WRX v STi (please help)...
03 July 2008, 01:03 PM
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Hi all, read this post with interest as when I bought my WRX earlier in the year fuel consumption was (and still is) an issue! I really wanted something a bit funky and after looking at a Focus ST and a Seat leon FR thought sod it and drove straight to my local scoob dealer. The result, is that two weeks later I was the proud owner of a 55reg WRX with the PPP fitted (approx 260bhp) I have since made a few modifications and am waiting on a remap to up the power to somewhere close to 300bhp, but so far I have not noted any difference in my MPG.
Basically I travel 200 miles a week to work, which is a 20 mile run up the motorway each way. I fill up once a week, which is about £60. I average 250 miles per tank, mainly motorway plodding with a bit of playtime. If I have a lot of playtime the least amount I have had is 200 miles (now I expect you lot will tell me I aint driving hard enough
) The most I have ever had is 280 miles which covered a lot more motorway miles.
I justified it to myself as in my previous car (which was a feeble MG ZR) I was using £45 worth of fuel a week, so to me an extra £10 or £15 a week on fuel for all the car I was getting seemed worth it.
So there we go, my 2pence worth. I love my scoob, the rising cost of fuel is a worry though but I aint giving her up yet
Basically I travel 200 miles a week to work, which is a 20 mile run up the motorway each way. I fill up once a week, which is about £60. I average 250 miles per tank, mainly motorway plodding with a bit of playtime. If I have a lot of playtime the least amount I have had is 200 miles (now I expect you lot will tell me I aint driving hard enough
) The most I have ever had is 280 miles which covered a lot more motorway miles.I justified it to myself as in my previous car (which was a feeble MG ZR) I was using £45 worth of fuel a week, so to me an extra £10 or £15 a week on fuel for all the car I was getting seemed worth it.
So there we go, my 2pence worth. I love my scoob, the rising cost of fuel is a worry though but I aint giving her up yet
03 July 2008, 03:19 PM
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The "it's only an extra 15 quid a week" argument is an interesting one. I can totally understand why it seems so logical. I, on the other hand, considered an extra £15 per week on top of an already expensive £50 per week to be a step too far. Horses for courses.
Can't resist saying this because it's a fuel consumption thread and I say it on all of them. STI = 250 miles for 60 quid. My Civic diesel = 750 miles for 60 quid. Or looking at it another way, my car is depreciation free compared to an STI. Nice
Can't resist saying this because it's a fuel consumption thread and I say it on all of them. STI = 250 miles for 60 quid. My Civic diesel = 750 miles for 60 quid. Or looking at it another way, my car is depreciation free compared to an STI. Nice
03 July 2008, 03:24 PM
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indeed Blueblaster. the ironic thing is my missus drive a seat diesel (600 miles per tank) and she only commutes 2 miles to work!! But because its a company car she wont swap, unless I have a meeting to go to far away then she lets me use her car and she walks to work
I have insured her on my scoob but she is scared to drive it, that is I think she is more scared of me worrying about her scratching it than all the power
I have insured her on my scoob but she is scared to drive it, that is I think she is more scared of me worrying about her scratching it than all the power
03 July 2008, 03:38 PM
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There seems there are so many variants between the fuel figures and I guess this all comes down to whether I will be going for a 221bhp, 265bhp or 305bhp.
So if we are talking about a standard car (no remapping at all) and driving spiritedly on occasions am I right in thinking the below is correct:
WRX = 221bhp = Normal Unleaded = 250ish miles from £60 fill up
STi = 265bhp = Normal Unleaded = 200ish miles from £60 fill up
STi PPP = 305bhp = Normal Unleaded = 180ish miles from £60 fill up
Another question for someone who has experience both the CTR and WRX/STi - is there much difference in power output? I mean is the Scooby noticeably quicker than a CTR?
So if we are talking about a standard car (no remapping at all) and driving spiritedly on occasions am I right in thinking the below is correct:
WRX = 221bhp = Normal Unleaded = 250ish miles from £60 fill up
STi = 265bhp = Normal Unleaded = 200ish miles from £60 fill up
STi PPP = 305bhp = Normal Unleaded = 180ish miles from £60 fill up
Another question for someone who has experience both the CTR and WRX/STi - is there much difference in power output? I mean is the Scooby noticeably quicker than a CTR?
. However when I compare the ITR to my STI and EVO for fun than the ITR wins hands down and its very frugal petrol wise compared to the other two.
03 July 2008, 04:43 PM
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Well I have decided my next car will either be a Subaru Impreza which will replace the Honda Civic Type-R I currently have. The fact that it has four doors pleases the wife plus I was sick and tired of keeping clean the black paintwork and the fact that it is so soft that it has new swirlmarks after each wash (trivial I know but something that got my goat).
Okay. So now the debate begins - do I go for a WRX or STi? I have a budget of £8.5 and would like a 2003 onwards car (not the bug-eye). I am happy with reasonably high mileage cars (65,000 miles is fine) plus I want something that is standard as possible.
The only thing that scares me is the running costs. Don't worry - I have had people telling me not to buy a Scooby if I am scared of the running costs but I am happy shelling out on regular servicing and tyre bills. It's the fuel bills I am a little wary of.
Currently I get the following in my CTR and would ideally love it if some of you owners could post a similar thing regarding your WRX's and STi's:
260 miles to a £50 tank of normal unleaded (town driving)
325 miles to a £50 tank of normal unleaded (motorway driving)
So what I really need to know is what you peeps get in the Scooby. I don't want MPG figures but just a breakdown like above so I can compare the fuel consumption more easily.
Many thanks for all the help.
Okay. So now the debate begins - do I go for a WRX or STi? I have a budget of £8.5 and would like a 2003 onwards car (not the bug-eye). I am happy with reasonably high mileage cars (65,000 miles is fine) plus I want something that is standard as possible.
The only thing that scares me is the running costs. Don't worry - I have had people telling me not to buy a Scooby if I am scared of the running costs but I am happy shelling out on regular servicing and tyre bills. It's the fuel bills I am a little wary of.
Currently I get the following in my CTR and would ideally love it if some of you owners could post a similar thing regarding your WRX's and STi's:
260 miles to a £50 tank of normal unleaded (town driving)
325 miles to a £50 tank of normal unleaded (motorway driving)
So what I really need to know is what you peeps get in the Scooby. I don't want MPG figures but just a breakdown like above so I can compare the fuel consumption more easily.
Many thanks for all the help.
I'm lucky to see 180miles from a tank mixed conditions.
A mate recently sold his sti9 as he couldnt warrent 18MPG, its just scary tbh i can easily put £100 in just to cover a weekend. God help you if you run it as an everyday car.
03 July 2008, 05:03 PM
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Cobra, I had a CTR for two years and I'm still active on the CTROC. The CTR is quick but the WRX and STI are in a different league. If you're concerned about fuel and MPG then you do not want an Impreza. I averaged around 300 miles in my CTR and I get around 280 to 300 in my STI but the STI has roughly a 10% bigger tank. You will spend more on fuel, lets say that. However I did get 380 from a tank on the motorway which still only works out at 30mpg. Servicing will be roughly the same if not cheaper than Honda.
I created a simple little spreadsheet to tell you how much you're going to spend. FYI you'll get about 23mpg from an Impreza and 29 in a CTR.
Get the sheet from: http://www.exorsyst.co.uk/carcosts.xls
PM if you get stuck
I created a simple little spreadsheet to tell you how much you're going to spend. FYI you'll get about 23mpg from an Impreza and 29 in a CTR.
Get the sheet from: http://www.exorsyst.co.uk/carcosts.xls
PM if you get stuck
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03 July 2008, 05:42 PM
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Some of you need to stop moaning about MPG. You guys drive sports cars.
Fast Car = Drinks more fuel
Fast Car = Drinks more fuel
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03 July 2008, 05:46 PM
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The CTR is quick but the WRX and STI are in a different league.
03 July 2008, 06:32 PM
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Certainly the STI but as far as all around ability for getting from A to B pronto the WRX takes it from the CTR. That's my opinion from driving the two. On a straight road there is very little in it between the Civic and the WRX.
03 July 2008, 08:17 PM
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I posted something on this a few weeks back asking for miles from a tank, etc.
Well I have just started a job that I have to commute 150 miles a day (75 miles each way on longest route or 130 on shortest route) and tested out the fuel consumption. I can get 330 - 350 miles from a full tank and it's got 375bhp!!! See my profile
What I have got now is an avcr boost controller and when I'm going to go on the motorway which is about 90%+ of my journey I put the setting in 'B' mode which is set for low boost. So basically it's like I'm driving a 2 litre low or non turbo car. MY car currently has 40,000 miles and is my53 so is like 20,000 miles off it's 'average' mileage limit. I will probably hit this near Christmas (assuming I'm still doing this journey).
A few things may come to mind like why not run two cars but Ive checked out the figures and to buy a reasonable second hand car that will be reliable and give me a good 60mpg (as scooby doing c30mpg). Is not worth it when you include two insurances, mot, vehicle tax, etc.
I have got the car just how I want it so I figure in a couple of years when engine goes I'll go for a 2.5 lump as that will be cheaper than getting a new car.
Well I have just started a job that I have to commute 150 miles a day (75 miles each way on longest route or 130 on shortest route) and tested out the fuel consumption. I can get 330 - 350 miles from a full tank and it's got 375bhp!!! See my profile
What I have got now is an avcr boost controller and when I'm going to go on the motorway which is about 90%+ of my journey I put the setting in 'B' mode which is set for low boost. So basically it's like I'm driving a 2 litre low or non turbo car. MY car currently has 40,000 miles and is my53 so is like 20,000 miles off it's 'average' mileage limit. I will probably hit this near Christmas (assuming I'm still doing this journey).
A few things may come to mind like why not run two cars but Ive checked out the figures and to buy a reasonable second hand car that will be reliable and give me a good 60mpg (as scooby doing c30mpg). Is not worth it when you include two insurances, mot, vehicle tax, etc.
I have got the car just how I want it so I figure in a couple of years when engine goes I'll go for a 2.5 lump as that will be cheaper than getting a new car.
03 July 2008, 08:36 PM
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Interesting thread, but I would say you seem to have convinced yourself to buy a WRX on running costs alone, which whilst it is good you are realist it is a strange equation to base buying an Impreza on.
The WRX and the STI in standard form are two very different animals. Not knocking the WRX but it is not set up like the STI to be the top of the range "fast" edition. Think CTR and Civic Sport (sorry, I'm not a Honda man but you get my drift).
Test drive both and you will see what I mean. The WRX is meant to be a quick saloon with comfort partially in mind. The STI is the take no prisoners fast saloon, purely about speed and handling.
The WRX and the STI in standard form are two very different animals. Not knocking the WRX but it is not set up like the STI to be the top of the range "fast" edition. Think CTR and Civic Sport (sorry, I'm not a Honda man but you get my drift).
Test drive both and you will see what I mean. The WRX is meant to be a quick saloon with comfort partially in mind. The STI is the take no prisoners fast saloon, purely about speed and handling.
03 July 2008, 10:42 PM
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I can get 330 - 350 miles from a full tank and it's got 375bhp!!! See my profile
What I have got now is an avcr boost controller and when I'm going to go on the motorway which is about 90%+ of my journey I put the setting in 'B' mode which is set for low boost. So basically it's like I'm driving a 2 litre low or non turbo car. MY car currently has 40,000 miles and is my53 so is like 20,000 miles off it's 'average' mileage limit. I will probably hit this near Christmas (assuming I'm still doing this journey).
Can you set it to be lower than factory boost then? i.e. if comes at 1.0 bar from the factory can you lower it to 0.1 bar of boost using the avcr?
I can get 330 - 350 miles from a full tank and it's got 375bhp!!! See my profile
What I have got now is an avcr boost controller and when I'm going to go on the motorway which is about 90%+ of my journey I put the setting in 'B' mode which is set for low boost. So basically it's like I'm driving a 2 litre low or non turbo car. MY car currently has 40,000 miles and is my53 so is like 20,000 miles off it's 'average' mileage limit. I will probably hit this near Christmas (assuming I'm still doing this journey).
Can you set it to be lower than factory boost then? i.e. if comes at 1.0 bar from the factory can you lower it to 0.1 bar of boost using the avcr?
04 July 2008, 10:42 AM
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Interesting thread, but I would say you seem to have convinced yourself to buy a WRX on running costs alone, which whilst it is good you are realist it is a strange equation to base buying an Impreza on.
The WRX and the STI in standard form are two very different animals. Not knocking the WRX but it is not set up like the STI to be the top of the range "fast" edition. Think CTR and Civic Sport (sorry, I'm not a Honda man but you get my drift).
Test drive both and you will see what I mean. The WRX is meant to be a quick saloon with comfort partially in mind. The STI is the take no prisoners fast saloon, purely about speed and handling.
The WRX and the STI in standard form are two very different animals. Not knocking the WRX but it is not set up like the STI to be the top of the range "fast" edition. Think CTR and Civic Sport (sorry, I'm not a Honda man but you get my drift).
Test drive both and you will see what I mean. The WRX is meant to be a quick saloon with comfort partially in mind. The STI is the take no prisoners fast saloon, purely about speed and handling.
I wish I'd done a bit more homework and bought an STI rather than a WRX now - nevermind though with a few tweaks my WRX will soon be up to 300bhp and a few handling mods should make all the difference
04 July 2008, 10:57 AM
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Over the long term you will find the STi the better buy. I had a wrx and threw thousands at it to try and make it better, then gave up and bought the STI. Totally different car, already can take heavy mods out of the box, which being honest everyone does start to upgrade after a while.
If you are worried about fuel costs then neither the wrx or sti are for you.
If you buy a car like this you buy for its capability and not if you have to worry about costs.
If you are worried about fuel costs then neither the wrx or sti are for you.
If you buy a car like this you buy for its capability and not if you have to worry about costs.
04 July 2008, 11:15 AM
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Another 300 bhp and a strut brace = STI post !
I know I'm biased but....
Brakes, suspension, gearbox, diffs, and all the other parts add to the STI experience.
A WRX is a nice comfy, quick saloon, but the STI is a different animal, the WRX fuel consumption is a bonus, if you do high mileage, I'm lucky and only do 6500 miles a year.
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I know I'm biased but....
Brakes, suspension, gearbox, diffs, and all the other parts add to the STI experience.
A WRX is a nice comfy, quick saloon, but the STI is a different animal, the WRX fuel consumption is a bonus, if you do high mileage, I'm lucky and only do 6500 miles a year.
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04 July 2008, 12:01 PM
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ah right - didn't realise there are so many different parts between the two.
I'm still very happy with my car - goes faster and handles better than anything I have owned before!
re: mpg - the cost at the moment is not an issue, i bought the car for speed and fun! if it goes up to £2 a litre then maybe
I'm still very happy with my car - goes faster and handles better than anything I have owned before!
re: mpg - the cost at the moment is not an issue, i bought the car for speed and fun! if it goes up to £2 a litre then maybe
04 July 2008, 12:21 PM
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Agree. We didn't go in with our eyes closed did we? I just suck it up, rather like the car! If you want an Impreza, expect to spend a bit on fuel, tyres, insurance (not too bad for me), and servicing.
04 July 2008, 01:46 PM
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If you're worried about fuel economy, an Impreza (WRX or STi) is not for you.
Have you looked into the servicing costs too?
Cheap to buy, never cheap to run!
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Have you looked into the servicing costs too?
Cheap to buy, never cheap to run!
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Suppose it's down to the individual really but I like my WRX and at this moment in time it suits me better than an STI would. For an everyday car it's just what I wanted, quick, comphy and capable of storing the golf clubs in the boot. I think it's a great alrounder. The fact that it was cheaper than an STI to buy insure and tax and that it's comphier and more economical is just a bonus.
If I was to start frequenting the tracks then I agree, but realistically I might only ever do one or two (if that) so a WRX does me fine.
The fact that it was cheaper than an STI to buy insure and tax and that it's comphier and more economical is just a bonus. If I was to start frequenting the tracks then I agree, but realistically I might only ever do one or two (if that) so a WRX does me fine.
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Agreed the WRX has a place in the market (shame Subaru have stopped thinking that), but the STI is not designed as a track car, unless you buy and RA-R. It is a fast road car. It's just meant to feel a bit more "involved" than the WRX.
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Suppose it's down to the individual really but I like my WRX and at this moment in time it suits me better than an STI would. For an everyday car it's just what I wanted, quick, comphy and capable of storing the golf clubs in the boot. I think it's a great alrounder. The fact that it was cheaper than an STI to buy insure and tax and that it's comphier and more economical is just a bonus.
If I was to start frequenting the tracks then I agree, but realistically I might only ever do one or two (if that) so a WRX does me fine.
The fact that it was cheaper than an STI to buy insure and tax and that it's comphier and more economical is just a bonus. If I was to start frequenting the tracks then I agree, but realistically I might only ever do one or two (if that) so a WRX does me fine.
Having said all that I've now got a company car so given the lower mileages and the fact that it'll now be a weekend car I'd now prefer an STI Spec C.
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Haven't tried that but I guess I can and also set when it comes in, in the rev range, etc.
Its amazing the amount of things you try now to save cash lol. Will be getting a toll card, shell card (why didn't I get this earlier). May even car share and half the time I have to drive my car.
Its amazing the amount of things you try now to save cash lol. Will be getting a toll card, shell card (why didn't I get this earlier). May even car share and half the time I have to drive my car.
04 July 2008, 11:40 PM
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i had a ctr before i got the sti bout a year ago now...i promise you wont regret it......running costs aint too bad,not as bad as people say in my opninion...my theory is ...if you boot it...you fill it up...simple as that....
and its certainly quicker than a civic......
and its certainly quicker than a civic......
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The only advantage the STI has is that as a base to modify onto, it's a better starting point.
The number of six-speed VS ppg threads is proof enough, for a £4K bill I've got potentially 400+ bhp and the brakes, suspension, clutch and gearbox are all going to cope.... well maybe not the clutch !
Funnily the best value mod I made was a Whiteline rear ARB, my pal KojaK fitted one to his WRX and he's now got a part-time drift car, which he loves.... and 30 mpg. i dream of 30 mpg....
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The number of six-speed VS ppg threads is proof enough, for a £4K bill I've got potentially 400+ bhp and the brakes, suspension, clutch and gearbox are all going to cope.... well maybe not the clutch !
Funnily the best value mod I made was a Whiteline rear ARB, my pal KojaK fitted one to his WRX and he's now got a part-time drift car, which he loves.... and 30 mpg. i dream of 30 mpg....
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Newbie chips his 2penneth in..
i folks this is my first post, so hello to you all!!
ive been reading this thread with a lot of interest as fuel economy was one of my concerns with running a WRX. This is my first week so been behaving myself..
I stuck £50 last week and am on the last third of fuel with 225miles on the trip. This is my first week with the motor so dont know if Subarus have 'drop like a stone below half way' type gauges, but so far that seems quite reasurring. As for the remark that a gallon of super is £6..?? Locally its £1.05 a litre, i reckon thats about £4.20 ish..If i can get 260 miles a week i think thats okay (ish)..Time will tell.
My car is a 2000 classic with light mods..
ive been reading this thread with a lot of interest as fuel economy was one of my concerns with running a WRX. This is my first week so been behaving myself..
I stuck £50 last week and am on the last third of fuel with 225miles on the trip. This is my first week with the motor so dont know if Subarus have 'drop like a stone below half way' type gauges, but so far that seems quite reasurring. As for the remark that a gallon of super is £6..?? Locally its £1.05 a litre, i reckon thats about £4.20 ish..If i can get 260 miles a week i think thats okay (ish)..Time will tell.My car is a 2000 classic with light mods..
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