Lee247

Can I borrow that please, will come in handy next time I get an infraction

stiscooby

I agree with you here....... I'm not too sure of the exact facts but just going by what I have seen on the news. I suspect the School has a "no jewellery" rule, period, which from memory my school had the same.

So regardless what the item of jewellery is for, rules are rules (for everyone) and everyone should stick to them regardless of your bloody religion or whatever crap people come out with.

If they want to wear these things showing off their religious beliefs etc (who really gives a ****) then p!ss off to another school where they are accepted.

It's like an english family going to one of their schools wearing a "jesus cross" or something similar, probably get locked up!

Don't like the rules then bugger off out of it.

Tam the bam

Send my sincerest apologies to Mr Beefy and any other Bulldogs who happen to be browsing SN tonight, I realise my comment would be insulting, and I understand why!

I'll rephrase it 'she has a face like a Pigs ****, who's been wallowing in mud all day!'

Spyder550

Couldn't give a sh*t whether she wears jewelery or not. Long as all the kids get treated the same, whether they subscribe to some type of God squad or not.
Perhaps all the parents should send their kids back to that school in September with jewelery on to see how level the playing field is

lozgti

PC idiots should be sacked immediately and sent to another country

If I was the headmaster though the only things that would bother me would be:

The bunch of scruffy,shirts out,ties not done up,pathetic 'hair do's',no trainers at school etc etc etc

Why are most kids such scruffy,dirty looking unkempt bags of old washing nowadays?

And no,I don't care if they are clever or not and their 'appearance does not affect their ability to learn'.It affects the rest of their life in terms of getting a job etc.Once a dirty bag of washing who doesn't know how to polish their own shoes,always a lazy scrubber.

Oh,the bangle would be ok if religious symbol.Plastic eejut bracelets and Madonna kabbalahawalah carp wouldn't be

PeteBrant

So, just so I have this clear. The only thing that you should concentrate on at school, is looking smart. That's it, because in your own words as a head master you don't care if they're clever.



I think you may have misunderstood the reason for education.

Kids have *always* had wierd and wonderful har styles, some even combine that with not tucking thier shirt in on purpose! It's called fad and fashion, and unless you are 134, then I am almost certain you had certain fads and fashions when you went to school.

When I went, it was reversing your tie so that it was as skinny as you could get it, and wearing white socks and white trainers.

But, like most things, unfortunatly people grow out of it by the time they get to working by and large, and conform to dreary old suit and tie like the rest of us.

Personally I would welcome a bit more colour and interesting looks in the workplace.

OllyK

Does that extend to Sikh lads being able to have "kirpans" in school as well?

PeteBrant

I suspect many of them already do, many sikhs carry a miniture version of a kirpan to comply to religious requirements, whilst not being a perceived "risk" under any criminal acts (even though they are exempted).

And due to the fact that there have been precisely zero kirpan related incidents reported in schools, I would say it isn't a problem.

borderlinechris

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my pig, mr piggles has taken extreme offence to tams reference to her face looking like his **** wallowing in mud.. he would like to state he does not wallow in mud( as tam rudely accused him of) it is an expensive procedure of " soil readjustment" that he goes thru to keep looking young and healthy. he also wishes to state that he has max mosleys laywers number and is willing to use it.... (if only his fat f*****g hooves could hit the buttons on his moblie...)

mykp

What I dont get about "religious jewelry/clothing" does it make you a better christian, muslim, shikh or what ever religion? Does it make your faith stronger, better, bigger or more fanciful because you have a ring, bangle, cross, head dress?

Or is it just to point out you're of that religion? Surely if this is the case then why not just have a big arrow stuck to your head which says "I am a Shikh" and lets see how popular that is.

Agreed its stupid that this has got to the high court, but rules is rules. If the school has a no jewelry policy than that should apply to all, regardless of race, religion, colour or creed.

Utterly stupid, but I suppose thats everyones right to object and have your day in the high court!

PeteBrant

To be fair, Sikhs aren't a million miles away from that

lozgti

I'm a sprightly 99 with a penchant for side partings ,real beer and Spitfires

As to the thread (which I went a bit OT on) it is the fact that there is so much concern about upsetting other faiths when the other faiths actually don't give two hoots!

They are just going to school with their mates.This is why the people who thing of these things should be brought out of their offices and publically rotten egged

markGT

I think this case opens larger issues.

Lets face it (flame suit on) this girl is a child and therefore has been indoctorated in to her mothers/parents faith in the first place. I.e. she has had no say in the matter what she believes in, just what her mother has hammered in to her since she was a child. If her mother had told her that Gandalf the Grey was real since early childhood she would now believe that to be true and we would be reading about her right to carry a long wooden staff to school! As we are conditioned to believe in what grown ups say when we are children she is no different to millions of other children around the world.

I believe that there should be no religious instruction in schools and let kids make there own minds up when they are old enough. If they want to follow Christianity, Muslim religions etc then at least they can make that decision on their own and not be brain washed in to it by an adult!

PeteBrant

You could argue that applies to lots of things, not just religion. All sorts of opinions and prejudices are passed on from parents to children. Not just religions

However, lets looks explicitly at religious teachings. Almost all religions I know of, basically say "Be ace to each other" Now, that possibly isn't a particularly bad thing to be indoctrinated into.

I mean I'm not religious in any way shape or form, but lots of people are, and I certainly am not going to tell them how to bring up thier kids.
I think that kids should be taught a basic understanding of all mainstream religions to garner a better understanding and repsect. Not "instruction" as such, just a basic concept.

The Zohan

That is all fine and dandy until one get stolen and used or something happens whjere on is. Shhools must not be reactive more proactive. Knives no matter their ceremonial status are knives and could be used to harm other children.

It also sets a poor example, why should on child be allowed to carry a knife to school and another not just because of his religion - makes little sense.

I would not want my children to go to a school where some kids can carry knives fior whatever reason.

No knives in school - simple as that.

PeteBrant

I don't know if it happens to be honest Paul. I do know that many Sikhs carry 3cm versions. You would struggle to harm anyone with one.

I can see where you are coming from completely, but like I said, Sikhs have been attending schools here for decades. Can you ever remember there being a problem? It might be that they are explicitly banned from schools, it might be that they aren't - I really don't know.

Deep Singh

KOT, I find this post of yours very offensive to be honest. The term rag head is offensive, and if you are sure it isn't, the next time you see a sikh of your similar age and size call him a rag head. No? I didn't think so, so don't use terms behind the safety of a PC that you wouldn't in real life, its childish

Your knowledge of Sikh history is obviously very poor. I can't even be bothered to try and educate you on the matter but a quick google on sikhs+world war 2 will give you some indication as to the courage, moral fibre and loyalty (to Queen and country) of the Sikh people.

Sikh army regiment victoria cross

To try and sum us up in a way that you have is very childish and in fact I'm not sure its even true. I'm quite sure that bride burning was a Hindu thing.

Your post reveals you as a **** I'm afraid

The Zohan

Hio Pete,
TBH i do not think there has been such a problem with knife crime over the past decades, sure there have been problems although these days it seems to be becoming the norn. I never used or carried a knife, if i had the odd fight it would be with fists and feet not knives and guns. How thnigs have changed.

A 3cm knife will take out an eye or cut through an artery or cut a throat in the wrong hands. Have you seen what a stanley blade will do to a face...

Tis is not anti Sikh at all more anti knife in schools and the thing is that if knives are in a school then there is the possibility it could get used for harm.

The Zohan

I do doubt many would challenge the loyalty or courage of the Sikh solders during either WW, my history does not go back further than that.

What cases like this do is to cause divides and mistrust and bad feelings where there was none before and gives the likes of the BNP something to shout about which is a real problem IMHO.

If all kids from all religious backgrounds where allowed the same rights then all would be fine. However this is not the case.

lozgti

I find Sikhs to be perhaps the nicest/honest people I come across.

Don't know what it is about the religion or teachings,but I have never felt differently.Others(religions) leave a bit to be desired,including my own,Christianity

As to the reference to Rag heads,I always assumed that was a reference to the middle east? Probably totally wrong

PeteBrant

The problem is that individual schools have individual rules. The story you pointed to was a seperate school from the case with the Sikh bracelet.

I wouldn't agree that it is fair to say that there is a imbalance towards minority religion in schools - I think each case has to be taken seperately. It does not mean that all religions are not allowed the same rights, in general.

However, I think we are possibly approaching the point where the Government has to make a decision one way or the other and *all* State schools have to abide by it (Public/faith based schools would obviously make thier own choices).

Either we allow religious symbols or we don't. All or nothing.

markGT

I agree to some of your points above and it can be applied to a lot of things. Like ear rings, dyed hair and fashion etc. However how many wars, ethnic cleansing, slave driving etc have been done in the name of fashion and hair dying?

Your point on all religions you know that say be good to each other. Which ones, please direct me to them; its certainly not Christianity, Judaism or Islam. Let’s not forget that its one of your harmful religions that condoned that slave trade as God word for hundreds of years.

Of course our parents pour some if not all of their malice, opinions and prejudices in to their children. Some far worse than others and that is the problem that will never be solved. Many children grow up take what their parents have said and decide that is wrong I'm not going to be a racists etc. However children brought up in religious house holds hardly ever cast this off. They are told from an early age that if you don't praise god every Sunday then you are going to burn in hell for all eternity. As you can appreciate if this is what you have been told is the truth for the first 16 years of your life then I'm afraid its going to be very hard, if not impossible to shake off these made up stories.

Unfortunately this case is going to open the flood gates for all kinds of nutters.

PeteBrant

Well, they aren't *my * religions

The basic tennet of almost al religion is be good to you fellow man. Anyone can pick out a passage where it says " and lo you may pluck out the eye of children if they do not believe" or such like, but in practice, in rela life, the vast majority of religious people ar epeace loving, approachable friendly people.
I disagree. Why is it easy to shake off the influences of,say, racism, but not religion?

I know plenty of people that went to religious schools and had quite religious upbringing, some of them are relgious, some of them aren't. Some of them are dirty little minxs. But I don;t beleive that if you have a religious upbringing you are bound to be religious yourself.

Of course in certain cultures, religion is the cornerstone of that entire society. In those cases, yes, almost certainly those people will follos the tradition of thier people.

But you can see plenty of people that will almost certainly have religious parents not following that same devotion in a broadly secular society like the UK.
Why? Is something going to happen then? I mean are there going to all of a sudden be lots of mental religious people on the streets?

We went for decades before 9/11 where people wore religious items without any drama whatsoever.

Now all of the sudden it has become a hot potato, and what, it supposed to all of a sudden turn people into nutters?

No, if someone wants to wear a cross let them, if they want to wear a bangle, fine. .

Leslie

Quite ridiculous to go to all that because she wanted to wear that very plain bracelet. There could never have been anything offensive about it, just the same if someone wanted to wear a small crucifix.

It seems these days that some want to make a meal of a minor regulation just to show their own power or whatever. This black and white stuff is no way to go on. It is time they started to learn a bit more common sense and use these regulations as a guide instead of a dogma.

Les

Abdabz

And now, when said girl gets her bracelet caught on a door handle at school and it rips her hand off I bet her family sikh compensation from the LEA...

mwinter7

lol nice pun

WRX_Dazza

That fat biffer wants to **** off back to bongoland or wherever.

i'm from an indian background (catholic funnily enough) but my parents abide by the rules, speak english and made me the same as the next kids at school!!!

rules are rules.
we weren't allowed to wear jewellery at school for safety reasons and i'm guessing to generate some form of unity and equal among pupils...
yeah a few pikies had dirty shirts and a few casuals had button down collars, but generally all things were equal.

she probably couldn't get it off past her fat hand anyway!!!

its bollox really!!! waste of time....

hope the other kids get her over the bike sheds and rip into her!!! lol

Leslie

Yes of course "Rules are Rules". Just like what those nice traffic wardens say when your bumper is 1/2 an inch over the parking line!

Les

GC8WRX

As far as im concerned, its just another "ethnic minority" trying to change our rules!


Either take the damn thing off or find another school, dont waste everyones time and money going to court!

Im sick of this stuff, instead of blindly following your religion to the letter, when your in a country that has a different main religion, have a bit of give and take.
Does it really matter that much if some she cant wear her bracelet during school hours?

Whikle in a western country, maybe you should adopt some western values and spend some time enjoying yourself, rather than spending all your time praying to your god, or actively looking for reasons to be "insulted" all the ******* time!


To summise: Learn to chill out a bit or **** off! (preferably number 2)