Maz

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All in all a good day. I thought the entry fee was £20 so getting a fiver back was a bonus. There were plenty of runners so plenty to see. Okay some of the big boys were missing but there were enough to keep things interesting. Plus Micky's runs were very lively and with a PB a great result.

172sport

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I agree a couple of hairpins would make all the difference, no use having a big turbo then

mickywrx

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You're too kind, Maz.

evo north

I agree it should suit all types of cars, But some of those bends are not designed by a proper driver,
I do around 10 sprints per year in the mlr and msa,
I would never do these cone type,
No offensive but with your spec of car you probably will easily see the cones,
At pace its much more difficult,

Can i ask why you trailor the car with very low spec please,

T5NYW

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TBH I have to agree with you on "Snow blindness" thing, especially if it's your first event like it, it was mine. although the Season Pro's seemed to be OK so most have been just us newbies struggling

The hardest one to "Guess" was the final bend, just pick a cone, hope it's the apex and see the camera men scatter although most hairpins seemed to overshoot

it was so hard to judge Hence a lot of "Oh @@@@" wheres the road gone then tooo fast in and massive under-steer, I don't think I managed to get 2 corners in a row right. Once you had a rough Idea of the course, a gust of wind blows the cones and new course laid

To be fair, as previously stated the organisers, can't be held responsible for the wind. "If" they "Line painted" just the bends and join it up with cones would improve it. IMHO

I did manage a 43.500 and a 43.594 on handling, reckon could have dropped a 1-1.5 off that time "If" i knew were I was going



Tony

T5NYW

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Just to add



I met some really nice Guys, who made me welcome

Enjoyed the day

12.65 1/4

3 nights in York

1 day at Scarbough

450 mile round trip



IMHO

Wmscooby

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Was my first one and i thought is was good

A few more traders and a couple of beer tents and an ice cream van and we would have been sorted

Congrats to our boy Morbes who ran a PB of 10.9 against RCM

mickywrx

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I think I met you yesterday morning. Outside,I had my toon top on, and I think, if it was you, you were parked next to gus?

evo north

T5Ny,
Aggree mate,, No real massive skill in those tight silly bends,
You get massive understeer because you are to late on the brakes, because you can;t see where the next corner is,,
Get on a proper track like silverstone/rockingham, etc,, different world,
These 2 tracks do do short sprint courses,

chrisT.O.T.B.

what you also have to recognise is that the handling cct has to be slowed down in places to allow areas for cars to be able to see /stop at the red flags, when a prior car spun off. the multi car timing relies on being able to run decent safe gaps between cars and bringing them to a halt within reason at visible points. Also wide open fast power circuits have proven to give the advantage purely to the big power cars in previous years, and led to a lot of high speed wipeouts taking most of the cones with them and ending up a long way from the track, with resultant delays. So a compromise has to be reached and the initial feedback was good from the actual drivers in general about the course layout from what the handling guys said.

scoobytyson

I found the handling course the same as you, it was just a blur of cones and couldnt judge the corners at all which meant alot of understeer as i was going to fast and braking on the bend , still managed 42.8 some how but could of gone alot faster if knew where the hell i was going

Puff The Magic Wagon!

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Its cost effective!

360 miles @ <20mpg is about £100 these days. Trailer is £60 for the weekend.

Plus I can get all my bits n pieces in the volvo - with room to spare - and if it all goes Pete Tong, then can drop it back on the trailer & take it all home without fannying around for the AA

Peace of mind at the end of the day & a wee bit more comfortable

evo north

Chris,, You will never beat a proper black tarmac circuit and green grass offs,
Its so simple to follow,,
That course was to mickey mouse,
Where can you run a proper racing line etc,,
No braking points,,
It does need to have a few 2nd gear and 3rd gear corners to get best out of all the members,,
I am meant to be at elvington soon in the msa nssc calender but may miss this one out,

chrisT.O.T.B.

i agree a proper black tarmac sprint with grass run off would be perfect :-)
if the owner of elvington wasnt spending all his money fighting the noise case in court tho who knows what might happen ? I think the handling guys did a reasonable job with what they have to work with there and did make it work, but accept that concrete and cones are harder to visualise than a full sprint track on tarmac would be.

speye91

That Jet that fired up for 30 mins was far more noisey then all the scoobs put together.

And the locals complain about the Cars.

I personally hope that the Ruling is in favour for Elvington.

chrisT.O.T.B.

yes the jet engine drowned out most of the cars running! not sure what the ruling is on that but cant be helpful!

T5NYW

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Yes that was me

Chris

Totally agree power, wasn't the be all and end all on the handling circuit, as times showed I thought it was a great layout and love to do it again

OK "Pro's" "Regulars" to these sorts of events didn't have the problems we newbies had I thought it was just me being a SSO "Newby" but seems others also found route very hard to judge, a blur of cones, Cone blindnes. Sea of cones.


Perhaps all left-hand cones were blue and all right-hand yellow. (ok you did that on the bends) at least on the approach to a hairpin you could then distinguish/visualise the exit roads angle.

nothing worse than us "also rans" getting dejected because we struggled to complete let alone Compete on the circuit.

IIRC IMHO

Tony

Mikkel

First time I have been and overall enjoyed it.

Negative point was the trade stands. I was expecting more to do and see.

Watching the 1/4 miles was fun for an hour or two but then once you've seen the same cars go up and down a few times it gets a bit old. I tried to watch the handling circuit but couldn't really tell what was going on, who was doing well and who wasn't... besides the one guy in the blue hawker who spun out taking half the cones with him

So, from a spectators point of view it was good for an hour or two and looking around the cars and speaking to people was cool. To improve the event for next year make sure the time display for the 1/4 mile is working, perhaps make the classes more clear so we can see cars from the same class going head to head. It would be interesting to know what the spec of the car was that you were watching going up against a similar spec car if you see what I mean... not sure how you would do this though.

The handling circuit (from a spectators point of view) was poor. The runs need to be communicated either visually (time splits) or audibly (a commentator we can hear) in order to tell what is going on.

The entrance fee was fair and £70 is ok to compete IMHO.

chrisT.O.T.B.

fair points and a few issues noted for feedback to the timing people re displays and commentary. cheers

bigsinky

this is how it used to be. the original TOTB and SSO was for road cars. we drove from belfast, raced all day and drove them home again. how some of the cars from the mainland have passed MOT is beyond me. stripped out dedicated drag cars with micky thompsons would NOT pass MOT in Northern Ireland.

gussy

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Nice to meet you on Sunday Tony its good to put a name to a face....at the end of it I new clutch to fit next week

wrxginge

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Well mine is stripped out but still all legal and driven on the roads. Not like some that may be legal but are rarely driven on the road. I put gas boilers and all sorts in the back of my wagon.

Tidgy

£70 for entry was ok, sounds alot but compared to events like that else where it's pretty cheap, and for the person that ran 50 times, bargin day eh lol

tbh i found the noise limit is a joke (just like donny race track), i was having a natter with the lady at sign on about it and i can tell that she was resutraited by it as well.

why people move to an area where theres an airfield where racing and planes etc happen then complain about noise is beyond me.

biggest critasism was for the handeling, cones were blowing all over, the track was changing shape from lap to lap, people were cutting corners (and only 1 person got any penaltiesas far as im aware? how did that work?) also a car got its fastest time when a cone blew over the timing gate, even the driver admited it to the marshals due to wanting to be fair, but the time still stood.

think the course needed to be marked out, then the cones used should have had a shed load of sand in the base to keep em in place.

RobinSherwood

Surely the result of the handling competition prove otherwise?

If skill was not a major factor on the handling course then how do you explain my fully trimmed Spec D coming 3rd in the handling competition.?

Tom and I had a great day, I thought it was well organised and everyone did their best to deal with the problems presented by the wind.

I agree some of the trade stands were a bit disappointing but that isn't the organisers fault and some of the traders who were there could have made more of an effort such as waving a sponge and some soapy water at some of the stuff they had up for sale.

But overall as I have said I thought it was a good day which we enjoyed.

evo north

The track even changed in size over the course of the day,,
You car did very well with a very good young driver at the wheel,,
It was best suited to a car like yours, little lag,,
Where is the racing lines etc, Each run the circuit changed, Terrible layout,,
The times would of been alot better if consistantsy had been
ps,, how much money did it cost you to get chris to design a mickey mouse circuit

martyrobertsdj

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If I win the Euro Lottery, then I'll have a word with the owner of Elvington and I'll see if I can help out I've always wanted to be involved with a motorsport venue........part owner of Elvington sounds ok to me!!!! lol

help2003

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Have to say it was a cracking day out, only problem I didnt like was £15 per person, to look at a hand full of stands and to see some great cars racing,

P20SPD

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Chris, i was there when trevor walked in and said it was ok for the audi to run, so i asked if Paul NOrth could run his evo, which trevor said was ok. Sadly Paul didnt bring his evo

When i broke the gearbox in the Lateral Sti5 i was going to ask if i could take the M3 up the strip and test the launch control on it, but Emma said no

evo north

Thanks for asking for me mate,,
Funny rules there,,
I think next year if around same entrants, They might consider asking a few other cars to run,,
It would of been good to see you run the m3 up the strip

chrisT.O.T.B.

not sure if this is a dig or what? not sure why? I have no involvement in the course design other than asking the guys who do it to do their best as usual, and they do a good job.
the course layout (as usual) was done by martin and his guys, he has set up every totb course and sso course so far. he is under pressure to keep tyre noise down where possible (insisted upon by elvington) and to run a safe course that can test the drivers not rely on outright power cars to win each time. Additionally he tries to change it round every time so its new.

i suspect he did just that as proven by a lower power car driven by a young guy as mentioned coming third overall. ok it wasnt easy in the wind and the course layout had to be changed for the final, but all 4 guys ran the same course.