simonbb1328

Lurches to be petted and friendly no doubt.... I know bigger dogs are stronger but they have never fased me what so ever, still no matter what kind of dog people should naturally be cautious I suppose

simonbb1328

still tho in an image like that a dog wouldd look scary of whatever breed.
At least the high majority of dog owners are sensible people who train and control there animals.

Snazy

Sensible attitude mate
Yeah lurching to be petted, but he only ever manages to get the slack off the lead, then he gets no further, let alone near them

As for bigger = stronger. At home he can flatten some pretty large people when he wants to, and pull over some of the strongest people I know lol. After all a single dog can pull a small sled and a person.

Spoon

My guess is that dog is American (rather ugly and colourless) and is being trained for protection (either real protection or the Schutzund protection phase) and being agitated by somebody in front of him. Nothing more than a normal training session.

Spoon

Afternoon, Snaz. Frawley will already know, believe me.

Snazy

I remember seeing some real scary GSD's being trained in a kennels in Redhill I think it was. Guy breeds and trains for some of the international police and armed forces !
That said, the couple of times Tuvaaq has shown his teeth, he becomes a very different looking dog.

ScoobyWon't

I saw something about a £65000 GSD for personal protection. That's an expensive pooch, I wonder what they feed him? I bet it's not Pal. Probably intruders

Snazy

Haha one of those very proud of their pics eh Rightly so.
Afternoon squire

Trying to find some pics of a couple of Mals i know, but working. They look VERY different.

Spoon

Despite the dogs look it is probably more controlled than you could imagine. I have one here that can pull that pose on command if I clip his lead on and he thinks its game on. Though un-clip his lead and he's back to the way he was.

ScoobyWon't

Everytime I see his name, I think it could be the name of a 4x4 from a Japanese or Korean manufacturer.

Just imagine Clarkson introducing it on Top Gear...
<Jezza>
The new Nissan Tuuvaq
</Jezza>

Scoobychick

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That's made me chuckle It kind of works doesn't it?

Snazy

Aaaaah some people eh I know what you mean though

As for dogs and their appearances, if these came running over to you, what what would you think their intentions were..

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pimmo2000

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How do they agitate the dogs ??

Scoobychick

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That they wanted a nice cuddle

Spoon

You'll probably find that is dollars and not pounds. The price tag is for those that *think* they are getting more than you can for $10-15K. In reality you are not. The puppies cost the same, the training doesn't differ greatly, certainly not to that extent.

Oh and I deal with these guys daily.

Snazy

Except the name has been adapted from Tuvaaq to Tuuvaq
So cant be talking about my furball

Meaning Hunter, im sure it would slot in well with the Warrior truck

Snazy

Thats certainly what I see

Pimmo, by winding them up, some trainers will use physical irritation, others just vocal and physical gestures.

simonbb1328

Chances are yeah, I work with this breed sometimes and have seen how well trained and controlled they can be.

ScoobyWon't

I deliberately mis-spelt it so I could claim the copyright

Spoon

A guy will be dressed in a bite suit goading the dog with a stick or whatever 'tool' chosen. Eventually the dog is let loose to bite the sleeve and so on......

simonbb1328

Dont look vicious in the pics tho as in snarling etc, just breathing and running. LOOK

pimmo2000

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How do they teach the dog the difference between a friend and an enemy ?

I assume they teach it to attack on command this way ? but how do they teach the dog to know who to attack ?

Say a customer walks into the yard, the owner is not around and the dog is not contained .. would the dog only attack on command ? if so would it not attack someone breaking in ?

simonbb1328

If a police dog is tracking or chasing and someone steps out in its path there is I high chance they would get it instead. They can be trained to a certain degree but not to be able to tell e.g a customer or a crook apart (imo).

pimmo2000

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Oh right .. very risky then really

Spoon

For starters the whole idea of a trained dog is that it will always be with its handler. That way the handler does what he can to direct the dog towards the target. Usually the target is running and the dog in training is used to chasing somebody running. If the target doesn't run then anybody is capable of grabbing him, so a dog wouldn't necessarily be required anyway.

If the target is stationary but aggressive the dog will attack on command OR in some cases instinctively. This is a often debated area as todays PC world would like the dog to work purely off a command to save lawsuits, however sometimes that isn't always possible (attacks from the persons blindspots) and a good dog might sense this and attack anyway.

Your scenario above doesn't really apply to a trained dog but more a guard dog (completely different thing). If any territorial dog is loose in a yard and somebody enters that yard then they stand a big chance of being attacked. That dog isn't trained, merely territorial.

A trained dog in the same situation (handler not there) would more than likely attack too, not because of its training though but because somebody has entered his territory and his natural dog instincts tell him its wrong.

flashgordon666

True.

pimmo2000

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ah right I see.

SO is the dog paired with the handler from the start ? Same handler type thing for its whole life .. when possible

Richiehash

The big one is an enormous softie-his near family(ok he's a pretty good pedigree-for those that know his grandad is Drim (st lythans) and his great uncle is a pretty good showdog too-won more than any other i believe)are used in patient therapy their temprement is that good-he's a solid 10 stone of cuddles-the little one acts like a spaniel-all she wants to do is play 24/7 if she could-the most danger they'd be to someone would be if they knocked you over by accident when they are running free.
However(always a downside) mine have been socialised with young kids(we teach them how to train/command them properly) ferrets(very amusing) random strangers other dogs cats sheep cattle etc damn hard work but worth it in the long run as they are both well known now locally and genuinly loved by all but a very few
cheers
richie

Spoon

After initial training the dog goes to wherever.

Police dog handlers get their dog allocated and as a rule stick with it until retirement. Some officers keep the dog after service as a pet.

PP and Sport dogs are the same after initial training except can change hands more often but not necessarily so.

I have dogs for sale that have had several owners. Some very well trained in sport but just too old for top competition that make superb pets, if not expensive. PP dog owners circumstances change too and dogs come up for sale for whatever reason/s. Once a hand-over is completed with the new owner/handler the dog quickly learns his role is the same but just for somebody else.

pimmo2000

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I guess they look at their dogs in a different way to we do with pets, but I can't imagine handing over a dog one its no longer useful..

Police dogs too, they must get attached to the dog and I would think it would be difficult to send the dog into the line of fire ...