Anyone else excited at the prospect of President Obama?
04 June 2008, 02:42 PM
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As a continent (think Alaska here) the Americas are more than self-sufficient when it comes to oil supplies, and the 'we went into Iraq for the oil' argument is just garbage. A better argument would be that Bush, and his lapdog Blair as you call him, were on some sort of crusade of righteousness on behalf of God.
I don't think Iraq was a good move, and what it achieved was simply to accelerate the inevitable clash between us and the 'radical faiths'.
Kevin
I don't think Iraq was a good move, and what it achieved was simply to accelerate the inevitable clash between us and the 'radical faiths'.
Kevin
It's written into the American constitution that they can go to war with any country on the planet who threaten America. That threat doesn't have to be hostile. If America ran out of milk producing cows, technically they could forceably invade, say France, and take all their cows.
World oil shortages and America's appetite for oil means Iraq was a target due to the oil fields it has. That is also the reason Iran keeps getting mentioned. Another oil rich nation.
You may be interested to know that every US company given licence to extract oil from Iraq was/is a Bush Jnr/Snr supporter.
Don't be Brainwashed by the human rights/weapons of mass destruction nonsence. A smoke screen to disguise the true reason.
04 June 2008, 02:52 PM
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As a continent (think Alaska here) the Americas are more than self-sufficient when it comes to oil supplies, and the 'we went into Iraq for the oil' argument is just garbage. A better argument would be that Bush, and his lapdog Blair as you call him, were on some sort of crusade of righteousness on behalf of God.
I don't think Iraq was a good move, and what it achieved was simply to accelerate the inevitable clash between us and the 'radical faiths'.
Kevin
I don't think Iraq was a good move, and what it achieved was simply to accelerate the inevitable clash between us and the 'radical faiths'.
Kevin
Religion has nothing to do with it. Not even Bush is that thick, but he IS a capitalist.
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04 June 2008, 02:59 PM
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As for Hillary, I think she up in a lot of people's books for saying she'd nuke Iran if they did it to Israel - she was panned for saying it, but I bet they reckon she has bigger bo11ocks than Obama does for saying it.
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04 June 2008, 04:17 PM
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The message it sends out is that the Democratic party is happy to condemn itself to the political wilderness and gift the Republicans the next general election even though they have a weak candidate and a poor record. 
04 June 2008, 04:34 PM
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Just listened to his speech to APAC and he was really pushing the good 'ole Kansas homeboy angle and pro Israel message ( hardly surprising with that audience, but nonetheless everybody gets to hear it ).
There is no doubt he (like Blair) does deliver a good speech, and if you close your eyes he could be white. The message is good, it's just whether or not the yanks can get over the race hurdle.
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04 June 2008, 04:38 PM
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04 June 2008, 04:58 PM
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i know, that was the point. Kevin asked the question why did we think that the US were any more forward thinking than us in terms of Race, and I pointed out that the UK parties had never had a black leader.I think Thacther said it in ;76 when she was Education secretary, she became PM in '79, but yes, not the most accurate prediction in the world.
04 June 2008, 05:55 PM
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Quote: Martin2005
"I think in Paul eagerness to have a go at me (for reasons I don't understand), he made himself look a bit silly with those comments "
I was merely seeing if you could explain yourself without Pete answering on your behalf.
Clearly?????
Clearly that isn't what I meant I don't think that at all. It's not that they 'desperately want' a black president, it's that Americans would vote for one, that's the message
If you think that makes me look a bit silly then that's up to you. Personally I think every time you post you look a bit silly, but I don't try to stop you.
"I think in Paul eagerness to have a go at me (for reasons I don't understand), he made himself look a bit silly with those comments "
I was merely seeing if you could explain yourself without Pete answering on your behalf.
Clearly you think if Obama gets the presidency then it will send out a message that America desperately wants a black president. Personally I feel that if he does it will be because he proves himself to be the best candidate for the job and will not be because America has suddenly advanced from slavery.
Clearly that isn't what I meant I don't think that at all. It's not that they 'desperately want' a black president, it's that Americans would vote for one, that's the message
If you think that makes me look a bit silly then that's up to you. Personally I think every time you post you look a bit silly, but I don't try to stop you.
04 June 2008, 07:16 PM
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So you're saying invading Iraq had nothing to do with oil?
It's written into the American constitution that they can go to war with any country on the planet who threaten America. That threat doesn't have to be hostile. If America ran out of milk producing cows, technically they could forceably invade, say France, and take all their cows.
World oil shortages and America's appetite for oil means Iraq was a target due to the oil fields it has. That is also the reason Iran keeps getting mentioned. Another oil rich nation.
You may be interested to know that every US company given licence to extract oil from Iraq was/is a Bush Jnr/Snr supporter.
Don't be Brainwashed by the human rights/weapons of mass destruction nonsence. A smoke screen to disguise the true reason.
It's written into the American constitution that they can go to war with any country on the planet who threaten America. That threat doesn't have to be hostile. If America ran out of milk producing cows, technically they could forceably invade, say France, and take all their cows.
World oil shortages and America's appetite for oil means Iraq was a target due to the oil fields it has. That is also the reason Iran keeps getting mentioned. Another oil rich nation.
You may be interested to know that every US company given licence to extract oil from Iraq was/is a Bush Jnr/Snr supporter.
Don't be Brainwashed by the human rights/weapons of mass destruction nonsence. A smoke screen to disguise the true reason.
You're not as one dimensional as some of your other posts would suggest. Not only is Bush supported by huge petrochemical conglomerates, he has a lot of them in his cabinet. This is what dictates his foreign policy.
04 June 2008, 07:48 PM
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But if it was all about oil, then why is the price sky-high and projected to be for some while, and why is Iraq oil production still so low. America doesn't need to invade anyone for oil, it has huge reserves in Alaska.
I'm not saying that it wasn't a factor, but there were lots of other reason (some good) for getting rid of Saddam
04 June 2008, 07:57 PM
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So you're saying invading Iraq had nothing to do with oil?
It's written into the American constitution that they can go to war with any country on the planet who threaten America. That threat doesn't have to be hostile. If America ran out of milk producing cows, technically they could forceably invade, say France, and take all their cows.
It's written into the American constitution that they can go to war with any country on the planet who threaten America. That threat doesn't have to be hostile. If America ran out of milk producing cows, technically they could forceably invade, say France, and take all their cows.
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
World oil shortages and America's appetite for oil means Iraq was a target due to the oil fields it has.
You may be interested to know that every US company given licence to extract oil from Iraq was/is a Bush Jnr/Snr supporter.
Don't be Brainwashed by the human rights/weapons of mass destruction nonsence. A smoke screen to disguise the true reason.
04 June 2008, 10:27 PM
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I hope he wins. He is a breath of fresh air and one of the finest speech writers and makers i have ever heard.
Just read/watch this to see what i mean
Obama Race Speech: Read The Full Text - Politics on The Huffington Post
No British Politician has been anywhere near that good in the last 30 years.
Just read/watch this to see what i mean
Obama Race Speech: Read The Full Text - Politics on The Huffington Post
No British Politician has been anywhere near that good in the last 30 years.
05 June 2008, 01:54 PM
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In all truth, I don't think we are qualified to say whether he would be a good president or not. We just don't know enough about him or how his policies would affect our own country. He is a good speech maker alright and can carry a crowd with him very successfully. That is important of course. Don't know what his policies really are.
The fact that he is black is of no sigificance to me personally, but it certainly will be to a very large part of the USA.
I certainly prefer him as a presidential candidate since I would not trust a Clinton as far as I can spit!
Don't know all that much about MCain either except that he is an experienced man with a good background.
I certainly hope we don't see another con job by the Bush family in Florida this time so that they can keep the Republicans in power.
Les
The fact that he is black is of no sigificance to me personally, but it certainly will be to a very large part of the USA.
I certainly prefer him as a presidential candidate since I would not trust a Clinton as far as I can spit!
Don't know all that much about MCain either except that he is an experienced man with a good background.
I certainly hope we don't see another con job by the Bush family in Florida this time so that they can keep the Republicans in power.
Les
05 June 2008, 02:23 PM
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Quote: Martin2005
"I suspect the only reason you bothered to contribute to this thread was to have a pop at me, you've certainly not added anything to the discussion"
On the contrary, I raised the point that I thought that if Obama wins, it will be because he is the best candidate, rather than because he is black.
Given that the original point you made was about the message America is sending to the world by electing a black president, how is this "not adding anything to the discussion"?
"I suspect the only reason you bothered to contribute to this thread was to have a pop at me, you've certainly not added anything to the discussion"
On the contrary, I raised the point that I thought that if Obama wins, it will be because he is the best candidate, rather than because he is black.
Given that the original point you made was about the message America is sending to the world by electing a black president, how is this "not adding anything to the discussion"?
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