GC8

Sacked for what exactly?

worley

I've managed a lot of disciplinary cases in operational situations and know how to play it correctly. Remember, lot's of managers are never trained to deal with this including the most senior in the company.

Your GF has done the right thing and confronted the situation before it festers and offered a form of apology or the option of dealing with this through the correct channels. If her boss does not make a timely decision on how to deal with it, it can be construed as non-engagement and therefore creating a potentially stressful situation.

However, this is a personal matter and should only be for discussion between interested parties, she must not at this stage discuss the situation with other colleagues. The way she deals with it now is extremely important to the outcome.

If no progress is made before the weekend, may I suggest that during the weekend, she notes down certain incidents that have contributed towards this feeling of mal-content and be ready to constuctively provide this information in the event of a disciplinary enquiry being convened.

She must recieve notice of this in writing with a reasonable time period in which to reply to the complaint with any mitigation.

In my view it will be a slap on the wrists.


Nik

EddScott

Clearly for being rude and disrespectful to other work colleagues. making abusive comments behind someones back is bullying. Whether its verbal or written makes no difference.

Like I said, if it was the other way around she'd be taking the guy to court.

TelBoy

If it does just result in a slap on the wrist, she can count herself extremely fortunate in my opinion. I can't imagine that being the outcome where i work, for example. I can also imagine life being made pretty difficult for her if she's allowed to keep her job. Wouldn't want to be in that situation.

GC8

You couldnt sack her Edd, not in a properly run company, no matter how much it pissed you off. In a little tin pot company/dictatorship you can act as you please though: until the tribunal.

EddScott

Of course you could irrespective of the size of the company.

So I could go up to my boss call him a "Fat C***" to his face and not get the sack?

lozgti

Surely most bosses know what staff think of them,its just some confirmation in writing for him.

DCI Gene Hunt

I'm sure if they wanted to they could sack her, is it not seen as sexual harassment (emails containing offensive remarks) and in most companies that's deemed to be gross misconduct and therefore a sackable offence.

JimmyBFC

lol...fookin women , says it all really.

Tbh, she's fvcked up, she's gonna have to bend over and take the lashings.

classic Subaru Si

Many thanks for the advice Nik, to be honest she has been bullied for years, along with all the other female staff, I won't go in to detail but the last couple of weeks has been hell for her - the number of times I've just wanted to drive down and give him a hiding is a joke - every other night she comes home in tears, sleepless nights etc... Anyway, thanks again for the advice mate

lovinmescoob

classic Subaru Si, sounds like she might be better off out of this job if it's as bad as you say it is !!!!!

judgejules

Sounds like a planned "accident" to me

About time its brought out in the open, your misses should have raised it as an issue loooong before now and should have NOT been bad mouthing the boss outside the company.

If it had been raised and not resolved then it should have gone higher, but as they say hindsight is great.

J

GC8

I dont intend to argue with you Edd. Youre entitled to your opinion, although I am certain that you are incorrect and this is backed up by far too much HR experience (Id have avoided it all, had I been able).

Simon

DYK

It could be just Fate that the Email got sent to him,i mean if your GF boss is an ***,his got a right to know..And if your GF gets the boot,it may just well be the new start she needs..Ive called my boss all kinds of things to his face.ive called him a D1ckhead,last week he pissed me off so i went into the office and got him in a headlock.his response was calm down and have a cup of coffee..But then again i suppose every boss is different..ID just play it by ear..For **** sake,i just got in from work now decide to open a beer and have the widow open,now some fooking neighbour is playing money money money in a rich mans world song...

swampster

iTrader: (1)

People have been sacked for far less where I work in terms of breeching the company communications policy.

A lot depends on what the company has laid down (i.e in writing) as policy with regards to what the e-mail system can or can not be used for.

However in this case, I would say she would almost certainly be sacked where I work.. Gross Misconduct - simply swearing constitutes gross misconduct in some workplaces, Behaviour likely to bring company into disrepute, misuse of company assets, breech of communications policy, misuse of company time, abusive behaviour.. are just a few of the things she could face. Could also potentially face libel proceedings if there's anything attributable that's been written that's untrue.

jods

Your G/F is Toast - History. If the boss is an ar5ehole bully he isn't going to react well to the content of the email, He'll probably be smart enough to really put her thru the wringer for the next 3 months before she either quits with no payout / falls into all the traps he is gonna set for her that she'll be sacked for misconduct / incompetance etc etc or gets made redundant. (fyi statutory minimum is approx £280 redundo for each year employed which is all she'll get)

My advice would be to get some legal advice - "Stress brought on by years of bullying has finally taken it's toll" - all the sleepless nights etc etc.

Bullying is big business nowadays - and can result in **** off big payouts.

I think there is a link between earnings and the size of payout and fairly certain there is no upper limit in these cases.

Can she / you be arsed to fight the battle for the next 12 - 18 months?
Want a sacking on CV?

How many people does the company employ - any half decent sized company will have an HR Dept and those guys will probably be aware if the guy is a **** but can't do jack **** about it unless someone complains formally.

Someone close to me took on a Senior mgr bully at a large supermarket chain. Letter sent in to org by friend on thursday - Manager announced unexpected "Retirement" on Tuesday - It was that quick.

jods

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J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Depends whether they want to keep her, if she is good at what she does and would be difficult to replace with the associated costs of recruitment then she may get away with it, if not then it may be a way for them to get rid of her.

He needs to think why someone would be so upset to do that and take a look at his management style, I would be gutted if I found someone had said that about me.

If they do sack her, she needs to send a letter to the HR manager and explain why he is a ****, examples of his conduct, in fact she might be best warning him that this is what she will do and then he may think twice about making it formal (if he has not already) so a heart to heart with him would be good to set the scene, explaining that he may have to answer some awkward questions from his boss and HR about why his subordinates dislike him so much, he is a manager, his job is to manage people and he isnt doing it right. You cant be a boss and one of the lads, you dont have to be liked but being despised isnt a good way of doing it. Tell his wife that he has been boning every bird in the office

Might be a good chance to clear the air snf come to a better understanding, tell him what he has done to offend her and her colleagues, might also be a good chance to move away from the bullying w4nker.

MMT WRX

I would ring ACAS 08457 47 47 47 and get some proper advice.

Has your girlfriend ever made any formal representation regarding her boss's bullying.

Also, does it say anything at the bottom of their email's like this:

This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the
addressee only. If you are not the named recipient, you must not use,
disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute the contents of this communication.
If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then
delete this email from your system

TelBoy

Update?

PeteBrant

I'd probably sack her for gross incompetance. Would I want someone acting as General Manager of my company, who wrote a mail complaining about me and calling me all sorts of names, and then managed to somehow contrive to send said mail to me? What other mistakes is she making?

TelBoy

I like irony, me

PeteBrant

Did I mispell incompetence again? Man, good job I'm not a General Manager

classic Subaru Si

nothing has been said today, just ignoring her! Pete, she has run this company pretty much on her own for the last 4 years, and last year successfully merged the 2 companies together. Yes she did a stupid thing, but it wasn't without provocation! I really can't go in to detail, and to be honest it would bore the pants off you!! But like I say, nothing has been said..................yet!!

PeteBrant

Sorry Si, I wasn't being entirely serious

I am fairly hopeful for you (her) that it will blow over without much comment.

And if it does, then perhaps a written warning or similar.

classic Subaru Si

Sorry mate, just can't afford for her to lose her job at the minute - and lets face it, it doesn't look good on a CV!! I was just trying to say that she is one bright cookie, honest as hell, and works bloody hard! One mistake is all it takes though!! Lets hope a warning is on the cards and nothing more!

PeteBrant

Has she been to see HR? (If such a thing exists in the company)?

Or pehaps spoken to the boss in question?

I would be tempted to go into him and say "look I was having a very bad day and I let my frustrations get the better of me. I am truly sorry" etc.

I.e. be proactive and do something about it, rather than wait for something to happen

classic Subaru Si

Yeah she did, she went in right after she sent it and said whatever punishment you want to hand out just do it so we can move on! He just blanked her!

Spoon

The guy sounds like a complete túrd bucket. He is now struggling how to deal with this and so he resorts to ignoring a female wanting to at least talk things through. The guy makes women cry on a daily basis, he's a spineless pónce, not a good manager.

What your girlfriend did was simply a mistake, the content of the email sounds accurate from your description of events and no grown man would see it as anything other than a misplaced vent. Good on her I say.

Maybe he's evaluating his own behaviour/attitude now its been shown to him in print, after all he'll know that your girlfriends thoughts aren't alone.

Despite all his apparent hot air I think he really doesn't know what to do now and is actually behaving like a young boy who's not been picked for the school team.

Not helpful advice for your girlfriends situation I know, but I'm gladly not involved in any workplace namby pamby cr4p.

classic Subaru Si

This guy actually owns the company - he's well known in the trade as'the biggest kid in business' due to his lack of, well everything! It says something about the way this place is run, 4 women in the last month have handed their notice in, all have no other jobs to go to - they just want out! One of them has worked with him for nearly 18 years, and just cannot take it anymore!