Mankind to return to the moon?
31 July 2008, 11:38 AM
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Les, get your bloody facts right if you're going to continue to try and get even with me in your usual condescending way. I'm not asking everybody for proof of what they say, i'm asking for proof that man walked on the moon. Something they nor you can provide. Clear for you now? Christ.
31 July 2008, 12:13 PM
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NASA’s official explanation is that they used a tripod for the shots showing two astronauts at once with a technician at mission control on earth operating radio controls
31 July 2008, 12:22 PM
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31 July 2008, 12:32 PM
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Consider Mars is 34-247 million miles away and therefore at least delayed by 3 minutes, and yet we were able to remote control vehicles there. Suddenly working to a 1 second delay isn't an issue, indeed that's better than the delay my POS PC keyboard and screen have half the time.
31 July 2008, 12:44 PM
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Les, get your bloody facts right if you're going to continue to try and get even with me in your usual condescending way. I'm not asking everybody for proof of what they say, i'm asking for proof that man walked on the moon. Something they nor you can provide. Clear for you now? Christ.
The vast majority of your posts and the reasons behind them are crystal clear thanks.
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31 July 2008, 01:23 PM
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The moon is about 200K miles away, radiowaves travel at 186K miles per second, so about a 1 second delay.
Consider Mars is 34-247 million miles away and therefore at least delayed by 3 minutes, and yet we were able to remote control vehicles there. Suddenly working to a 1 second delay isn't an issue, indeed that's better than the delay my POS PC keyboard and screen have half the time.
Consider Mars is 34-247 million miles away and therefore at least delayed by 3 minutes, and yet we were able to remote control vehicles there. Suddenly working to a 1 second delay isn't an issue, indeed that's better than the delay my POS PC keyboard and screen have half the time.
31 July 2008, 01:27 PM
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The moon is about 200K miles away, radiowaves travel at 186K miles per second, so about a 1 second delay.
Consider Mars is 34-247 million miles away and therefore at least delayed by 3 minutes, and yet we were able to remote control vehicles there. Suddenly working to a 1 second delay isn't an issue, indeed that's better than the delay my POS PC keyboard and screen have half the time.
Consider Mars is 34-247 million miles away and therefore at least delayed by 3 minutes, and yet we were able to remote control vehicles there. Suddenly working to a 1 second delay isn't an issue, indeed that's better than the delay my POS PC keyboard and screen have half the time.
31 July 2008, 01:44 PM
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That applies whether you use an antenna built in 1930 or 2130.
Unless you can change the laws of physics, captain.
31 July 2008, 05:16 PM
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31 July 2008, 08:18 PM
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Every conspiracy that I have seen proposed has been debunked. They were all naive and ignorant too: 'wind blowing the flag' for instance.
31 July 2008, 08:20 PM
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How about: 'you cant see the stars'. No sh*t Sherlock! Just because you can see them out of the window in Deep Space 9, dont think that that qualifies your critique on moon photos......
31 July 2008, 10:53 PM
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Ok, here's my two penneth.
To say that the moon landings were faked is, IMHO, a complete and utter insult to the men who lost their lives, the marriages that were sacrificed and the families torn apart as a result of the time and unfaltering dedication that the members of the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo Space Programmes gave to ensure that man walked upon the moon.
To all you (insert your own choice of strong word here) who say it didn't happen, I say to you, have the ***** to go and ask the widows of the men who died, the wives who lost their loves because their husbands were spending more time at work than at home and to the kids whose lives would never be the same again because of what their dads did, whether or not the moon landings were fake. Go have the ***** to look those people in the eye and tell them that their loved one was lying as are they and then come back and say it didn't happen.
I know some smart **** will come and say that it's not possible because they may not be alive, or because they're in the US, but you get, I hope, my point.
These people sacrificed so much, some their lives and I cannot believe that some people continue to disrespect these heroes for all they did by perpetuating this crock of ****e!
Rant over!
To say that the moon landings were faked is, IMHO, a complete and utter insult to the men who lost their lives, the marriages that were sacrificed and the families torn apart as a result of the time and unfaltering dedication that the members of the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo Space Programmes gave to ensure that man walked upon the moon.
To all you (insert your own choice of strong word here) who say it didn't happen, I say to you, have the ***** to go and ask the widows of the men who died, the wives who lost their loves because their husbands were spending more time at work than at home and to the kids whose lives would never be the same again because of what their dads did, whether or not the moon landings were fake. Go have the ***** to look those people in the eye and tell them that their loved one was lying as are they and then come back and say it didn't happen.
I know some smart **** will come and say that it's not possible because they may not be alive, or because they're in the US, but you get, I hope, my point.
These people sacrificed so much, some their lives and I cannot believe that some people continue to disrespect these heroes for all they did by perpetuating this crock of ****e!
Rant over!
31 July 2008, 11:31 PM
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A valid conspiracy theory depends upon keeping the number of people that need to keep quiet to a minimal number of individuals at the heart of the conspiracy. These individuals all need to keep the secret without fail.
For example the plane that hit the Pentagon on 9/11 had a passanger list which was published. Employers are also listed. The people named on the list had funerals that were covered in local papers - including a group of kids from various named schools who were on a National Geographic Trip with their school. All easy to find with our friend Google.
The conspiracy theory nuts want us to believe there was no plane. However, for such a number of people all to be 'in on the conspiracy' is clearly quite ridiculous.
Back on topic: Obviously man has never been on the moon. I mean look at that flag
For example the plane that hit the Pentagon on 9/11 had a passanger list which was published. Employers are also listed. The people named on the list had funerals that were covered in local papers - including a group of kids from various named schools who were on a National Geographic Trip with their school. All easy to find with our friend Google.
The conspiracy theory nuts want us to believe there was no plane. However, for such a number of people all to be 'in on the conspiracy' is clearly quite ridiculous.
Back on topic: Obviously man has never been on the moon. I mean look at that flag
01 August 2008, 10:22 AM
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Rather than bringing back boring moon rock (I mean what kind of proof do you call that!), they should of brought back Elvis instead, that would shut the nutcase conspiracy theorists up for sure
01 August 2008, 02:17 PM
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Ok, here's my two penneth.
To say that the moon landings were faked is, IMHO, a complete and utter insult to the men who lost their lives, the marriages that were sacrificed and the families torn apart as a result of the time and unfaltering dedication that the members of the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo Space Programmes gave to ensure that man walked upon the moon.
To all you (insert your own choice of strong word here) who say it didn't happen, I say to you, have the ***** to go and ask the widows of the men who died, the wives who lost their loves because their husbands were spending more time at work than at home and to the kids whose lives would never be the same again because of what their dads did, whether or not the moon landings were fake. Go have the ***** to look those people in the eye and tell them that their loved one was lying as are they and then come back and say it didn't happen.
I know some smart **** will come and say that it's not possible because they may not be alive, or because they're in the US, but you get, I hope, my point.
These people sacrificed so much, some their lives and I cannot believe that some people continue to disrespect these heroes for all they did by perpetuating this crock of ****e!
Rant over!
To say that the moon landings were faked is, IMHO, a complete and utter insult to the men who lost their lives, the marriages that were sacrificed and the families torn apart as a result of the time and unfaltering dedication that the members of the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo Space Programmes gave to ensure that man walked upon the moon.
To all you (insert your own choice of strong word here) who say it didn't happen, I say to you, have the ***** to go and ask the widows of the men who died, the wives who lost their loves because their husbands were spending more time at work than at home and to the kids whose lives would never be the same again because of what their dads did, whether or not the moon landings were fake. Go have the ***** to look those people in the eye and tell them that their loved one was lying as are they and then come back and say it didn't happen.
I know some smart **** will come and say that it's not possible because they may not be alive, or because they're in the US, but you get, I hope, my point.
These people sacrificed so much, some their lives and I cannot believe that some people continue to disrespect these heroes for all they did by perpetuating this crock of ****e!
Rant over!
Les
01 August 2008, 02:27 PM
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No, not well said at all.
Ritchie, all very sentimental, very touching etc etc, but the moon doubters haven't done this to be disrespectful to anyone, believe it or not. Of course people's lives were lost, any major project of this magnitude will involve that, but please, please don't think that a government who has world superiority at stake would worry about a few deaths in order to come good on a global promise. Just in case you've missed one of the previous three times i've mentioned it, the astronauts integrity has to be the strongest evidence there is. That's the hardest part of this to challenge. Or put another way, the theories that they were brainwashed is the most far-fetched, to me at least.
Ritchie, all very sentimental, very touching etc etc, but the moon doubters haven't done this to be disrespectful to anyone, believe it or not. Of course people's lives were lost, any major project of this magnitude will involve that, but please, please don't think that a government who has world superiority at stake would worry about a few deaths in order to come good on a global promise. Just in case you've missed one of the previous three times i've mentioned it, the astronauts integrity has to be the strongest evidence there is. That's the hardest part of this to challenge. Or put another way, the theories that they were brainwashed is the most far-fetched, to me at least.
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No, not well said at all.
Ritchie, all very sentimental, very touching etc etc, but the moon doubters haven't done this to be disrespectful to anyone, believe it or not. Of course people's lives were lost, any major project of this magnitude will involve that, but please, please don't think that a government who has world superiority at stake would worry about a few deaths in order to come good on a global promise. Just in case you've missed one of the previous three times i've mentioned it, the astronauts integrity has to be the strongest evidence there is. That's the hardest part of this to challenge. Or put another way, the theories that they were brainwashed is the most far-fetched, to me at least.
Ritchie, all very sentimental, very touching etc etc, but the moon doubters haven't done this to be disrespectful to anyone, believe it or not. Of course people's lives were lost, any major project of this magnitude will involve that, but please, please don't think that a government who has world superiority at stake would worry about a few deaths in order to come good on a global promise. Just in case you've missed one of the previous three times i've mentioned it, the astronauts integrity has to be the strongest evidence there is. That's the hardest part of this to challenge. Or put another way, the theories that they were brainwashed is the most far-fetched, to me at least.
01 August 2008, 03:05 PM
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And I still think it was very well said. Pete Conrad did not seem like a person who had been brainwashed either!
I think it is shameful to attempt to impugne their integrity without a shred of proof of any kind!
Les
I think it is shameful to attempt to impugne their integrity without a shred of proof of any kind!
Les
01 August 2008, 03:08 PM
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What upsets me greatly about this thread is that it reminds me I was born before man set foot on the moon
.Gawd I'm getting on
(Though I reckon Tel will say that is true of everyone
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.Gawd I'm getting on(Though I reckon Tel will say that is true of everyone
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01 August 2008, 03:19 PM
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No, not well said at all.
Ritchie, all very sentimental, very touching etc etc, but the moon doubters haven't done this to be disrespectful to anyone, believe it or not. Of course people's lives were lost, any major project of this magnitude will involve that, but please, please don't think that a government who has world superiority at stake would worry about a few deaths in order to come good on a global promise. Just in case you've missed one of the previous three times i've mentioned it, the astronauts integrity has to be the strongest evidence there is. That's the hardest part of this to challenge. Or put another way, the theories that they were brainwashed is the most far-fetched, to me at least.
Ritchie, all very sentimental, very touching etc etc, but the moon doubters haven't done this to be disrespectful to anyone, believe it or not. Of course people's lives were lost, any major project of this magnitude will involve that, but please, please don't think that a government who has world superiority at stake would worry about a few deaths in order to come good on a global promise. Just in case you've missed one of the previous three times i've mentioned it, the astronauts integrity has to be the strongest evidence there is. That's the hardest part of this to challenge. Or put another way, the theories that they were brainwashed is the most far-fetched, to me at least.
), then empirical evidence is all that remains...
01 August 2008, 03:38 PM
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01 August 2008, 03:42 PM
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Ta.Suppose stress would do it.
Bigger than the average November 5th rocket!
01 August 2008, 03:51 PM
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No, just you
Thanks for not breaking my post down into a billion fragments, i can't tell you how refreshing that is
Si - i'd take lunar debris as incontrovertible proof. But if i never see it in my lifetime, so be it, i ain't particularly bothered either way!!
Les, take your comments about being snide or whatever and shove them, there's a good chap. If you can't grasp what i've been saying about astronaut integrity from the outset, then don't make yourself look like a fool again by suggesting there's any underyling agenda. There isn't. Ok? Good.
There, that's given the neg raters something else to get their teeth into.
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No, not well said at all.
Ritchie, all very sentimental, very touching etc etc, but the moon doubters haven't done this to be disrespectful to anyone, believe it or not. Of course people's lives were lost, any major project of this magnitude will involve that, but please, please don't think that a government who has world superiority at stake would worry about a few deaths in order to come good on a global promise. Just in case you've missed one of the previous three times i've mentioned it, the astronauts integrity has to be the strongest evidence there is. That's the hardest part of this to challenge. Or put another way, the theories that they were brainwashed is the most far-fetched, to me at least.
Ritchie, all very sentimental, very touching etc etc, but the moon doubters haven't done this to be disrespectful to anyone, believe it or not. Of course people's lives were lost, any major project of this magnitude will involve that, but please, please don't think that a government who has world superiority at stake would worry about a few deaths in order to come good on a global promise. Just in case you've missed one of the previous three times i've mentioned it, the astronauts integrity has to be the strongest evidence there is. That's the hardest part of this to challenge. Or put another way, the theories that they were brainwashed is the most far-fetched, to me at least.
Tom Hanks did a very long documentary series for HBO a couple of years back about the whole thing - very well worth a watch and very very informative. Recommended to anyone - believers and CT's alike.
Les - thank you.
01 August 2008, 04:24 PM
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Yes i get all that, Ritchie, but i'm not banging the CT drum as hard as some on here believe, or would like to believe. What i've said all along is that it could have been faked, and for that to have happened, the crews would either have had to be promised some ludicrously good payout for their families after death to keep quiet, or they were brainwashed etc etc. I'm not a stupid man despite all the evidence, and i know that's all very far-fetched, BUT the faint possibility of it being a cover-up does still exist.