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08 September 2008, 06:28 PM
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Lewis had an advantage, but then he let him go by, then he simply out-braked him into the corner.
He tried to pass on the left but Kimi moved over, then he passed on the right because he braked later - without any slipstream.
There was no slipstreaming involved, nothing.
Just think about it: If Lewis had stayed behind Kimi through the chicane, he would have passed him in front of the pits, because Lewis and the McLaren, at that time in the race in the wet, were so much quicker.
So I do not understand this decision, and it's really bad for the sport because people watching will not watch any more because of this stupid decision.
What developed yesterday is the biggest mess the sport has ever done.
The events of Spa underline the need for permanent race stewards who attend every GP .
The first thing that should happen is to try to train stewards to understand the sport and the issues that drivers need to know.
If you change them all the time, then new people are coming in who don't seem to have a clue.
It's unelievable how the best driver in yesterday's race makes no mistakes and only gets six points."
He tried to pass on the left but Kimi moved over, then he passed on the right because he braked later - without any slipstream.
There was no slipstreaming involved, nothing.
Just think about it: If Lewis had stayed behind Kimi through the chicane, he would have passed him in front of the pits, because Lewis and the McLaren, at that time in the race in the wet, were so much quicker.
So I do not understand this decision, and it's really bad for the sport because people watching will not watch any more because of this stupid decision.
What developed yesterday is the biggest mess the sport has ever done.
The events of Spa underline the need for permanent race stewards who attend every GP .
The first thing that should happen is to try to train stewards to understand the sport and the issues that drivers need to know.
If you change them all the time, then new people are coming in who don't seem to have a clue.
It's unelievable how the best driver in yesterday's race makes no mistakes and only gets six points."
08 September 2008, 07:10 PM
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manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers such as premature changes of direction, more than one change of direction, deliberate crowding of cars towards the inside or the outside of the curve or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited and shall be penalised, according to the importance and repetition of the offences, by penalties ranging from a fi ne to the exclusion from the race.
1:08 in, Raikkonen makes two changes of direction to try and fox Hamilton. Raikkonen starts to drift to the left to get on his line for the corner, jinks right then goes left again. I cant believe the Stewards are so blind as not to see this stuff, not to mention crowding Hamilton to the outside of the previous corner, forcing him to cut. If they want to be picky about stuff like this, they they should stick to their own rules. Hamilton had the racing line on the chicane, Raikkonen should have mirrored him around the outside.
Hamilton absolutely demolishes Raikkonen under breaking, probably partly due to his erratic maneuvers. Within 10 seconds of that corner Hamilton has easily pulled away.
Total BS if you ask me, more like US style "wrestling" than FIA.
08 September 2008, 08:23 PM
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The appeal will be quashed :FACT
lots of people will be annoyed about that :FACT
Lots of people will moan and say they arent watching formula 1 again :FACT
People may even boycott the next race :FACT
Will the FIA Care - NO :FACT
Will it affect F1 in anyway NO:FACT
Just like the uproar when Schumi gifted Barichelllo that win many years ago
It will all be forgotten about soon enough, and everyone will be back to watching and supporting F1 and their favourite teams/drivers regardless
It will never change, as much as all the top people saying Mosely should have resigned over the **** affair, I think most people knew he never would, and has it affected the sport :NO
lots of people will be annoyed about that :FACT
Lots of people will moan and say they arent watching formula 1 again :FACT
People may even boycott the next race :FACT
Will the FIA Care - NO :FACT
Will it affect F1 in anyway NO:FACT
Just like the uproar when Schumi gifted Barichelllo that win many years ago
It will all be forgotten about soon enough, and everyone will be back to watching and supporting F1 and their favourite teams/drivers regardless
It will never change, as much as all the top people saying Mosely should have resigned over the **** affair, I think most people knew he never would, and has it affected the sport :NO
08 September 2008, 09:19 PM
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Don't know if this has already been posted as I haven't got the time to read all 9 pages. But I think the fact that even Kimi doesn't agree with it says it all really:
In a sensational turnaround, a flash from La Gazzetta dello Sport quotes defending World Champion Kimi Raikkonen as being prepared to testify on behalf of arch rival Lewis Hamilton at the FIA hearing that will result from Vodafone McLaren Mercedes' protest of the penalty imposed on Hamilton after the Belgian Grand Prix. "I don't care what the stewards said, as far as I was concerned, Hamilton let me by as we passed the pits", said Raikkonen in Geneva today. "I got ahead, I tried to defend the position and the race was on again. My car was for sure very difficult on the prime tyres in the rain and Lewis got by me into the hairpin. That was that."
Raikkonen went on, "For sure, I don't like to lose but I don't like to win through stupid decisions. People say I have lost the love (for F1) but yesterday I showed that second was not what I wanted. There are five races to go and I plan to win them all. I'm not the sort to give up that easily."
Asked if he was prepared to testify to that effect if the McLaren protest goes to the FIA, Raikkonen simply said, "Yes, why not."
Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali declined to comment on Raikkonen's statement but technical director Aldo Costa admitted the Scuderia was not pleased. "Our driver has a view but the team believes the stewards and the FIA have all the information they need. We will be talking to our driver during the week," Costa told Gazzetta dello Sport.
Raikkonen went on, "For sure, I don't like to lose but I don't like to win through stupid decisions. People say I have lost the love (for F1) but yesterday I showed that second was not what I wanted. There are five races to go and I plan to win them all. I'm not the sort to give up that easily."
Asked if he was prepared to testify to that effect if the McLaren protest goes to the FIA, Raikkonen simply said, "Yes, why not."
Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali declined to comment on Raikkonen's statement but technical director Aldo Costa admitted the Scuderia was not pleased. "Our driver has a view but the team believes the stewards and the FIA have all the information they need. We will be talking to our driver during the week," Costa told Gazzetta dello Sport.
08 September 2008, 09:28 PM
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Well, good for him. It's a great shame that the team he drives for fail to share his sentiments. Races are won and lost on the track. That 3 stoodges from the FIA are allowed to influence that in the way they have is unforgivable.
08 September 2008, 10:30 PM
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Unfortunately there true.
The run of the mill bias continues in the sport.Another unfortunate thing is - all CP100 post's come up as
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08 September 2008, 10:55 PM
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08 September 2008, 11:17 PM
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Just think about it: If Lewis had stayed behind Kimi through the chicane, he would have passed him in front of the pits, because Lewis and the McLaren, at that time in the race in the wet, were so much quicker.
08 September 2008, 11:40 PM
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Let me clarify - he would not have been able to complete that overtaking manoeuvre had he been behind Kimi exiting the last corner as opposed to crossing the chicane!!!!!
09 September 2008, 12:14 AM
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Oh come on. Of course he would have. But let me clarify. Kimi saw Hamilton pass him on the way INTO the chicane. Kimi Had two choices,
1. Maintain his line and race for position on coming out of the chicane.
2. Take Hamiltons line by forcing Hamilton to take avoiding action to prevent a collision.
Hamilton relinquished the place gained before the start/finish line then completely out drove Kimi to overtake him again.
Ingoring some of the facts to fit your theory is very weak arguement
1. Maintain his line and race for position on coming out of the chicane.
2. Take Hamiltons line by forcing Hamilton to take avoiding action to prevent a collision.
Hamilton relinquished the place gained before the start/finish line then completely out drove Kimi to overtake him again.
Ingoring some of the facts to fit your theory is very weak arguement
09 September 2008, 12:58 AM
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09 September 2008, 01:03 AM
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Would they be the one's who didn't bat an eye-lid at KR overtaking LH under yellow flags?
Originally Posted by Planet F1
Ferrari have confirmed that the stewards did not question Kimi Raikkonen over why he overtook Lewis Hamilton under a yellow flag when they summoned him after the Belgian GP.
As Hamilton crossed the line to claim an apparent victory in Spa, notification came from the stewards that they were investigating an incident involving cars 1 and 22.
While it was subsequently confirmed that Hamilton was under investigation for cutting the chicane shortly before overtaking Raikkonen's Ferrari, the Finn's own driving came under heavy scrutiny after the race when it was noted that he overtook Hamilton later on the same lap despite yellow flags being waved to indicate that Nico Rosberg had slid off the track.
While Hamilton apparently slowed down, Raikkonen overtook the McLaren which was then required to take to the grass in order to avoid a collision. However, despite the obvious danger of the incident, the stewards deemed it not worthy of their consideration.
As Hamilton crossed the line to claim an apparent victory in Spa, notification came from the stewards that they were investigating an incident involving cars 1 and 22.
While it was subsequently confirmed that Hamilton was under investigation for cutting the chicane shortly before overtaking Raikkonen's Ferrari, the Finn's own driving came under heavy scrutiny after the race when it was noted that he overtook Hamilton later on the same lap despite yellow flags being waved to indicate that Nico Rosberg had slid off the track.
While Hamilton apparently slowed down, Raikkonen overtook the McLaren which was then required to take to the grass in order to avoid a collision. However, despite the obvious danger of the incident, the stewards deemed it not worthy of their consideration.
09 September 2008, 07:12 AM
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Its the expected double standards, just like the dangerous release of (was it?) Massa into the pit lane a week or two ago, had that been a McLaren there would have been a drive through penalty 'for sure' ........
09 September 2008, 08:11 AM
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The easy answer to all the arguments is to watch a sport where the racing is generally decided on the track 
YouTube - Rossi-Stoner Laguna Seca 2008 battle
YouTube - Rossi-Stoner Laguna Seca 2008 battle
09 September 2008, 08:12 AM
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Cant wait to hear M Bundle’s views on this he all ready thought McLaren where given harsh penalties compared to Ferrari and he talks to lots of drivers/team members so his view on it will be interesting.
Jackie Stewart will be a good one too he likes to cause a stir by speaking his mind
Jackie Stewart will be a good one too he likes to cause a stir by speaking his mind
09 September 2008, 08:14 AM
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Moot point, but it doesn't matter if he couldn't. He would have handed KR his **** on a plate as he outbraked him at the end of the long straight going into Les Combes (sp).
09 September 2008, 08:39 AM
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That's one of the unusual requirements Ferrari demand of their F1 champions. I think you'll find they've all done it since the early '80's!
Another one is not publicly expressing your opinion without the permission of the Team, so KR's got a bit to learn there!
Maybe there's also a slight dig at team mate Massa there: i.e. the only way he would win the title is with outside FIA assistance!
Another one is not publicly expressing your opinion without the permission of the Team, so KR's got a bit to learn there!
Maybe there's also a slight dig at team mate Massa there: i.e. the only way he would win the title is with outside FIA assistance!
09 September 2008, 09:17 AM
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That is far more the McLaren way than Ferrari.
You can pretty much say what you want as a Ferrari driver, but you may have to be prepared to suffer the consequences!
09 September 2008, 09:32 AM
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09 September 2008, 09:32 AM
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Oh come on. Of course he would have. But let me clarify. Kimi saw Hamilton pass him on the way INTO the chicane. Kimi Had two choices,
1. Maintain his line and race for position on coming out of the chicane.
2. Take Hamiltons line by forcing Hamilton to take avoiding action to prevent a collision.
Hamilton relinquished the place gained before the start/finish line then completely out drove Kimi to overtake him again.
Ingoring some of the facts to fit your theory is very weak arguement
1. Maintain his line and race for position on coming out of the chicane.
2. Take Hamiltons line by forcing Hamilton to take avoiding action to prevent a collision.
Hamilton relinquished the place gained before the start/finish line then completely out drove Kimi to overtake him again.
Ingoring some of the facts to fit your theory is very weak arguement
I would be very suprised if one passing manoeuvre got completed into the first corner on anything other than the first lap during the entire race!!!