasn't it? Not feathering his own nest? Stop talking cr%p!

Originally Posted by Paul Habgood

Spot on J4CKO!

Finally the country seems to be waking up to it, fiunally people mention immigration without being called a rascist, Martin2005 i know you think people go on about it, ask any 20 people in the street what are the top three things - immigration will be in there for each and every person you ask - SN reflects this, like it or not chap!

Originally Posted by unclebuck

"Blair, brilliant politican, undoubtedly."


I rest my case. Hitler was a 'brilliant politician' do you admire him as much?

Come back and try again when you've had some experience of life.

Originally Posted by Martin2005

Paul,

If that was the case then the BNP would be polling at 20% would they not?

Originally Posted by Martin2005

Paul,

If that was the case then the BNP would be polling at 20% would they not?

Originally Posted by unclebuck

"Blair, brilliant politican, undoubtedly."


I rest my case. Hitler was a 'brilliant politician' do you admire him as much?

Come back and try again when you've had some experience of life.

Originally Posted by Martin2005

Paul,

If that was the case then the BNP would be polling at 20% would they not?

Originally Posted by Lisawrx

Martin, as you well know it gets my goat when people blame immigration for all the ills of this country, but Paul raises a fair point, about questioning immigration policy doesn't necessarily mean someone is a racist. I was watching something earlier, when a man of some Asian decent (Pakastani/Indian I'm not sure, and mean no offence by not being sure btw), saying himself that immigration should be allowed to be questionned, without racism being brought into the arguement. There is a world of difference between thinking too many people are coming in, and questioning uncontrolled immigration, and being a BNP supporter, despite what a small poll may suggest. You will always have some with extreme views, then those who don't give some things enough thought, however, thankfully most tend to be more balanced, and while they have issues (this is expressed by various races don't forget), doesn't make them racists.

Originally Posted by J4CKO

Whoa, the BNP do not represent the majority view, they are basically the political arm of a White Supremacist organisation, like Sinn Fein were the politcal arm of a terrorist organisation, whites are not superior to anyone, all that is about keeping the upper hand and suppressing people, usually by bigoted scared little men.

Sorry but the BNP just come across as a few persuasive scumbags in suits fronting a load of Jack Booted comedy skinheads, the average Brit does not want to end immigration or send people back, they just want reasonable curbs on who and how many people we let in, is Australia racist with their system ?

Racism is hatred, curbs on immigration is just common sense, especially if existing immigrants are saying enough is enough, it just stresses public services so that they are diluted down too much.

As I keep harping on, the link between your actions and the success of a society needs to be re-established, its a profit and loss account, a big and complex one but from my standpoint we are big into the red at the moment.

A lady at work recently spent a weekend cleaning the local area, picking up litter for nothing, ok we don't all have the time but perhaps its time to think a bit more in terms of society as a whole to improve things as me me me doesnt seem to be working, I am not talking financially, more behaviour, respect and giving time ?

Originally Posted by J4CKO

Whoa, the BNP do not represent the majority view, they are basically the political arm of a White Supremacist organisation, like Sinn Fein were the politcal arm of a terrorist organisation, whites are not superior to anyone, all that is about keeping the upper hand and suppressing people, usually by bigoted scared little men.

Sorry but the BNP just come across as a few persuasive scumbags in suits fronting a load of Jack Booted comedy skinheads, the average Brit does not want to end immigration or send people back, they just want reasonable curbs on who and how many people we let in, is Australia racist with their system ?

Racism is hatred, curbs on immigration is just common sense, especially if existing immigrants are saying enough is enough, it just stresses public services so that they are diluted down too much.

As I keep harping on, the link between your actions and the success of a society needs to be re-established, its a profit and loss account, a big and complex one but from my standpoint we are big into the red at the moment.

A lady at work recently spent a weekend cleaning the local area, picking up litter for nothing, ok we don't all have the time but perhaps its time to think a bit more in terms of society as a whole to improve things as me me me doesnt seem to be working, I am not talking financially, more behaviour, respect and giving time ?

Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang

The EEC common fisheries policy came into force 1977 and gave the Whole of Europe the right to fish 200 miles from their own coast and opened the doors for Spanish/french to fish our waters. THe trouble started when SPanish vessels started to register to British port so they could use up the UK's TAC (fish Quota)

I don't know how on earth you think Thatcher 'sold' our fishing rights.

Originally Posted by Martin2005

Lisa did I mention racism? Maybe you missed it but there was a poll here on SN and 20% said they would vote BNP at the next election. All I was saying was , if this place was reflective of society in general then the BNP would be showing similar numbers in opinion polls and the recent election.

Originally Posted by Martin2005

Please do not for one minute think that I support that bunch of racist filth.

Originally Posted by hutton_d

The point was about them 'feathering their own nest'. In this case by profiting from their time in power. Are you really that thick that you can't understand plain English??


As for power - go read http://www.smf.co.uk/assets/files/pu...s_of_Habit.pdf and the *benefits* of social engineering - for the government that is! For a summary go read The Devil's Kitchen: The Art of Authoritarianism as I'm sure you're much too busy to read the pdf

Dave

Originally Posted by PeteBrant

Quite alot of untruths in what you wrote, but just to isolate this one. We aren't even close to being the highest taxed in Europe, let alone the world - Where on earth did you get this one from?

Sweden, Denmark, Belguim, France, Austria, Norway, Italy, Holland, Czech republic, Hungary & poland pay more than the UK per capita as a percentage of GDP for starters.