r32

This is just terrible, does the sport (if its a sport anymore) real harm. The telemetry shows that Hamilton was 6 kph slower when they crossed the line so where was any advantage in momentum? He was going slower.

Lets just hope McLarens appeal wins and common sense is restored.

But for me that was the last GP (other than MOTOGP) that I will ever watch.
I dont mind watching sport but not this corrupt pile of sh*t.

Scoob99

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Bunch of cheating w*nkers, FFS Raikanon lost it and hit the wall too on the next lap that was after Lewis let him pass, bloody FIA Ferrari international Aid, makes my blood boil lets just hope they have another engine let go next weekend.
Cheers
Colin

D1CCY

Setting aside the politics I've looked at the video footage several times. Also remember this decision is by only 3 people who have a record of strange decisions.

These 3 individuals somehow can only think that Lewis got past because he got an unfair slipstream but my interpretation of the entry to La Source is that KR made a pathetic defence, jinked to the left and braked early, opening the door gifting Lewis the place.

Best race for a while totally marred by this insane charade. Even in the unlikely event that the decision is overturned the race will be remembered for this nonsense rather than Lewis' supreme driving in impossible conditions.

MooseRacer

Watching it yesterday afternoon I was shouting at the telly for Lewis to back off after crossing the chicane - only telemetry will show whether he actually backed off or just happened to be going 6kph slower than Kimi due to poorer traction. Either way it seems on the face of it to be a harsh penalty but the whole manouevre didn't quite look right either.

scooby L

I'm still fuming....

Yes LH might have gained an advantage over KR from that 1st move... but I cannot how.... But Kimi re-took the position in an equally "off track" experience later on..clearly gaining more traction by being on the run off area (a trick he tried later on but it caused him to spin in to the wall.. )

The FIA have lost all face in this...but that will not change them.... they are they're own God's in their little kingdom.... I know it's a knee jurk reaction... but if I was McLaren...I'd have pulled out of F1 after that.... but then Ferrari win AGAIN don't they...

Gear Head

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What really gets me wound up is the fact that if you support ferrari on this forum, you slagged off left right and center. 'Oh you must support Lewis because he is british!'. What a load of b*llocks.
Remember the last race of 97? Hmm, what happened there? Oh yes, Schumacher was booted out of the championship. And let's not forget that Mclaren did try and actually 'cheat' last year by using ferrari data. Or have we all forgotten that? They should have been booted out of this years championship too.

Lewis did cut the chicane.
How do you know that Lewis actually lifted to let Raikkonen through? Do you have access to their telementry? You could see that raikkonen had better traction coming out of the corner due to Lewis driving across the slippery run-off area. That doesn't mean to say that Lewis did not gain a few car lengths more than if he had waited behind the ferrari and taken the corner properly.
A penalty should have been issued during the race, not after yes. But that doesn't justify what Lewis did.


Half you guys didn't even follow F1 before Lewis cam along. Now you're all experts? Yea right.

Gear Head

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How does going onto the grass (when he lost it and crashed) help you gain an advantage?

Gear Head

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But did he actually lift?

scooby L

I've watched F1 for 23 years... and I've NEVER supported Ferrari...




Just to let you know it's not a recent hatred....

scooby L

That part of my quote was a joke...

Gear Head

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But you said he tried the same move that caused him to crash. WATCH THE FOOTAGE! He lost traction, when on the grass and lost it. Stop branding every driver apart from Lewis, a cheat!

Neanderthal

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The senior engineer in his statement to the media said that they have submitted all of the telemetry data which showed that Lewis lifted off the throttle and was therefore 6kph slower (although I agree that's a miniscule amount!).
I just get the feeling the FIA have got it in for McLaren. If there's a chance to make it difficult for them then they will.
In 96, didn't Schumacher get disqualified because for the 2nd year running he tried winning the championship by ramming off his main rival?!

scooby L

N..Hamilton drives his F1 car like every other hungry driver in this country... that's what makes him entertaining to watch... Kimi was in control of the GP until it started to rain again.... then he was 1-2 seconds slower than Lewis immediatly... Kimi knew Lewis was alongside him going into the bus stop... and chose to run him onto the escape track...if there had been no escape trap there... he'd have conceded the place.because Lewis was there already... but he knew Lewis would avoid him if he stuck to his racing line...and put him up the escape track... that's entertaining racing...and I'm sure they both were enjoying the tussle... but to then have the FIA stick their Ferrari funded noses into the incident.... when Kimi had already prooved his skill levels and had hit the wall... well... do you wonder why we all ask how much are Ferrari infuencing the FIA now...

Gear Head

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97 actually.

FlightMan

OK, speaking as an Italian on my fathers side, and subsequently a Ferrari fan.

Find me one post in this thread were every driver apart from LH is branded a cheat.

The rules say if you gain an advantage by missing a corner you must:
Give back that place before the finishing line ( Which LH did )
or
before the next corner.

It doesn't say anything about by how much you should back off, or how much slower you should be going than your opponent, or how much of a lead you should give him.

LH complied with the rules of the sport, he did exactly what Charlie Whiting asked the McLaren team to do.

The result was fixed by the stewards.

scooby L

I'm saying the Ferrari is a pig in the wet..the McLaren generates way more traction when it gets greasy and they're on slicks... Kimi messed up.... probably dis-advantaged due to the car's lower grip....but Lewis was always going to win from the moment it started to rain again.... Ferrari's only hope was to get McLaren penalised..and unfortunatly LH gave them a 50/50 hope....

And you call Lewis a Cheat...

urban

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Yeah right.
Try this instead

"I was forced off track because I made a complete ***** of trying to overtake that bad red car and was going to crash into it"

Brun

Personally at the time i thought he should have backed off more and maybe had a go at Kimi after the first corner. Yes i think Hamilton was in the wrong but no - the punishment doesn't fit the crime!!!

urban

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No they're not.
The usual penalty in "after race scenarios" is 25 seconds.

scooby L

OR

$10,000 if you're driving a Ferrari.....

borderlinechris

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F I A... Fix It Again.. hope lewis wins the championship but i wont be watching it again. sticking to the motogp and aussiev8`s and dtm.......

PeteBrant

What's the problem with that? The rules say he had to let kimi pass, which he did. The rules don't state you have to brake, or be behind a certain amount of time.

Raikonnen had more speed over the start finish line, there was no momentum advantge .


Hamilton was ahead, and the allowed Raikonnen to pass.

Now, there is one way that happened. One. Raikonnen was accelerating at a faster rate than Hamilton.

I suggest that this was not due to Raikonnen suddenly calling on the power of Greyskull.

fivetide

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As opposed to Raikkonen who did actually hit the McLaren as Lewis had passed him....

Fact it Kimi was in front. If he had ***** he'd have had his foot down and braked later. He didn't, he couldn't and i still think Kimi backing off was what made Lewis look faster and allowed the overtake. If they look at telemetry they need to check Kimi's car too.

5t.

urban

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Fair enough.

However, judging by the acceleration of hamilton's car he was maybe calling on the power of Greyskull.

scooby L

Or the plain fact the McLaren was working 100% better in the semi damp conditions.... highlighed by the fact he closed a 2 second gap in just 4 or 5 hundred yards....

Gear Head

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But that doesn't mean to say that Lewis didn't gain an advantage by cutting the chicane. When he rejoined the track, he was actually ahead of kimi. He wouldn't have been if he had followed Kimi through the corner. I don't think he let Kimi through on purpose, I believe he was struggling with traction as Lewis was on the dirty side and Kimi wasn't. Kimi got back through by himself, but if Lewis hadn't cut the chicane, he wouldn't have had to.

Brun

True, but the fact of the matter is that LH would have been no where near close enough to challenge KR at the first corner had he taken the correct racing line - hence, advantage gained!!!

urban

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Fair enough.

However, judging by the acceleration of hamilton's car he was maybe calling on the power of Greyskull.

urban

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Yeah, by cheating and cutting the chicane

scooby L

But Kimi had already gone into ***** mode...

At that point in the RaceKimi was a slow road block... and I think Hamilton would have been diving inside him regardless that he "may" have been 1 or 2m further back.. Kimi was in trouble...Lewis knew it...