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19 September 2008, 11:46 AM
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19 September 2008, 11:47 AM
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The motivation issue worked in reverse for me: I had plenty of inherent motivation from primary (state) school through to O Levels (public school), but then it just seeped away through 6th Form (still public school) and reached its nadir at University where all I could be proud of was getting drunk every day on a 75% student grant (don't know how I was eligble for that!) and only racking up a 100 quid overdraft after 3 years.
Can't say I've picked up much motivation since then to be honest
Curious thing now is that both me and the missus went to the same school but only met 10 years after leaving. She had pretty much the same experience as I did, so we are undecided as to whether our 2 little ones should go down a similar route. I guess it also depends on your alternatives: if the local state schools are good and you're happy your kid won't end up selling drugs or stealing cars then stay with it. One point worth noting is that both of us pretty much lost contact with our local friends by attending a different school (not boarding).
19 September 2008, 11:48 AM
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You're, not your. I disagree. Having experienced both I can categorically state you receive a far far superior education at a fee paying school.
With regards to the trade-off that you mention Pete: I don't think that its nearly as marked now as it was in the 1970s and 80s. The old school public schools have changed massively and the prep schools have virtually disappeared.
With regards to the trade-off that you mention Pete: I don't think that its nearly as marked now as it was in the 1970s and 80s. The old school public schools have changed massively and the prep schools have virtually disappeared.
If they pay fees, my wife and I will breed/produce 20 children asap.
19 September 2008, 11:50 AM
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Come on, that's splitting hairs and you know it. Very few state schools ever make the Top 50 lists, and for those that do (i have two locally actually), the competition is ferocious for places.
19 September 2008, 11:55 AM
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Ps - I fail to see how the competition for places has any bearing on the School's ability to provide a good education, in the context of this discussion?
19 September 2008, 12:22 PM
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Funny how Grammar schools always do so brilliantly well .
Edit...slightly OT but O levels and CSE's should be revived.
Still can't get my head round GCSE's but it seems you get an awful lot of them when you leave school
Edit...slightly OT but O levels and CSE's should be revived.
Still can't get my head round GCSE's but it seems you get an awful lot of them when you leave school
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19 September 2008, 12:22 PM
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19 September 2008, 12:36 PM
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I am sure there is a mathematical forumla that shows that if you are going to correct grammar, spelling or sentence structure, you are absolutely guaranteed, no matter how hard you check, to make some form of mistake in the post that points out the error.
19 September 2008, 12:49 PM
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Whats the difference between Private and Public schools, have never had it quantified, I see Public as being the Eton type places and private beign your standard fee paying school.
My three are all at private school due to generous in-laws, we moved the two younger ones (we paid for that) during their time at primary as we werent happy with some aspects and could move them and the in-laws said they would sort the Secondary bit out.
Sometimes I think people raving about private education is down to justifying the spending and sacrifice, but there does seem to be a benefit, even to a sceptic like me who reckons 25 grand a year buys a lot of tuition, experiences and other things.
It does mean they mix with some very wealthy people which isnt always a good thing, but you dont tend to get the utter pond life, chav scum disruption no hopers hell bent on destroying any lesson.
My three are all at private school due to generous in-laws, we moved the two younger ones (we paid for that) during their time at primary as we werent happy with some aspects and could move them and the in-laws said they would sort the Secondary bit out.
Sometimes I think people raving about private education is down to justifying the spending and sacrifice, but there does seem to be a benefit, even to a sceptic like me who reckons 25 grand a year buys a lot of tuition, experiences and other things.
It does mean they mix with some very wealthy people which isnt always a good thing, but you dont tend to get the utter pond life, chav scum disruption no hopers hell bent on destroying any lesson.
19 September 2008, 01:04 PM
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Because it's not a "free choice" between the decent state schools and private schools. Your kid has to be pretty clever, or you have to have just the right postcode to get into a good state school. Very few kids "accidentally" end up at the decent state schools.
19 September 2008, 01:21 PM
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well the school I went to even taught on a saturday- imagine that..... couldn't believe it when I got my first job and it was only 5 days a week !
I did go to state school- struggled because I was bright and came from a quirky family. Parents were both teachers and wanted the best so off I went at 13 to public school
no doubt, they struggled hard to pay for the education though.
got 3 o levels aged 15, 10 GCSE's, 4 a levels. back when grades and they meant something- not like now when turning up and licking the GCSE paper gets you a "C" !!!!!
did then get another 2 a levels, a HND, a DIP HE, BA HONs degree.
always had very good professional jobs, work for a housing association currently. Never had a day out of work in 20 years.
when I bump into friends from my youth, the difference in houses/jobs, wealth and all that bolloxs we use to judge success is immense.
Of course there are a few friends who academically none of it was for them and they are minted through hard work and being genuises in their field, be it engineering, plumbing, printing, property etc --- hats off to them for taking those risks I never did to succeed so well.
I did go to state school- struggled because I was bright and came from a quirky family. Parents were both teachers and wanted the best so off I went at 13 to public school
no doubt, they struggled hard to pay for the education though.
got 3 o levels aged 15, 10 GCSE's, 4 a levels. back when grades and they meant something- not like now when turning up and licking the GCSE paper gets you a "C" !!!!!
did then get another 2 a levels, a HND, a DIP HE, BA HONs degree.
always had very good professional jobs, work for a housing association currently. Never had a day out of work in 20 years.
when I bump into friends from my youth, the difference in houses/jobs, wealth and all that bolloxs we use to judge success is immense.
Of course there are a few friends who academically none of it was for them and they are minted through hard work and being genuises in their field, be it engineering, plumbing, printing, property etc --- hats off to them for taking those risks I never did to succeed so well.
19 September 2008, 01:23 PM
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Public schools were open to public subscription at a time when many schools were not. This pre-dated the state school system and these schools would now be regarded as being private. The terms are completely interchangeable and without a separate definition.
Chris may be recalling his own school experiences, but they do not mirror my own.
Chris may be recalling his own school experiences, but they do not mirror my own.
19 September 2008, 01:26 PM
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It was a different world. Up at 7am, bed by 7:30pm. Schooling between 9am and 5:30pm and 12:30pm on a Saturday. Games every day too.....
19 September 2008, 01:35 PM
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19 September 2008, 02:05 PM
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I went to an all male public school in the sixties as a day student. Very Oxbridge orientated and frowned on anyone wanting to do engineering which my dad pushed me into. I don't think I got as much out of the place as I could have done probably because I just didn't appreciate what I had. Hard work mostly with lessons on Sat mornings before games in the afternoon - then sailing club on Sundays!
Interestingly I had about 4 or 5 mates who were bright but not really academic who went to work in the City as soon as they left school. Within a few years they were earning big bucks. Some got caught by Lloyds though.
When the Head retired they brought in a new chap who was academically brilliant. He was a bit "odd" though. Years later he was found out to be an alcoholic gay, last seen working as a barman in a London club.
My younger sister started off at a public school but her dad pulled her out and sent her to a grammar which he judged was offering a better education.
My kids went through state education at a mixed school. They both did well and there is no doubt relations with the opposite sex in their early years were so much more relaxed than my early encounters. dl
Interestingly I had about 4 or 5 mates who were bright but not really academic who went to work in the City as soon as they left school. Within a few years they were earning big bucks. Some got caught by Lloyds though.
When the Head retired they brought in a new chap who was academically brilliant. He was a bit "odd" though. Years later he was found out to be an alcoholic gay, last seen working as a barman in a London club.
My younger sister started off at a public school but her dad pulled her out and sent her to a grammar which he judged was offering a better education.
My kids went through state education at a mixed school. They both did well and there is no doubt relations with the opposite sex in their early years were so much more relaxed than my early encounters. dl
19 September 2008, 02:31 PM
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chapel at 8.30 every day- 6 days a week..... all those sports and staying after school to do them.
kids have no idea how easy 9.00 while 2.30/3.30 or whatever it is they do.
plus being beaten if you failed to hand in yr work/**** a teacher off etc etc.
say what you like, it knocks some ethics into you.
mind you I'd bring back national service in a flash too to sort the state of the pond life you see blubbering their way about on the streets.
19 September 2008, 02:33 PM
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Went to prep school and public school, definitely worth the education. Started late into prep school after I had started at a local secondary in a huge class and hadn't learnt a thing (and I do mean nothing, sitting at the back of the class getting angry) due to the absolute dire teaching and application of the syllabus.
My parents made the decision to take me out of state education and put their cash into getting me into a prep school, the difference was amazing, smaller classes (12-14 people max per class as opposed to 20-30) better methods of teaching and the availability of personal tutors to help me catch up with everyone else, plus the teachers seemed really enthusiastic about doing their jobs, on the whole.
My parents made the decision to take me out of state education and put their cash into getting me into a prep school, the difference was amazing, smaller classes (12-14 people max per class as opposed to 20-30) better methods of teaching and the availability of personal tutors to help me catch up with everyone else, plus the teachers seemed really enthusiastic about doing their jobs, on the whole.
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19 September 2008, 03:56 PM
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I was at private school from the age of 4-16.
as said earlier you get a good education, though our years GCSE results in 1990 when we left weren't that good IMO, I was happy with my results though, but worked hard for them.
the only downside for me is not having any friends locally wher I lived... as everyone else went to the local comp, I knew nobody and didn't have that social mix. All those i went to school with lived in diferent area's of nottingham and not near me
billy no mates Phil
as said earlier you get a good education, though our years GCSE results in 1990 when we left weren't that good IMO, I was happy with my results though, but worked hard for them.
the only downside for me is not having any friends locally wher I lived... as everyone else went to the local comp, I knew nobody and didn't have that social mix. All those i went to school with lived in diferent area's of nottingham and not near me
billy no mates Phil
19 September 2008, 04:08 PM
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Public schools were open to public subscription at a time when many schools were not. This pre-dated the state school system and these schools would now be regarded as being private. The terms are completely interchangeable and without a separate definition.
Chris may be recalling his own school experiences, but they do not mirror my own.
Chris may be recalling his own school experiences, but they do not mirror my own.
Private schools are simply that, they operate outside the state-funded system and fees are paid for places. Anybody who can afford it can apply for a place, whether they are thick as a plank or Einstein's doppleganger. To stay in business we can assume the schools must offer a higher level of education than your average state-funded dump.
Public schools are also generally fee-paying but also offer bursaries for gifted children without the financial means to attend otherwise. Entrance examinations are the norm, and failure to pass these exams will result in no place being offered irrespective of ability to pay.
So Public schools are definitely top of the heap where academic achievement is concerned.
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19 September 2008, 04:10 PM
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One downside is the kids friends tend to be a bit posh, cant leave the Wardrobe open as they **** of through it for months, the posh little *****.
J4ckos mate reckons I think I am posher than I actually am, I am however, just like him, exceptionally coarse and common, its just I hide it better
J4ckos mate reckons I think I am posher than I actually am, I am however, just like him, exceptionally coarse and common, its just I hide it better
19 September 2008, 04:28 PM
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Not true.
Private schools are simply that, they operate outside the state-funded system and fees are paid for places. Anybody who can afford it can apply for a place, whether they are thick as a plank or Einstein's doppleganger. To stay in business we can assume the schools must offer a higher level of education than your average state-funded dump.
Public schools are also generally fee-paying but also offer bursaries for gifted children without the financial means to attend otherwise. Entrance examinations are the norm, and failure to pass these exams will result in no place being offered irrespective of ability to pay.
So Public schools are definitely top of the heap where academic achievement is concerned.
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Private schools are simply that, they operate outside the state-funded system and fees are paid for places. Anybody who can afford it can apply for a place, whether they are thick as a plank or Einstein's doppleganger. To stay in business we can assume the schools must offer a higher level of education than your average state-funded dump.
Public schools are also generally fee-paying but also offer bursaries for gifted children without the financial means to attend otherwise. Entrance examinations are the norm, and failure to pass these exams will result in no place being offered irrespective of ability to pay.
So Public schools are definitely top of the heap where academic achievement is concerned.
Kevin
Lets leave aside the the actual source of the name, which I stated correctly. The Public Schools Act 1868 initially defined nine schools as such: Charterhouse School, Eton College, Harrow School, Merchant Taylors' School, Rugby School, Shrewsbury School, St Paul's School, Westminster School and Winchester College. Strictly the only public schools are the dozen or so, so-described in the amended act. At the time other established independent schools sought to associate themselves with the schools listed; and the term came to be used colloquially to describe all fee charging schools of that type.