P1 or Blob sti ppp???
17 August 2008, 02:39 PM
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Love the blobeyes but have to say im a classic man (biased i know lol
)....but the P1 is one of the best of the classics you can buy.
But as said, try and get one with a rebuild though as i know a few people who had P1's that went 'pop' below 60k miles
Try and get one with an aftermarket ECU or even a remap to suit ur type of fuel
)....but the P1 is one of the best of the classics you can buy.But as said, try and get one with a rebuild though as i know a few people who had P1's that went 'pop' below 60k miles
Try and get one with an aftermarket ECU or even a remap to suit ur type of fuel
17 August 2008, 02:52 PM
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your budget will get you a very nice 03/ nice 04 and should give you many happy, trouble free miles of driving
17 August 2008, 03:09 PM
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don't get me wrong here mate, as i've seen a few of your posts on depreciation that make alot of sense, but an 05 sti is worth a damn sight more than 10k.
i was offered over that as a part ex the other day on not a very dear car.
if you need to pay around 7k for version 6 sti you can't seriously say a car that's 7+ years newer only commands an extra 3k premium?? never quite understood the scooby mentality of devaluing our cars, but so many seem hell bent on driving the asking price down
i was offered over that as a part ex the other day on not a very dear car.
if you need to pay around 7k for version 6 sti you can't seriously say a car that's 7+ years newer only commands an extra 3k premium?? never quite understood the scooby mentality of devaluing our cars, but so many seem hell bent on driving the asking price down
You might think I am talking nonsense, but have a chat with stilover about his selling experience. He's trying to shift the car I'm talking about with some really nice (non-chav) mods and hasn't had a sniff at £12.5k. The normal suspects that have bought these cars for the last few years can't get the credit any more. There's a huge gap in the linear range of residual values which means the cheap cars still sell and the nearly new ones eventually find buyers. Anything mass-produced in the middle is virtually unwanted. Bearing in mind I could have bought a new 05 STI PPP for £23,000 I reckon £10,000 private sale is about right after 3 years. It's a residual value of 43%. Any more is unrealistic.
17 August 2008, 03:10 PM
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No doubt a standard MY03 STI will feel quick after your VR6 but you will deffo need one with atleast PPP. The best option is one that has been remapped as they often produce 340bhp.
I was in the same dilemma as you a few years back. In the end I decided for the Blob STI. Was it the right decision? I don't know, but I am a sucker for the P1. Absoutely awesome cars in standard form, which I can't really say the same for the STI.
Go for a P1
with either a recent rebulid from a reputable co, or one with warranty.
I was in the same dilemma as you a few years back. In the end I decided for the Blob STI. Was it the right decision? I don't know, but I am a sucker for the P1. Absoutely awesome cars in standard form, which I can't really say the same for the STI.
Go for a P1
with either a recent rebulid from a reputable co, or one with warranty.
17 August 2008, 03:21 PM
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There seems to be a very strange price step between the last of the classic STIs and the newage ones. Oversupply and massive discounting might have something to do with it - for info I got nearly 5 grand off and a massive trade in on my CTR when I bought my MY05 STI. You can't have these kind of discounts without a negative effect on residuals.
You might think I am talking nonsense, but have a chat with stilover about his selling experience. He's trying to shift the car I'm talking about with some really nice (non-chav) mods and hasn't had a sniff at £12.5k. The normal suspects that have bought these cars for the last few years can't get the credit any more. There's a huge gap in the linear range of residual values which means the cheap cars still sell and the nearly new ones eventually find buyers. Anything mass-produced in the middle is virtually unwanted. Bearing in mind I could have bought a new 05 STI PPP for £23,000 I reckon £10,000 private sale is about right after 3 years. It's a residual value of 43%. Any more is unrealistic.
You might think I am talking nonsense, but have a chat with stilover about his selling experience. He's trying to shift the car I'm talking about with some really nice (non-chav) mods and hasn't had a sniff at £12.5k. The normal suspects that have bought these cars for the last few years can't get the credit any more. There's a huge gap in the linear range of residual values which means the cheap cars still sell and the nearly new ones eventually find buyers. Anything mass-produced in the middle is virtually unwanted. Bearing in mind I could have bought a new 05 STI PPP for £23,000 I reckon £10,000 private sale is about right after 3 years. It's a residual value of 43%. Any more is unrealistic.
it's a knock on effect of the credit crunch, but there are still people out there who've got 10-15k to spend on a car and like the house prices i think they are chuckling to themselves about us lot running around like headless chickens de-valuing the price of our cars just to get shot beacuse of all the hype about how worthless they are. even with the added tax and petrol they're only about £600 more to run than last year.
sorry to go off thread motormad, i get a bit carried away at times
17 August 2008, 05:38 PM
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hmmm, i understand some of what you're saying. especially about the odd gap between classics and newages, but you won't buy a type uk straight 05 sti for 10k.
it's a knock on effect of the credit crunch, but there are still people out there who've got 10-15k to spend on a car and like the house prices i think they are chuckling to themselves about us lot running around like headless chickens de-valuing the price of our cars just to get shot beacuse of all the hype about how worthless they are. even with the added tax and petrol they're only about £600 more to run than last year.
sorry to go off thread motormad, i get a bit carried away at times
it's a knock on effect of the credit crunch, but there are still people out there who've got 10-15k to spend on a car and like the house prices i think they are chuckling to themselves about us lot running around like headless chickens de-valuing the price of our cars just to get shot beacuse of all the hype about how worthless they are. even with the added tax and petrol they're only about £600 more to run than last year.
sorry to go off thread motormad, i get a bit carried away at times
17 August 2008, 07:24 PM
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I understand why you have the hump. However, has anyone sold, say, an 05 STI for significantly more than I am suggesting? This is an open question to everyone. I'm not interested in trade-ins because it is too difficult to untangle the real trade-in price from the price of the replacement car. Any private sales that achieved more than 10 grand? Anyone?
just don't see why you're so keen on knocking prices of imprezas so much??
don't want to burst your bubble but if i so wanted to, i could take my car to a local dealer and walk away with 10.5k cash in my pocket tomorrow. that's a trade purchase price, not p/x.
yes, the guy is a mate but he's not daft. he's had many people asking if it's for sale when it's been there and he'll make a couple of grand for simply washing it.
there is still a market for these cars, just don't be sucked in by the doom and gloom bull5hit
17 August 2008, 07:43 PM
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That kind of proves my point. You can get £10.5k from a dealer. Sounds like you have a very nice example and he'll probably move it on for an easy profit. The trouble is, if you put that car in the classifieds for £12-13k it won't budge. I always use stilover's car as an example because I thought it looked great in the advert. He hasn't had a sniff. If a good car, well advertised isn't selling then all the other stuff that is also up for similar money can't be shifting either.
Although I can see I may have given this impression, I am not actually trying to talk down values. I was actually trying to make sure this chap paid the right money for his car. £10k buys you a lot of Impreza these days and it would be very easy for someone new to the marque to get suckered in and paying over the odds for something that would normally be a good deal, but in the current climate isn't.
Just to get this thread back on topic ( I can't think who dragged it off on a tangent ) if it was me I'd be looking at a cheap P1 needing a rebuild. There have been several examples starting at about £6k that have generated some discussion on Scoobynet. I'd be very tempted to buy one for that price, spend £2,000 on a new engine/rebuild, another £1500/2000 on a same-colour respray and alloy refurb and a few hundred quid having the interior professionally refreshed. Obviously you don't want to buy a complete crate, but I'd rather pay a fair price for something I know needs work and get that work done properly, than get caught out by something that's been done up to sell.
Although I can see I may have given this impression, I am not actually trying to talk down values. I was actually trying to make sure this chap paid the right money for his car. £10k buys you a lot of Impreza these days and it would be very easy for someone new to the marque to get suckered in and paying over the odds for something that would normally be a good deal, but in the current climate isn't.
Just to get this thread back on topic ( I can't think who dragged it off on a tangent
) if it was me I'd be looking at a cheap P1 needing a rebuild. There have been several examples starting at about £6k that have generated some discussion on Scoobynet. I'd be very tempted to buy one for that price, spend £2,000 on a new engine/rebuild, another £1500/2000 on a same-colour respray and alloy refurb and a few hundred quid having the interior professionally refreshed. Obviously you don't want to buy a complete crate, but I'd rather pay a fair price for something I know needs work and get that work done properly, than get caught out by something that's been done up to sell.
17 August 2008, 11:07 PM
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That kind of proves my point. You can get £10.5k from a dealer. Sounds like you have a very nice example and he'll probably move it on for an easy profit. The trouble is, if you put that car in the classifieds for £12-13k it won't budge. I always use stilover's car as an example because I thought it looked great in the advert. He hasn't had a sniff. If a good car, well advertised isn't selling then all the other stuff that is also up for similar money can't be shifting either.
Although I can see I may have given this impression, I am not actually trying to talk down values. I was actually trying to make sure this chap paid the right money for his car. £10k buys you a lot of Impreza these days and it would be very easy for someone new to the marque to get suckered in and paying over the odds for something that would normally be a good deal, but in the current climate isn't.
Just to get this thread back on topic ( I can't think who dragged it off on a tangent ) if it was me I'd be looking at a cheap P1 needing a rebuild. There have been several examples starting at about £6k that have generated some discussion on Scoobynet. I'd be very tempted to buy one for that price, spend £2,000 on a new engine/rebuild, another £1500/2000 on a same-colour respray and alloy refurb and a few hundred quid having the interior professionally refreshed. Obviously you don't want to buy a complete crate, but I'd rather pay a fair price for something I know needs work and get that work done properly, than get caught out by something that's been done up to sell.
Although I can see I may have given this impression, I am not actually trying to talk down values. I was actually trying to make sure this chap paid the right money for his car. £10k buys you a lot of Impreza these days and it would be very easy for someone new to the marque to get suckered in and paying over the odds for something that would normally be a good deal, but in the current climate isn't.
Just to get this thread back on topic ( I can't think who dragged it off on a tangent
) if it was me I'd be looking at a cheap P1 needing a rebuild. There have been several examples starting at about £6k that have generated some discussion on Scoobynet. I'd be very tempted to buy one for that price, spend £2,000 on a new engine/rebuild, another £1500/2000 on a same-colour respray and alloy refurb and a few hundred quid having the interior professionally refreshed. Obviously you don't want to buy a complete crate, but I'd rather pay a fair price for something I know needs work and get that work done properly, than get caught out by something that's been done up to sell.
18 August 2008, 09:44 AM
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Are you talking about Claudio's VR6, if so, that hasn't been a quick car for a long long time
I'm in a similar position to the OP, I love P1's and have a similar budget but I think the Blob STI offers a better overall package. It's going to be newer, probably less mileage, 6 speed box and brembo's as standard and for not a lot of money can be taken up to a reliable 330/330 and up to 400 if you have a bit more money to play with.
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18 August 2008, 09:52 AM
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Get a p1.
I love the rawness of the classics.
I had a uk2000 turbo and I now have a 2005 blob wrx..
And i miss the classic alot!!
I loved the way it handled and it just felt more raw altogether.
I love the rawness of the classics.
I had a uk2000 turbo and I now have a 2005 blob wrx..
And i miss the classic alot!!
I loved the way it handled and it just felt more raw altogether.
18 August 2008, 10:14 AM
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motormadj,
You might just want to read this. This is my thread about my UK 03 STI. This car was purchased new by me through the UK dealer network and always serviced on time by a Subaru dealer. Tell me if this does not scare you.
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...ble-scoob.html
Get a P1 - either car could go wrong. The P1 will hold its value, looks better and is I suspect the better car to drive. I have gone back to a classic now. Not as fast, but feels the better car in my hands and I am sure A to B I would be quicker in the classic then my STI.
You might just want to read this. This is my thread about my UK 03 STI. This car was purchased new by me through the UK dealer network and always serviced on time by a Subaru dealer. Tell me if this does not scare you.
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...ble-scoob.html
Get a P1 - either car could go wrong. The P1 will hold its value, looks better and is I suspect the better car to drive. I have gone back to a classic now. Not as fast, but feels the better car in my hands and I am sure A to B I would be quicker in the classic then my STI.
18 August 2008, 10:18 AM
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Oh and after that thread was written the heater matrix was replaced (massive bill) and then the top hose went on the motorway 1 week later. Replaced that myself though - cheapest bill I had
18 August 2008, 10:49 AM
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f1_fan,
Mate that is well scarey!! Sounds quite strange, your car is a realitively isolated problem though, by that i mean there arent loads of reports of 03 type uk sti's being very trouble some.
Sorry to hear that.
Hope it doesnt cause to many more problems.
Thanks.
Mate that is well scarey!! Sounds quite strange, your car is a realitively isolated problem though, by that i mean there arent loads of reports of 03 type uk sti's being very trouble some.
Sorry to hear that.
Hope it doesnt cause to many more problems.
Thanks.
18 August 2008, 10:57 AM
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Anyway it won't cause me any more probs because I no longer have it
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