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27 May 2008, 12:15 PM
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As you don't consume alcohol then you'd make a great driver for someone. It's always good to have someone like you along for such utility. "Just wait in the car we'll be back in a few hours when we've finished enjoying ourselves"
Vegas is a hole, that's a fact. It also offer great opulance and the opportunity to indulge crass and vulgar whims. Therefore I like it. It probably won't suit you, IMO you need to burn a lot of dollars to enjoy it properly. Sort of reminds me of a modern day ancient Rome, you can eat lark's tongues before vomiting the lot up and attending yet another orgy (sort of).
Yes I hire a car, as I expense the entire trip it would be stupid not to. Sadly the Corvette just sat in various garages most of the time. Although it was a joy to blast down Route 66 in excess of 140mph, do burnouts etc.
As for the sun- only mad dogs and englishmen and I'm obviously smarter than either. No fun in being blasted by it besides the sun is terribly ageing........
Vegas is a hole, that's a fact. It also offer great opulance and the opportunity to indulge crass and vulgar whims. Therefore I like it. It probably won't suit you, IMO you need to burn a lot of dollars to enjoy it properly. Sort of reminds me of a modern day ancient Rome, you can eat lark's tongues before vomiting the lot up and attending yet another orgy (sort of).
Yes I hire a car, as I expense the entire trip it would be stupid not to. Sadly the Corvette just sat in various garages most of the time. Although it was a joy to blast down Route 66 in excess of 140mph, do burnouts etc.
As for the sun- only mad dogs and englishmen and I'm obviously smarter than either. No fun in being blasted by it besides the sun is terribly ageing........
If you were really doing 140 mph along Route 66 then you are a clown and also very lucky to get away with it. I certainly don't find that very impressive anyway.
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27 May 2008, 12:19 PM
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Unless things have changed since I was last there, I thought the speed limit in the States was 55 mph. If that is so still, there seems little point in hiring a very high performance car and wasting petrol which you could use for something more enjoyable.
If you were really doing 140 mph along Route 66 then you are a clown and also very lucky to get away with it. I certainly don't find that very impressive anyway.
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If you were really doing 140 mph along Route 66 then you are a clown and also very lucky to get away with it. I certainly don't find that very impressive anyway.
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27 May 2008, 12:32 PM
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Unless things have changed since I was last there, I thought the speed limit in the States was 55 mph. If that is so still, there seems little point in hiring a very high performance car and wasting petrol which you could use for something more enjoyable.
If you were really doing 140 mph along Route 66 then you are a clown and also very lucky to get away with it. I certainly don't find that very impressive anyway.
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If you were really doing 140 mph along Route 66 then you are a clown and also very lucky to get away with it. I certainly don't find that very impressive anyway.
Les
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2. Evidence is found in my so called 'self petard hoisting', as well as being an epicurist I also like the baser pleasures life has to offer.
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27 May 2008, 12:36 PM
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The speed limit is 75mph on that stretch of road and on a straight piece of road at 7 on a Sunday morning with nothing and nobody in sight I put it to you that 140mph isn't irresponsible and neither was I lucky to 'get away with it'. I regularly drive at speeds in excess of 160mph on public roads and feel it's no big deal at all. Perhaps for someone like yourself who isn't used to such speeds and doesn't have the practice and skill to deal with them you'd have a point. It isn't meant to be impressive either just a statement of fact. Regarding the 'wasting of fuel'- at the bargain price of £1.60 a gallon I enjoyed 'wasting' rather a lot of it.
A lot of ground to cover here so I'll do it point by point
1. I'm an elitist not a snob
2. Evidence is found in my so called 'self petard hoisting', as well as being an epicurist I also like the baser pleasures life has to offer.
3. I haven't infracted anyone on this thread (yet).
A lot of ground to cover here so I'll do it point by point
1. I'm an elitist not a snob
2. Evidence is found in my so called 'self petard hoisting', as well as being an epicurist I also like the baser pleasures life has to offer.
3. I haven't infracted anyone on this thread (yet).
Hi Nacro & welcome back.
27 May 2008, 12:55 PM
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Are you aware of Leslie's background, you might find he is more than capable at driving the sort of speeds you claim to do on public roads, however I think Les has a bit more about him than to do that on public roads
It might not be boasting stating you regularly drive in excess of 160mph but unless its a racetrack I dont think it is either big or clever, the risks are just too great
Even on a lonely deserted highway, a blow out at 160mph is probably borderline fatal for youself and perhaps anything else that might end up being in your way, something that you may not have seen travelling at that sort of speed unless you have reflexes akin to that of one M Schumacher
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Are you aware of Leslie's background, you might find he is more than capable at driving the sort of speeds you claim to do on public roads, however I think Les has a bit more about him than to do that on public roads
It might not be boasting stating you regularly drive in excess of 160mph but unless its a racetrack I dont think it is either big or clever, the risks are just too great
Even on a lonely deserted highway, a blow out at 160mph is probably borderline fatal for youself and perhaps anything else that might end up being in your way, something that you may not have seen travelling at that sort of speed unless you have reflexes akin to that of one M Schumacher
27 May 2008, 01:13 PM
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NACRO
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Are you aware of Leslie's background, you might find he is more than capable at driving the sort of speeds you claim to do on public roads, however I think Les has a bit more about him than to do that on public roads
It might not be boasting stating you regularly drive in excess of 160mph but unless its a racetrack I dont think it is either big or clever, the risks are just too great
Even on a lonely deserted highway, a blow out at 160mph is probably borderline fatal for youself and perhaps anything else that might end up being in your way, something that you may not have seen travelling at that sort of speed unless you have reflexes akin to that of one M Schumacher
Welcome back
Are you aware of Leslie's background, you might find he is more than capable at driving the sort of speeds you claim to do on public roads, however I think Les has a bit more about him than to do that on public roads
It might not be boasting stating you regularly drive in excess of 160mph but unless its a racetrack I dont think it is either big or clever, the risks are just too great
Even on a lonely deserted highway, a blow out at 160mph is probably borderline fatal for youself and perhaps anything else that might end up being in your way, something that you may not have seen travelling at that sort of speed unless you have reflexes akin to that of one M Schumacher
I don't think it's 'big or clever' to drive in excess of 160mph either. It's a fact of life on my weekly commute. I'm by no means the fastest thing out there either.
Regarding the risks I'm a great believer that a 100mph smash is as likely to be fatal as one at higher speeds. Life is about taking calculated risks, some are better at assessing said risks than others. All academic anyway the 'debate' on this issue is, IMO, just an excuse for people to have a crack. That said having settled the issue let's move onto the next, hopefully on topic.
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27 May 2008, 02:22 PM
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The speed limit is 75mph on that stretch of road and on a straight piece of road at 7 on a Sunday morning with nothing and nobody in sight I put it to you that 140mph isn't irresponsible and neither was I lucky to 'get away with it'. I regularly drive at speeds in excess of 160mph on public roads and feel it's no big deal at all. Perhaps for someone like yourself who isn't used to such speeds and doesn't have the practice and skill to deal with them you'd have a point. It isn't meant to be impressive either just a statement of fact. Regarding the 'wasting of fuel'- at the bargain price of £1.60 a gallon I enjoyed 'wasting' rather a lot of it.
A lot of ground to cover here so I'll do it point by point
1. I'm an elitist not a snob
2. Evidence is found in my so called 'self petard hoisting', as well as being an epicurist I also like the baser pleasures life has to offer.
3. I haven't infracted anyone on this thread (yet).
A lot of ground to cover here so I'll do it point by point
1. I'm an elitist not a snob
2. Evidence is found in my so called 'self petard hoisting', as well as being an epicurist I also like the baser pleasures life has to offer.
3. I haven't infracted anyone on this thread (yet).
As has been stated by others, those sorts of speeds on public roads amount to criminal irresponsibilty and I repeat that you were lucky to get away with it-ie that you were not caught at it.
My point about "wasting" fuel was purely that the money could have been better spent. That could be important to some although of course you will say that you don't need to worry about that sort of thing.
Thanks however for bringing me up to date on the speed limit on Route 66, it was not like that the last time I drove along it.
I too would not feel the need for infracting anyone, I would rather speak for myself.
Les
27 May 2008, 02:29 PM
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Given that as you said that you know that I held a full international track racing licence for 15 years and broke a few lap records which have never been exceeded, then perhaps you would like to explain why you said that I might not have the experience or the ability to cope with the speeds that you admit to driving at on public roads.
As has been stated by others, those sorts of speeds on public roads amount to criminal irresponsibilty and I repeat that you were lucky to get away with it-ie that you were not caught at it.
My point about "wasting" fuel was purely that the money could have been better spent. That could be important to some although of course you will say that you don't need to worry about that sort of thing.
Thanks however for bringing me up to date on the speed limit on Route 66, it was not like that the last time I drove along it.
I too would not feel the need for infracting anyone, I would rather speak for myself.
Les
As has been stated by others, those sorts of speeds on public roads amount to criminal irresponsibilty and I repeat that you were lucky to get away with it-ie that you were not caught at it.
My point about "wasting" fuel was purely that the money could have been better spent. That could be important to some although of course you will say that you don't need to worry about that sort of thing.
Thanks however for bringing me up to date on the speed limit on Route 66, it was not like that the last time I drove along it.
I too would not feel the need for infracting anyone, I would rather speak for myself.
Les
Getting back to the 21st century obviously it wasn't luck that meant I wasn't caught. It was good planning and equipment. Irresponsibility doesn't come into it.
I doubt you'll ever get the chance or have the inclination but believe me when I 'wasting' fuel has never been so enjoyable. The noise alone was worth every penny, never mind the feel good factor.
27 May 2008, 03:14 PM
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Leslie, your history is very impressive. I remember once reading about a steam train that could push 130mph.
Getting back to the 21st century obviously it wasn't luck that meant I wasn't caught. It was good planning and equipment. Irresponsibility doesn't come into it.
I doubt you'll ever get the chance or have the inclination but believe me when I 'wasting' fuel has never been so enjoyable. The noise alone was worth every penny, never mind the feel good factor.
Getting back to the 21st century obviously it wasn't luck that meant I wasn't caught. It was good planning and equipment. Irresponsibility doesn't come into it.
I doubt you'll ever get the chance or have the inclination but believe me when I 'wasting' fuel has never been so enjoyable. The noise alone was worth every penny, never mind the feel good factor.
It is rather revealing that you do not consider your actions on the public roads to be irresponsible. No one is that important!
You are certainly not qualified to make any comments on my chances or inclinations as far as fast driving is concerned,now or in the future, and I do of course enjoy the sound of a good exhaust note as well as the next man.
You really should make sure that you know the facts before you start making comments about someone whom you have not even met.
Les
27 May 2008, 03:19 PM
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I have to say that your rather weak attempt at belittlement with respect to my experience does you no favours old chap.
It is rather revealing that you do not consider your actions on the public roads to be irresponsible. No one is that important!
You are certainly not qualified to make any comments on my chances or inclinations as far as fast driving is concerned,now or in the future, and I do of course enjoy the sound of a good exhaust note as well as the next man.
You really should make sure that you know the facts before you start making comments about someone whom you have not even met.
Les
It is rather revealing that you do not consider your actions on the public roads to be irresponsible. No one is that important!
You are certainly not qualified to make any comments on my chances or inclinations as far as fast driving is concerned,now or in the future, and I do of course enjoy the sound of a good exhaust note as well as the next man.
You really should make sure that you know the facts before you start making comments about someone whom you have not even met.
Les
You have no idea about me or my background.
As someone who legally (and responsibly I might add) regularly drives at high speeds on public roads I have my own take on what is responsible. This thread isn't the place to discuss them though. It was about my top tips for an enjoyable visit to the Grand Canyon but sadly jealousy and ignorance on behalf of others seems to have dragged it off topic. Shame.
27 May 2008, 03:24 PM
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These threads are awesome, don't people get excited!
I would say that when I went to the USA in 2000 there was a rule about having to stay in at least three national parks to be in a hotel inside the park boundry. Views at sunrise are fantastic, and if you are there in the autumn it can be pretty chilly in the morning as the top of the Canyon is 6000 ft. The Statosphere area of Las Vegas is a sh1te hole. But the other end is OK, however none of this can ever ready you for the anti-climax of Hollywood...
I would say that when I went to the USA in 2000 there was a rule about having to stay in at least three national parks to be in a hotel inside the park boundry. Views at sunrise are fantastic, and if you are there in the autumn it can be pretty chilly in the morning as the top of the Canyon is 6000 ft. The Statosphere area of Las Vegas is a sh1te hole. But the other end is OK, however none of this can ever ready you for the anti-climax of Hollywood...
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I presume NACRO is talking about driving at speeds of 160+ on derestricted sections of autobahn before anyone gets too excited. The one thing I've noticed when you drive regularly on them is that 110 -120mph soon becomes a comfortable 'normal' speed. The roads are generally quieter and and lane discipline is excellent
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I presume NACRO is talking about driving at speeds of 160+ on derestricted sections of autobahn before anyone gets too excited. The one thing I've noticed when you drive regularly on them is that 110 -120mph soon becomes a comfortable 'normal' speed. The roads are generally quieter and and lane discipline is excellent
The thought of someone being on an even keel, shocking, how dare you Les
I must say this thread has turned into a "My dad's...." thread. Sad really. But some interesting twists and turns. Elite, yet cheap..... hmmm
27 May 2008, 09:31 PM
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Fair enough if its on the Autobahn, I did 150 somewhere more limited (though empty and straight) recently and spent two weeks papping myself, so I think that regular and sustained high speed in this country would end in a ban very quickly.
Why do you feel the need to wind people up and be controversial all the time, ok, you are uncompromising and edgy, yes we get it, we (mostly) enjoy your opinions and experiences but getting infracted all the time is just counter productive, ok there is an element of itchy trigger finger syndrome now but don't give them the ammo.
Perhaps you could have a go at playing nice for a week and see what happens, go on, bet you cant do it.
Do you get snotted very often in day to day life ?
Why do you feel the need to wind people up and be controversial all the time, ok, you are uncompromising and edgy, yes we get it, we (mostly) enjoy your opinions and experiences but getting infracted all the time is just counter productive, ok there is an element of itchy trigger finger syndrome now but don't give them the ammo.
Perhaps you could have a go at playing nice for a week and see what happens, go on, bet you cant do it.
Do you get snotted very often in day to day life ?
27 May 2008, 10:35 PM
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Mildly back on topic I agree with NACRO about hotel locations, Flamingo is well placed and they offer good deals. Yes its 40C and windy but at least it isn't humid, bearable if out walking but a nightmare if wearing contact lenses!
28 May 2008, 07:23 AM
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Agreed it's bearable and pleasant enough at first, strolling around but if you want to see as much as possible in Vegas without wasting time traipsing past empty lots, scumbags, plebs and other street vermin then you want to stay centre strip.
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I hear what you're saying and it has been noted In fact I've just had a quick look and the Flamingo is pretty cheap considering its location so I'll definitely consider it when we get a bit nearer to Vegas.
In fact I've just had a quick look and the Flamingo is pretty cheap considering its location so I'll definitely consider it when we get a bit nearer to Vegas.
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If you do stay there then make sure you get a 'GO' room. Some of the people I know staying there had a standard room and it was nasty.
Another option would be- Bill's Gamblin Hall, right next to Flamingo and cheaper. The rooms in there looked to be good quality if smaller than in Flamingo. You could see over to the fountains at Bellagio and I have a great picture taken from our friends suite of our hotel room there with the fountains in full swing.
Another option would be- Bill's Gamblin Hall, right next to Flamingo and cheaper. The rooms in there looked to be good quality if smaller than in Flamingo. You could see over to the fountains at Bellagio and I have a great picture taken from our friends suite of our hotel room there with the fountains in full swing.
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If you do stay there then make sure you get a 'GO' room. Some of the people I know staying there had a standard room and it was nasty.
Another option would be- Bill's Gamblin Hall, right next to Flamingo and cheaper. The rooms in there looked to be good quality if smaller than in Flamingo. You could see over to the fountains at Bellagio and I have a great picture taken from our friends suite of our hotel room there with the fountains in full swing.
Another option would be- Bill's Gamblin Hall, right next to Flamingo and cheaper. The rooms in there looked to be good quality if smaller than in Flamingo. You could see over to the fountains at Bellagio and I have a great picture taken from our friends suite of our hotel room there with the fountains in full swing.
The 'GO' rooms look incredibly tacky (shiny white studded headboards on the bed! 
) but without a whiff of chintz, phew The other thing I've considered is staying off strip in a quieter hotel with a shuttle bus service. The only problem with this is that I have no idea which areas to avoid at all costs. I'm a bit neurotic about noise when I'm sleeping and I'm not sure that even my high grade earplugs can deal with Vegas in full swing
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The speed limit is 75mph on that stretch of road and on a straight piece of road at 7 on a Sunday morning with nothing and nobody in sight I put it to you that 140mph isn't irresponsible and neither was I lucky to 'get away with it'. I regularly drive at speeds in excess of 160mph on public roads and feel it's no big deal at all. Perhaps for someone like yourself who isn't used to such speeds and doesn't have the practice and skill to deal with them you'd have a point. It isn't meant to be impressive either just a statement of fact. Regarding the 'wasting of fuel'- at the bargain price of £1.60 a gallon I enjoyed 'wasting' rather a lot of it.
A lot of ground to cover here so I'll do it point by point
1. I'm an elitist not a snob
2. Evidence is found in my so called 'self petard hoisting', as well as being an epicurist I also like the baser pleasures life has to offer.
3. I haven't infracted anyone on this thread (yet).
A lot of ground to cover here so I'll do it point by point
1. I'm an elitist not a snob
2. Evidence is found in my so called 'self petard hoisting', as well as being an epicurist I also like the baser pleasures life has to offer.
3. I haven't infracted anyone on this thread (yet).
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Nothing is impossible, just sometimes a tad awkward.
PS.... who said I have or only have a UK licence?
Thats like "assuming" you were talking about doing 160 on a UK road now isn't it
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Nobody said you did or didn't have a UK licence and I'd be surprised if anyone was stupid enough to assume I would admit to breaking any laws on a public forum.
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He took his U.S test though and that brought the cost right down
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I presume NACRO is talking about driving at speeds of 160+ on derestricted sections of autobahn before anyone gets too excited. The one thing I've noticed when you drive regularly on them is that 110 -120mph soon becomes a comfortable 'normal' speed. The roads are generally quieter and and lane discipline is excellent
I noticed that "Ooop North", when driving to the Lake District. I dont think anyone was going below 90mph even in lane one on the quiet stretches of motorway, but it was sooo much less streesful to maintain higher speeds, as everyone had adjusted their driving style accordingly: No eratic lane changes, no tailgating, no middle lane hogging etc.. I'm not advocating doing 3 figure speeds on all motorways regardless of the conditions, of course; sometimes 60mph is plenty! However, in good weather conditions, with low traffic volume, and in a performance car, 120mph is nothing to get too excited about.
Shell UK will love it!
