EARTH-CLIMATE WARS
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I was a scientist for a number of years... before I left lab-top work and whilst there is a change in climate we can not lose track of one essential thing.... there always has been climate change and there always will be climate change.... the way of the world is that we adapt to climate change, not the climate adapting to our wishes.
Whilst I still have to wear whoolies and coats during winter,and can get away with shorts and t-shirts in summer, I am reasonably happy with the climate
Whilst I still have to wear whoolies and coats during winter,and can get away with shorts and t-shirts in summer, I am reasonably happy with the climate
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I watched the show last night, it was good to watch both sides of the arguement given equal airtime.
The conclusions were pretty clear though, GW is happening, and it's (at least in part) due to mankind. The real debate now is how bad is it going to get.
Yes there are still scientists claiming the opposite, but they are an ever decreasing band of mariginalised odd-*****. - not my view, but the programmes (before you all start on me).
The conclusions were pretty clear though, GW is happening, and it's (at least in part) due to mankind. The real debate now is how bad is it going to get.
Yes there are still scientists claiming the opposite, but they are an ever decreasing band of mariginalised odd-*****. - not my view, but the programmes (before you all start on me).
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We get the same arguments from both sides every single time this is covered (i.e. weekly). I'm as guilty as anyone else - Why does anyone think they are goign to convince anyone else? Posting in this thread is an excercise in futility. People here have made up thier minds, end of.
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I was a scientist for a number of years... before I left lab-top work and whilst there is a change in climate we can not lose track of one essential thing.... there always has been climate change and there always will be climate change.... the way of the world is that we adapt to climate change, not the climate adapting to our wishes.
Whilst I still have to wear whoolies and coats during winter,and can get away with shorts and t-shirts in summer, I am reasonably happy with the climate
Whilst I still have to wear whoolies and coats during winter,and can get away with shorts and t-shirts in summer, I am reasonably happy with the climate
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This "always has been, always will be" mantra though. So many people latch onto this. Again, i'll ask you, what would it take for you to believe that things are getting out of control? Twenty feet of snow outside your back door this winter? What?
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People believe what they want to believe.
Me personally, i think that Mankind only contributes a very small percentage to global warming, i personally believe its a naturally occuring cycle of the Earths evoloution.
Am i wrong? well who can say who is right or who is wrong, i dont think there is anyone out there can say for definate that we have caused global warming.
Me personally, i think that Mankind only contributes a very small percentage to global warming, i personally believe its a naturally occuring cycle of the Earths evoloution.
Am i wrong? well who can say who is right or who is wrong, i dont think there is anyone out there can say for definate that we have caused global warming.
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Yep, we get the India/China nod every "green" thread. And the answer continues to be; yes you're right, lots of countries are ignoring the issue, but does that give us the moral high-ground to take our ball home and refuse to play until they change? No, i don't think it does. Still.
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There was no mention in last night's programme about how the hottest year on record was 1998, that for me is a major doubt about global warming.
All the graphs ended at 2000, ignoring 8 years worth of data.
All the graphs ended at 2000, ignoring 8 years worth of data.
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I have not once stated that things are not 'getting out of control'.
I am simply stating that the climate has changed in a number of ways over the thousands of years.....
On a note, Telboy' you look at gorges and valleys between mountains etc and most of these were caused by ice.. sometimes thousands of feet thick..now whilst I am not that old I do know that the ice was not caused by my Golf's emissions. All I do know is that there has been a number of extreme weather cycles in the past, that can not be attributed to humans, and I suspect there will be again.
I am simply stating that the climate has changed in a number of ways over the thousands of years.....
On a note, Telboy' you look at gorges and valleys between mountains etc and most of these were caused by ice.. sometimes thousands of feet thick..now whilst I am not that old I do know that the ice was not caused by my Golf's emissions. All I do know is that there has been a number of extreme weather cycles in the past, that can not be attributed to humans, and I suspect there will be again.
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No hold on, Warren, an underlying assumption about conditions being optimum was what i'm challenging. That's not the same as wanting to control the rate of change. I'm not sure anyone is actually trying to defy nature entirely, merely prevent the rate of change entering uncharted territory.
If we went a whole year without a new wettest, driest, warmest, coldest etc etc since records began anywhere on Earth, i'd go out and burn a celebratory tyre just for you.
If we went a whole year without a new wettest, driest, warmest, coldest etc etc since records began anywhere on Earth, i'd go out and burn a celebratory tyre just for you.
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According to NASA that was 2005, if single year data is worth studying.
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I have not once stated that things are not 'getting out of control'.
I am simply stating that the climate has changed in a number of ways over the thousands of years.....
On a note, Telboy' you look at gorges and valleys between mountains etc and most of these were caused by ice.. sometimes thousands of feet thick..now whilst I am not that old I do know that the ice was not caused by my Golf's emissions. All I do know is that there has been a number of extreme weather cycles in the past, that can not be attributed to humans, and I suspect there will be again.
I am simply stating that the climate has changed in a number of ways over the thousands of years.....
On a note, Telboy' you look at gorges and valleys between mountains etc and most of these were caused by ice.. sometimes thousands of feet thick..now whilst I am not that old I do know that the ice was not caused by my Golf's emissions. All I do know is that there has been a number of extreme weather cycles in the past, that can not be attributed to humans, and I suspect there will be again.
I think the point is that climate has historically changed slowly, what we appear to have at the moment is rapid climate change!
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Tel, if records began 10,000 years ago.. do you think we would be still having the wettests, driest etc spells since records began.... i certainly do not think so
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I have not once stated that things are not 'getting out of control'.
I am simply stating that the climate has changed in a number of ways over the thousands of years.....
On a note, Telboy' you look at gorges and valleys between mountains etc and most of these were caused by ice.. sometimes thousands of feet thick..now whilst I am not that old I do know that the ice was not caused by my Golf's emissions. All I do know is that there has been a number of extreme weather cycles in the past, that can not be attributed to humans, and I suspect there will be again.
I am simply stating that the climate has changed in a number of ways over the thousands of years.....
On a note, Telboy' you look at gorges and valleys between mountains etc and most of these were caused by ice.. sometimes thousands of feet thick..now whilst I am not that old I do know that the ice was not caused by my Golf's emissions. All I do know is that there has been a number of extreme weather cycles in the past, that can not be attributed to humans, and I suspect there will be again.
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No but - again - it's the rate at which they seem to be coming these days which alarms me. Maybe my perception is skewed, i don't know, but i reckon what we're seeing is cause for alarm, and action. Just my take on it.
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When are people gona learn,theres nothing any of us can do about climate change its always happend it will always happen,if we shut down the entire planet it would still happen so will all those know it alls give it up and get on with your life and let us get on with ours!!! Now all go out n rip up some tarmac
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And none of them can agree on anything
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Ok, I grant you that, Telboy, but unless everyone goes back to living in the middle ages then there is limited possibility of stopping the rate of change....
'cos lets be honest, who amongst us wants to go back to riding horses, growing our own food, and chopping our own firewood to keep us warm?
'cos lets be honest, who amongst us wants to go back to riding horses, growing our own food, and chopping our own firewood to keep us warm?
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Ok, I grant you that, Telboy, but unless everyone goes back to living in the middle ages then there is limited possibility of stopping the rate of change....
'cos lets be honest, who amongst us wants to go back to riding horses, growing our own food, and chopping our own firewood to keep us warm?
'cos lets be honest, who amongst us wants to go back to riding horses, growing our own food, and chopping our own firewood to keep us warm?
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Is that true? The overwelming majority appear to be in agreement on the basic theory, it just the extent to which this is going to impact upon us, is where the real scientific debate is now.
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I think a lot of people are less wateful now, but it's a shame that it's taken prohibitive prices to change energy usage patters for example.
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Well it depends who you believe doesn't it. Is CO2 the ultimate global conspiracy or not? That's where the main point of contention seems to lie. And i'm certainly not qualified to say whether it's the main factor or not. But to take the rainforests for example that have been mentioned, how will chopping down the area the size of the UK each and every year benefit the Earth? I just don't think we can keep getting away with it.
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Something like that, yes, Pete. Won't change my stance on that either! If you read a lot of stuff, how can you spell becoming like that? Just don't get it.