FreeT

My grammar is bloody awfull - dint you think, and spelling!

mutant_matt

Seamus,In my post I said:I was comparing the standard MY00 to the MY01 (but admittedly, not back to back out of the box). Having said that, I don't think the "out of the box" comparison is a valid one due to what I said above aout the Geom as standard often being way out.....

An interesting comparison would be a back to back of a standard MY00 and MY01 once both had been "sorted" Geom wise by say, Powerstation.

Matt

blubs

LOL.........no, I had to go to Ford and have the car built around me. I've been in it since March 2000 (it smells a bit now though).

Dave T-S

Seamus
We drove two completely standard MY00's 150 miles or so to Listers; drove two completely standard MY01's 150 miles or so back....both me and Mrs T-S noted the improvements (and shortcomings - biggest being + 150kg) and the differences very shortly on the way back.......

mutant_matt

Seamus,Hey - if you really want us to drive your cars back to back, I'm sure we could be persuaded....
I wasn't but if you want to be like that......bring it on sucker (I'll be the one in the bright Red Sparco Suit with bright Red Sparco boots, a black helmet going really slowly )

Matt

Chins

Time for a BMW driver to comment.

Mutant Matt is correct in that Geometry settings are key. I certainly had understeer problems on my old UK300, but the Geometry was out.

Before the new shape, I never realised the meaning of chasis rigidity. Never knew how it translated to a car on the road. Over very rough roads my old UK300 soaked up the bumps and disposed of the road. One of my old shapes would shake a bit (not a great word/explanation). End result is that to me the new shape gave a better ride, and was certainly quicker (although you need to look at the speedo to confirm that) on rough roads.

The new shape to me provides a better base for improving the handling.

Jonathan

mutant_matt

And earlier on, someone asked what chassis stifness has to do with the handling and as I understand it, the more rigid the chassis is, the less work the suspension needs to do to compensate for the suspension base moving around.

I believe that this means that it's easier to set up the suspension to work as you intend it to, provides more consistency and ultimately, i think it also means that you can run softer (i.e. more compliant settings for the same level of "stiffness" which in turn will equate to a better "ride".

Matt

Dave T-S

Seamus
Two of the best bits on my car are the Leda suspension and the AP 6 pots - both are superb

MrCollier
Aren't you getting your outfit mixed up with someone else?!?!

Dave T-S

Jack up just one corner of a MY00<, and the doors don't shut properly where the shell twists. The MY01 doesn't do this. Not very scientific having the bodyshell as part of your suspension movement!

The MY01 suspension is able to do its job better having a stiffer, more stable platform to start with. Having said this, a standard one does ride too high!

HELLOM8

The new car is alot stiffer and has some improvements (according to opinion), being that it is new of course.
Of course both old and new are great and if the Impreza keeps on getting greater, then that can't be bad, can it?.
Cheers.
Ian.

mutant_matt

Mr T-S - I know exactly what I'm doing.......

I thought if I described you in detail, if/when Seamus comes over to give me a good kicking, he will in fact be giving you a good kicking

Matt

Seamus300

I was already aware of the fabled "Red Baron" from a previous thread that was taking the pi55!

Oh, and yeah all scoobies are great.

Scoobychick

iTrader: (1)

LOL @ Matt

'Bout time I joined in I spose I went from MY96 UK turbo to a MY00 UK turbo to a MY01 UK turbo and have noticed an improvement each time, most noticably with the MY01 and even more so now it has the Eibachs fitted. In fact the handling of this one blows my mind, it's fantastic, my enjoyment levels of driving have gone up considerably and as far as I'm concerned that is all that matters to me

Sal

Chris L

I'll get Sal to post her comments up in a moment. I've owned an MY00 on standard setup with 17" wheels - handled pretty well. Following Dave T-S around the Cambridge Ring a few months back showed the difference between the MY00 and MY01. Obviously Dave's car had the Leda setup on it which is simply amazing, but it does show you what can be done. I've also seen the difference when following Mutant Matt's MY00 on Eibach springs.

My new MY01 now has 18" wheels and uses the Eibach springs - the handling is considerably better than the MY00 (it was better before the Eibachs and geometry settings were changed). There was always less understeer, but now I've had the Eibach's fitted and the geometry adjusted (things that many people had done on the MY00s) it is in a different league. It was often said that the Scoob was an average handling car with amazing levels of grip - one is often confused for the other.

Drive them back to back and you'll notice the difference. This isn't simply the case of me justifying my purchase, the Scoob has moved on and it has improved in many areas.

Chris

[Edited by Chris L - 2/6/2002 3:17:41 PM]

Dave T-S

The MY00 was a good car - in comparison to what other cars were available at the time, and at the price....so we bought two.

Understeer? Not really, but did get nice four wheel drifts at Bedford

Two laps of Bedford in Pete Croney's MY01 in May last year was enough to convince me to trade them in for two WRX's within two days.

The STi7 - well, shame not to

In summary, it's a personal thing - been there, owned both, and prefer the MY01. If someone else prefers the MY00, well i'm not going to get too bent out of shape over it


[Edited by Dave T-S - 2/6/2002 3:51:27 PM]

DrEvil

Theo - are you really.. I'll be watchin' my back when we meet then

Anyway, back to the thread... re. why fit leda etc.. some people want better handling (as always), but also less movement on the suspension, the weight transfer or rather body movement (roll? i'm too tired for this..) on the standard springs in the WRX '01 is quite harsh, in the sports seats (not buckets) you can almost get thrown into the passenger seat when negatiating an S bend on a track like bedford at speed, well I did anyway!
With less movement, I've found you tend to stay more in your seat... IMHO.. just a thought (don't get many, and sorry for the completely bodged explanation, long day!)

I suspect the Evo boys might be able to tell us why the stiffer chasis makes such a difference.. anyone?

Alex

[Edited by DrEvil - 2/6/2002 5:53:49 PM]

Dave T-S

EvilBevel said

Standard MY00 vs standard MY01 to get a baseline comparison....

In a word Theo, yes

However, that's IMVHO, and who's to say I know a rats **** about anything worth knowing LOL.

So the bottom line is, as I said in my earlier post, it isn't a case of "MY01 is better than MY00", but more the case of what the individual prefers.

"Know thine self" as the old saying goes





[Edited by Dave T-S - 2/6/2002 7:18:28 PM]

Seamus300

I guess as neither of my cars are standard, I'm just comparing how they are, and I'm certainly not saying the UK300 is bad because it certainly is not, I love it! I am tempted to get the same suspension as you though Dave, worth the money? It would be interesting for you/Matt etc to drive both of ours back to back and see what you thought, whether you agreed with me etc.

Matt, you sure you're not picking on me, I'd hate to turn the Jordon karting into a grudge match heh heh

Dave, don't forget that wheel by the way!

[Edited by Seamus300 - 2/7/2002 11:30:55 AM]