Martin2005

Pete

I think it's fair to say that even if we left the EU there is still next to no chance we'd being going back to executing people.

PeteBrant

No, not if previous parlimentary votes are anything to go by.

Mus

iTrader: (2)

HANG,SHOOT, PILL THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH, I BET ANY of u if the death sentence was back then people would think twice b4 comiting crimes like that.people of that sort dont deserve a 2nd chance in life instead of spending money paying for them in prison, we can use that money towards better schools, hospitals and may be less taxes.sory if that sounds harsh but wat ever happend to the days wen kids use to play in the streets with out going missing.u cant keep them locked up and u certinly cant always watch ur kids or follow them around.

Geezer

Presumably those days were when people were better educated and could write English coherently too?

It doesn't seem to hit home does it? The death penalty is not a deterrent

Geezer

Norman D. Landing

You mean it's not a deterrent for those who would commit the crimes regardless of the consequences? i.e Mentally ill people?

Martin2005

No it's not a detterent FULL STOP

mightyyid

I think it would be some minor element of deterrent in some cases, but agree in the majority of cases it is no deterrent at all.

That said, I still maintain that if someone committed the crime willingly and of sound mind, and the DNA proof is there, then they deserve to die.

If their families do not like it, tough. Bottom line is they chose a certain course of action, and they pay the price.

The Zohan

You and others keep saying this, where is the proof, please do not quote me the likes of the US situation - US is not relevant we are not the USof A, not yet!

I for one have worked in countires which have harsh penalties for such crimes, harsh penalties generally and i felt a lot safer and with much less crime than some countries such as the UK!

The threat of nasty punishments will deterr some, not all, some people will nopt change - mentally ill for example. I challenge you to prove otherwise or please stop with this "No, it is not a deterrant full stop" line

Martin2005

How can the US example not be relevant but your unnamed 'countries' be relevant??

The truth is that the US is the ONLY relevant example, being the ONLY open western democracy that has the death penalty (which in itself should tell you something)

Broadly countries that have the death penalty (excluding the US)tend to be either, dictatorships, theorocracies or totalitarian in nature, hardly a model we should be following, especially as that would make you look like a big fat hypocrit given all the fuss you made about 42 day detention!

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

The reason people use the US as an example is exactly for the reason Martin has explained, it's the only Western area with such punishment, and it's not exactly preventing murders etc. there. As far as any comparisons can go, we use the society closest to our own, by way of behaviour and culture, and while the US is different on the whole to ours in some ways, it's the closest we can get to that have this punishment in place.

If people who committed the more serious of crimes actually gave any thought to the punishment they could recieve even now, most would probably not go ahead with them, yet they do. Most right minded people wouldn't want to risk spending a life of significant chunk of time in prison, yet take that risk, whether it be they don't think they'll get caught, or they don't even think about the consequences at all. Then you have those who are mental, who will not consider their actions. Ultimately in either case, even if there was a death penalty, this would most likely remain the same, and therefore only acts as punishment, not a deterant.

As others have said, I myself am all for making punishments harsher, even for what could be considered as lesser crimes (possibly in the hope that this can do something with at least some people, to nip their behaviour in the bud so to speak). However, no matter what punishments are in place, there will always be some sick ***** out there who will carry on, until caught, that's a sad fact of the world we live in.

Klaatu

It doesn't work! Never has and never will. People used to be hung, drawn and quatered, in front of the public, a public spectacle, it didn't deter.

pwhittle

but it's the old question - how do you know a conviction is 100% solid? Will jurors find people guilty if it means the death penalty?

I think anyone convited of rape should loose the right to their bollox, but again, it's easy to acuse someone of rape, and hard to defend.

If we had the death penalty, there would have to be appeals procedures, whcih means we'd have the situation as in America, where people can be on death row for longer than a 'life' sentance, costing the state millions in legal fees, so there's no real financial arguement.

Of course, if someone so much as stares at my daughter (which they do) I feel like caving their faces in...

Leslie

Far be it from me to accuse you of that Martin!

There are two major effects.

1. The murderer is no more. He has received his just deserts.

2. Those who might follow his example know very well that if they are caught at it, they will go the same way. ie a significant deterrent.

Pete Brant,

Thanks for the info-I had forgotten what we had finally found out between us.

Les

alloy

Eye for an eye, thats how justice should be served. If you are willing and capable to take a life yours should be taken without as much thought.

People die all the time thats a fact of life, however with the increase in violent crime within our own country i certainly feel we should some form of capital punishment to deter this pond life from commiting these grave acts of inconsiderate violence or unsocialble acts of breaching human privacy and rights.

I for one am sick of my tax money paying for scum to sit there in their jail cell watching the tv, being fed and gettin their jollies in the shower room.

Geezer

Blimey, its like a stuck record, it's not a deterrent!

Murders are committed for few reasons, quite often in the heat of the moment, when consequences are not relevant. Manslaughter, also counted in the murder figures, obviously the intention was not to kill, so it would not have been a deterrent there either.

What else have we got? Well, there's intended murder like professional hits, or people trying to snub out partners for insurance or affairs. Obviously a hit is still gonna happen, and people were still killing their partners for all sorts of reasons when we had the death penalty, so it doen't really look like it would work for them either.

What's left? Oh yes, mentally ill people. Enough said I think.

And for those ridiculous statements about it being "tough" on the family of the executed person, let's hope your beloved son/daughter/mother etc. is wrongly convicted on two counts eh?

Saying the murderer should think of the consequences is true, but then so should society, otherwise we are no worse than the murderer themselves. Inflicting suffering on innocent people is just wrong, but even worse is not considering the consequences of executing an innocent person.

Like Pete Brant said though, it is a moot point, it will never return thankfully. So there

Geezer

Martin2005

I think you need to start reading a different news paper matey.

Why not kill all criminals and save taxes on prisons altogether?

alloy

nail on the head there!

it was a broad generalisation but with the murders that go on and the knife crime rates soaring a proper deterrent needs to be put in place to stop these kids from slicking their hair back and putting their wallet in their inside pocket next to their "blade" and heading out their front door

jails are over crowded, because doing time seems to be like butlins for criminals, i've had enough of the scum in this country.

Martin2005

I think we all know we have HUGE social and criminal problems in this country. I'm far from convinced that killing people is the answer though. I believe that will just spiral things further downwards, afterall violence breeds violence.

phil_wrx

iTrader: (2)

the big problem is that if someone kidnaps a child and rapes him or her and he knows he will get the death penalty then in all likely hood he will kill the only witness around(the child), i think this is why america has stopped executing these sick b"£$ards