Steve vRS

Quite right Matt. They point to the fact that IF they still worked for shell they would be on £46k now. In my opinion this is a rather poor basis for negotiation. IF I hadn't been made redundant from my last job 3 years ago, I could have been promoted and be on £XX000 per year now.

Do you think my current employer would agree with my logic and give me a pay rise?

Steve

Coffin Dodger

Just filled up to do my bit for the panic buying crew. In my defence I do have a 160 mile trip to do tonight and it was nearly empty but normally I'd have waited until I was on my way home from w**k.

Hardly any queue though (Morrisons)

Leslie

They are being paid more than I was at work, with quite a few qualifications too.

When they get their pay rise, I sense a "Summer of Discontent" to follow. I remember the Winter one pretty well too. That did not do Labour much good either!

Les

PetesDad

Maybe, Les ..... but you retired 20 years ago

New_scooby_04

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To be fair it's easy to make any job seem over-paid by putting in the context of another job about which there is general agreement that pay is too low for the work undertaken e.g. Nurses. I think you have to look at the job itself. Requsite skills and qualifications are two very important factors, but not the only ones e.g. responsibilities, hazards, type of shifts sociable/unsociable etc

Personally, without moaning about how much I get paid relative to them, I think 39k is more than enough. Yes it is a responsibility; they are carrying a hazardous substance. How much to bus drivers earn working similar hours? They are responsible for the lives of all on board and, unlike petrol, human cargo is much more stressful and distracting etc..

Ns04

lozgti

[quote=DYK;.Your basically driving around with a bomb that could go off if you get something wrong.[/quote]

Concentrates the mind I suppose but most truckers are pretty competent drivers all with their own worries if their load spews across a motorway.Loads of cars potentially involved in a pile up

In fact,be interesting to see a comparison of 'normal' truck load accidents compared to fuel tanker crashes (not in terms of aftermath but percentages)

shamrock

Do tanker drivers have to deal with the hazard of inhaling fumes from the tanker when loading and unloading at site?

Steve vRS

Not if their employer have carried out a COSHH assessment correctly and the driver is working to the procedures that arise from the assessment.

Steve

Chip

Tankers have baffle pltes fitted so displacement is not really a problem.

As for Buncefield, I know what happened there and it could happen again in the future unless changes are made to storage tanks. And that includes LNG as well where the consequences would be far,far worse than Buncefield.

Chip

Boro

iTrader: (1)

Theres now a 2nd strike planned.

BBC NEWS | Business | Tanker drivers plan second strike

The Fuel Protest Forum • Index page

Chip

Sainsbugs down the road from me had run out of fuel by 7pm last night.

Chip

NACRO

Smart move put barely competent drivers in charge of mobile bombs. Maybe they could hire some terrorists just to really top off your well thought out plan?

I support the tanker drivers to the hilt- sticking it to the man and striking a blow for the working classes. I like.

Leslie

I wish!

Les

Klaatu

I like trucking...I like trucking...I like trucking...and I like to truck...

MattN

Very true. not like those normal trucks that run on air. Every vehicle has the potential to be a bomb surely?

In fact how many tankers have exploded in the past say, 10 years?

They don't need to fly in some terrorists. 600 off them are holding the country to ransome already!!

On the plus side my pay review is ina few weeks, I'll see if I go on strike until shell pay me more (I don't work for shell either but it's worth a go).

NACRO

A truck that is brimmed full of petrol is more of a danger than one carrying teddy bears. Or is the logic of that a little hard for you to follow?

Your comments comparing the drivers to terrorists are of course, beneath contempt.

As for you going on strike for better pay and conditions then good luck to you, more people should do it.

DCI Gene Hunt

........ getting run over by a truck load of teddy bears doesn't mean it wont hurt

kingofturds

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How do you know, have you ever been run over by a truck load of teddy bears?

MattN

A lorry carrying teddy bears will still require fuel, in an accident this fuel is just as dangerous as that in a tanker. If this lorry crashes it has just as much chance of injuring someone than a lorry full of fuel.

So should all the forecourts strike as well, or in fact how about everyone in the fuel supply chain strike as Shell making money effects them all?

If they were being offered peanuts I'd have more sympathy but a 4k pay rise is pretty good i'd say. All the arguements I've heard are that IF they worked for Shell they'd earn more so they want Shell a company they DO NOT work for the step in, simply becasue Shell are making big money.

kingofturds

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A lorry carrying a few hundred litres of diesel and some teddy bears Is a lot less likely to blow up than a lorry carrying 30000 litres of high octane petrol.

Leslie

I remember a bloke like you some years ago. They called him "Red Ken". He did his best to ruin the economy too.

Les

NACRO

Aren't you thinking of 'Red Robbo' ? He didn't do his best to ruin the economy either, although people with a very limited and simplistic view of the economic and political situation of the time like to think so.

'Red Ken' is the ex-major of London and a nasty self serving individual.

As for the individuals arguing on this thread that a tanker full of fuel doesn't represent a greater hazard or that just because they are too scared to stand up for themselves others shouldn't, well, let's just say I think you're thinking as clearly as old Les here.

DCI Gene Hunt

....... nibble, nibble

J4CKO

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Of course a tanker full of fuel is more hazardous, but they already get paid more than other drivers to cover the potential risk, they have special training to cover and mitigate that risk.

My car is staying at home as long as possible, will bike into work, nothing to do with this, just the general pressure not to use the car, I mean, if you can get some Diesel is £1.33 a litre anyway.

I do sympathise with those that rely totally on their cars to get to work, I hope employers will bear this situation in mind when people start not turning up.

Makes you wonder though, if everyone went back to a non car reliant existence, ok its not plausible but how would we be taxed, VED licences for push bikes, eventually anti Mountain bike sentiment would creep in and people would start going on about using Mountain bikes for the school run, nearest it sees to a Mountain is the kerb outside school etc etc, would we then have to go onto smaller more efficient bikes, eventually being taxed for walking in chunkier than average footwear ?

Wish

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Lazy work shy leather ***** ....... If they don't like what they are being offered drive an HGV somewhere else for "LESS" money.

They deserve no sympathy at all .... NONE!

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

Sorry are you an HGV driver, with your hazardous load certificate then? I would love to know how many people on here slagging of these drivers actually own a hgv license

I have posted light hearted comments on this thread up until now, but the ignorant arsed posts on here have made my blood boil The opinion that driving a petrol tanker is a easy unskilled job is posted by non HGV license holders I can guarantee.

My Dad drove for esso up until 1988 and it was a minefield driving around with 20000 litres plus of fuel sloshing around with your average retard driver even back then, if some idiot cut him up even if he braked the fuel did not, despite the baffles. And try driving your tanker in winter, it's so fecking easy !!!!!!!!!

Oh and they are earning around £32 k a year with a 48 hour week Not including waiting around for fill up's.

(rant over)

MattN

I'm saying all HGV's are dangerous!! of course if one does blow up it has the potential to cause greater damage but all HGV's carry a large amount of fuel so still has an inherant risk if crashed. Tanker drivers already earn more than a standard class 1 driver.

The arguement I'm raising is the logic that that should get WHATEVER they want just cos it's a tanker and Shell should foot the bill is nonsense!

So far the only arguement i've heard on here is tankers carry a greater risk of blowing up ergo the drivers need to be good, and should earn more which they are and they do. But that doesn't mean they should strike until Shell a company they don't work for steps in to the negotiations.

And I still can't find any news stories of tankers blowing up!

Anyway I've said my bit.

Hopefully it can all be resolved soon and we can find something else to argue about.

kingofturds

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??? so are you a HGV driver please tell me your profession so I know you are so SUPERSKILLED THAT YOU CANNOT BE REPLACED BY AN EU COUNTERPART!

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

Exactly! you have a highly dedicated team delivering our fuel Do a search the designated shell drivers are payed less than most petrol tanker drivers atm. What job do you do and how much do you get paid? You don't want to tellme. that is okay the media will make up a super high salary and we will be in uproar!

ukdave

My dads a class 1 driver has been for about 40 odd yrs and i can tell you theres no sympathy from alot of other hgv drivers,for about 17 yrs worked at a chemical company though werent in tankers were box trailers/curtainsiders where he carried sulphuric/hydrochloric/Nitric amongst other acids/solvents.

This were a long time ago but trust me reading through the hazchem safety data sheets back then were scary-most of the plastic containers/glass bottles were 5ltr-ish in plastic crates within a metal stillage/cage but occasionally would be just stacked on a wooden pallet/shrinkwrapped.

Back then the tanker drivers were always the highest paid however dont make the mistake of thinking tanker drivings the only dangerous HGV job theres alot of other drivers carrying dangerous chemicals that arent on what theyre on.

He`s been out of the chemical game a while now though it just werent worth it after a while, bk then were paid well however since he`s been on a couple of supermarket jobs and now marks and spencer.

In the end all that`l happen is some logistics company will go in and undercut em an they`ll all be redundant cant believe they cant see it coming.