Labour to win next election!!!
21 August 2008, 04:43 PM
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Yes we all know the likely outcome of the next election, that wasn't the point of my response, I was simply responding to the notion that voters can be easily pigeon holed into different camps based purely on how much money they have or where they live, if that were the case the Tory party would never lose an election
Sure the conservatives won England in 2005, (not by that much mind), they also lost it in 97 and 2001.
I suspect that even if we have a benign economic climate right now the government would be struggling, people just get tired and bored with the same old faces, saying the same old things. When things are not going well those feelings just get amplified (if you don't believe me, just read any politically based thread on here, filed with unjustified vitriol and bile)
Sure the conservatives won England in 2005, (not by that much mind), they also lost it in 97 and 2001.
I suspect that even if we have a benign economic climate right now the government would be struggling, people just get tired and bored with the same old faces, saying the same old things. When things are not going well those feelings just get amplified (if you don't believe me, just read any politically based thread on here, filed with unjustified vitriol and bile)
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sorry martin, my post wasn't aimed at you, i was merely making an observation about where the wind is blowing. you're right about pigeon-holing voters; the social make-up of the electorate if far more complex. and you're right about harder times amplifying critical feeling - although the nub of the matter was, is and will always remain that of competence and performance.
21 August 2008, 04:51 PM
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But I take on board your point - Traditionally, workers vote Labour, toffs vote Tory, or words to that effect.
Umm not sure about that, perhaps not so much.
21 August 2008, 08:05 PM
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So you are telling us, using your extraordinary in depth knowledge and political insight that the big problem with New Labour's current fortunes are that “people just got tired and bored with the same old faces, saying the same old things.”
Apart from the obvious flaw in this argument (that we have only recently had a new and unelected PM foisted upon us by NL who then appointed a largely new cabinet) the reasons that the wheels have come so spectacularly off their bandwagon are manifold (quite apart from the recession, that incidentally they still deny any responsibility for). I'm not going to bother to try to list them all here as there are simply too many.
If you can't grasp that you are even more naive than I had realised. Still, you clearly know best.
22 August 2008, 02:56 PM
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22 August 2008, 09:53 PM
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lol – I only just saw this little vitriolic outburst from our student friend. (yes, some of us work for a living and are unable to spend all afternoon honing their keyboard warrior 'skills'). Such hubris.
So you are telling us, using your extraordinary in depth knowledge and political insight that the big problem with New Labour's current fortunes are that “people just got tired and bored with the same old faces, saying the same old things.”
Apart from the obvious flaw in this argument (that we have only recently had a new and unelected PM foisted upon us by NL who then appointed a largely new cabinet) the reasons that the wheels have come so spectacularly off their bandwagon are manifold (quite apart from the recession, that incidentally they still deny any responsibility for). I'm not going to bother to try to list them all here as there are simply too many.
If you can't grasp that you are even more naive than I had realised. Still, you clearly know best.
So you are telling us, using your extraordinary in depth knowledge and political insight that the big problem with New Labour's current fortunes are that “people just got tired and bored with the same old faces, saying the same old things.”
Apart from the obvious flaw in this argument (that we have only recently had a new and unelected PM foisted upon us by NL who then appointed a largely new cabinet) the reasons that the wheels have come so spectacularly off their bandwagon are manifold (quite apart from the recession, that incidentally they still deny any responsibility for). I'm not going to bother to try to list them all here as there are simply too many.
If you can't grasp that you are even more naive than I had realised. Still, you clearly know best.
It's just a fact, people do you tired and bored of things, just as I get tired and bored of your musings.
As for unelected PM, well in the strictest sense all PM's are unelected by the public, we vote for party's do we not (leaders are selected by their members)? Having said that we do need an election and a change of government. And I await your 180 degree change of views on everything with interest, especially when you start to realise this isn't all NL doing, as that is such a naive and simplistic way of looking at what has been happening with our economy.
I note you chose not to answer my basic point about childish name calling, I mean why is the fact that the guy lost an eye something to rejoice in, why not laugh at the fact that his first child died as well??
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Maybe we can melt them down and replace some of the gold Mr Brown sold off on the cheap.
23 August 2008, 11:36 AM
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23 August 2008, 11:39 AM
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Student??????
It's just a fact, people do you tired and bored of things, just as I get tired and bored of your musings.
As for unelected PM, well in the strictest sense all PM's are unelected by the public, we vote for party's do we not (leaders are selected by their members)? Having said that we do need an election and a change of government. And I await your 180 degree change of views on everything with interest, especially when you start to realise this isn't all NL doing, as that is such a naive and simplistic way of looking at what has been happening with our economy.
I note you chose not to answer my basic point about childish name calling, I mean why is the fact that the guy lost an eye something to rejoice in, why not laugh at the fact that his first child died as well??
It's just a fact, people do you tired and bored of things, just as I get tired and bored of your musings.
As for unelected PM, well in the strictest sense all PM's are unelected by the public, we vote for party's do we not (leaders are selected by their members)? Having said that we do need an election and a change of government. And I await your 180 degree change of views on everything with interest, especially when you start to realise this isn't all NL doing, as that is such a naive and simplistic way of looking at what has been happening with our economy.
I note you chose not to answer my basic point about childish name calling, I mean why is the fact that the guy lost an eye something to rejoice in, why not laugh at the fact that his first child died as well??
I don't think anyone else in the cabal impressed anybody very much, they have all demonstrated their gross incompetence and their ability to creep to the person wielding power. They have all nevertheless been very good at feathering their own nests at our expense with no sense of shame, and I include the vast majority of politicians in that collection.
How interesting to see so many of Flash's apparently loyal friends so willing to undercut him now he has shown his complete inability to lead this country successfully.
A lot more than meets the eye about all this governing I think!
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