Essex Police - Making your community angry!
22 September 2008, 07:54 PM
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The police, either they're doing a good thing or their not. They can't win. Its not an easy job.
For noobs to say, they were bullied at school and need to get a better job or grow up is just stupid, and become more and more of a cliche.
If YOU break the law they have to act especially in today's society of number crunching and chasing detections. Granted they could have given you a VDRS to get your car fixed within a certain period of time, but that would still cost you money.
The law is there for a reason, of course you are going to be angry because you've got a ticket, but that's what you get. You were the one driving with the cracked windscreen. You should of got it fixed sooner, saying you planned to fix it at the end of the month, lets them know you were aware of the problem, and decided to ignore it.
Its hash I know, I've been stung a couple of time, but it all boiled down to being my fault.
For noobs to say, they were bullied at school and need to get a better job or grow up is just stupid, and become more and more of a cliche.
If YOU break the law they have to act especially in today's society of number crunching and chasing detections. Granted they could have given you a VDRS to get your car fixed within a certain period of time, but that would still cost you money.
The law is there for a reason, of course you are going to be angry because you've got a ticket, but that's what you get. You were the one driving with the cracked windscreen. You should of got it fixed sooner, saying you planned to fix it at the end of the month, lets them know you were aware of the problem, and decided to ignore it.
Its hash I know, I've been stung a couple of time, but it all boiled down to being my fault.
22 September 2008, 08:55 PM
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I had my numberplates damaged and smashed so I whacked on a 3D Font plate for the front and drove to get new plates made up. As it was either this or no front plate.
On returning with my new plates to my car with the new front numberplate in hand a policeman was about to write a fine for me, I explained the situation and showed him in hand a brand new numberplate and explained I knew my show plates didn't conform but it was either that or no plate.
(No transport from my tiny village ie. buses so I need to drive the car)
Anyway he didn't care and issued a fine.
Now this is the fun part... I got stopped again before I got home and another fine even though again I showed him plates and ticket.
2 tickets for plates... oh the joy.
On returning with my new plates to my car with the new front numberplate in hand a policeman was about to write a fine for me, I explained the situation and showed him in hand a brand new numberplate and explained I knew my show plates didn't conform but it was either that or no plate.
(No transport from my tiny village ie. buses so I need to drive the car)
Anyway he didn't care and issued a fine.
Now this is the fun part... I got stopped again before I got home and another fine even though again I showed him plates and ticket.
2 tickets for plates... oh the joy.
22 September 2008, 08:55 PM
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I thought i was quite well behaved to be honest.....i couldn't help giving some sarcastic answers to some of his questions though! I kind of got the feeling he was trying to catch me out on something, he was constantly asking the same questions but in different words (if that makes sense )
Thats probably why you earned yourself a ticket. The more mature driver would have probably walked away with a verbal warning. The memory of your ticket may remind you to alter your sarcastic answers next time you are stopped. Best of luck
Thats probably why you earned yourself a ticket. The more mature driver would have probably walked away with a verbal warning. The memory of your ticket may remind you to alter your sarcastic answers next time you are stopped. Best of luck
sometimes you just can't help yourself mate, doesn't matter how 'mature' you might be 
22 September 2008, 09:04 PM
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The police, either they're doing a good thing or their not. They can't win. Its not an easy job.
For noobs to say, they were bullied at school and need to get a better job or grow up is just stupid, and become more and more of a cliche.
If YOU break the law they have to act especially in today's society of number crunching and chasing detections. Granted they could have given you a VDRS to get your car fixed within a certain period of time, but that would still cost you money.
The law is there for a reason, of course you are going to be angry because you've got a ticket, but that's what you get. You were the one driving with the cracked windscreen. You should of got it fixed sooner, saying you planned to fix it at the end of the month, lets them know you were aware of the problem, and decided to ignore it.
Its hash I know, I've been stung a couple of time, but it all boiled down to being my fault.
For noobs to say, they were bullied at school and need to get a better job or grow up is just stupid, and become more and more of a cliche.
If YOU break the law they have to act especially in today's society of number crunching and chasing detections. Granted they could have given you a VDRS to get your car fixed within a certain period of time, but that would still cost you money.
The law is there for a reason, of course you are going to be angry because you've got a ticket, but that's what you get. You were the one driving with the cracked windscreen. You should of got it fixed sooner, saying you planned to fix it at the end of the month, lets them know you were aware of the problem, and decided to ignore it.
Its hash I know, I've been stung a couple of time, but it all boiled down to being my fault.
The only point i was trying to make was the fact that he was being so picky. Like people have said earlier, surely the police have something better to do with their time - he could have issued me with a ticket to get it fixed/replaced within 7 days.
I personally don't think there was any need for 3 points and £60
22 September 2008, 09:06 PM
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Noobyscooby, sorry you have a bad opinion of the old bill, but the simple fact is they do save lives, but I know personally of four occasions in the last 12 months were officers I work with have been covered in victims blood trying to save life, before either the paramedics, or the fire brigade have been on scene.
As far as turning off the blues and twos, if your cancelled by radio or computer dispatch from an emergency call, then you should return to driving in a none response way. The car is only a means to deliver the officer to a job, it isn't the job itself. I know from other comments made over the years the unexplained reversion to normal driving causes an awful lot of adverse comment from the public who are unaware of the reason.
By not moving out of the way, your not making a point, what your actually doing is slowing them from whatever it is they are going to, be it a child missing from home, or somebody threatening suicide, or a large pub fight. In anyone of these situations the seconds delay you wilfully cause could be the vital difference for somebody else.
Like all jobs there are good and bad, please don't ignore all the fantastic work that officers do, just because of the escapades of the very small minoity of idiots, the police in general resent them just as much as you do.
As far as turning off the blues and twos, if your cancelled by radio or computer dispatch from an emergency call, then you should return to driving in a none response way. The car is only a means to deliver the officer to a job, it isn't the job itself. I know from other comments made over the years the unexplained reversion to normal driving causes an awful lot of adverse comment from the public who are unaware of the reason.
By not moving out of the way, your not making a point, what your actually doing is slowing them from whatever it is they are going to, be it a child missing from home, or somebody threatening suicide, or a large pub fight. In anyone of these situations the seconds delay you wilfully cause could be the vital difference for somebody else.
Like all jobs there are good and bad, please don't ignore all the fantastic work that officers do, just because of the escapades of the very small minoity of idiots, the police in general resent them just as much as you do.
22 September 2008, 09:16 PM
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Noobyscooby, sorry you have a bad opinion of the old bill, but the simple fact is they do save lives, but I know personally of four occasions in the last 12 months were officers I work with have been covered in victims blood trying to save life, before either the paramedics, or the fire brigade have been on scene.
As far as turning off the blues and twos, if your cancelled by radio or computer dispatch from an emergency call, then you should return to driving in a none response way. The car is only a means to deliver the officer to a job, it isn't the job itself. I know from other comments made over the years the unexplained reversion to normal driving causes an awful lot of adverse comment from the public who are unaware of the reason.
As far as turning off the blues and twos, if your cancelled by radio or computer dispatch from an emergency call, then you should return to driving in a none response way. The car is only a means to deliver the officer to a job, it isn't the job itself. I know from other comments made over the years the unexplained reversion to normal driving causes an awful lot of adverse comment from the public who are unaware of the reason.
I agree to all of the above BUT why would a police car need blues/twos BACK to the station? i see this regulary near work/east london police station.
22 September 2008, 09:58 PM
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By not moving out of the way, your not making a point, what your actually doing is slowing them from whatever it is they are going to, be it a child missing from home, or somebody threatening suicide, or a large pub fight. In anyone of these situations the seconds delay you wilfully cause could be the vital difference for somebody else.
Wont get drawn into an argument here but next time I get a fine for moving out of the way into a bus lane etc are you going to pay my fine. Didnt think so. I admire what the police do, my sister is a pc at harlow btw but the law needs to be far more clear on moving over for blue lights. I am no longer willing to risk my licence and livelyhood of my family for delaying police by 10 seconds.
Wont get drawn into an argument here but next time I get a fine for moving out of the way into a bus lane etc are you going to pay my fine. Didnt think so. I admire what the police do, my sister is a pc at harlow btw but the law needs to be far more clear on moving over for blue lights. I am no longer willing to risk my licence and livelyhood of my family for delaying police by 10 seconds.
23 September 2008, 12:03 AM
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By not moving out of the way, your not making a point, what your actually doing is slowing them from whatever it is they are going to, be it a child missing from home, or somebody threatening suicide, or a large pub fight. In anyone of these situations the seconds delay you wilfully cause could be the vital difference for somebody else.
Wont get drawn into an argument here but next time I get a fine for moving out of the way into a bus lane etc are you going to pay my fine. Didnt think so. I admire what the police do, my sister is a pc at harlow btw but the law needs to be far more clear on moving over for blue lights. I am no longer willing to risk my licence and livelyhood of my family for delaying police by 10 seconds.
Wont get drawn into an argument here but next time I get a fine for moving out of the way into a bus lane etc are you going to pay my fine. Didnt think so. I admire what the police do, my sister is a pc at harlow btw but the law needs to be far more clear on moving over for blue lights. I am no longer willing to risk my licence and livelyhood of my family for delaying police by 10 seconds.
In certain circumstances I would consider jumping a light for an ambulance or fire-engine, thats not because I'm anti-police, just that they are more likely to be involved in a life threatening emergency.
The authorities should have the discretion to overturn tickets issued if it is proved that you assisted emergency services - IIRC you can proceed through a red light if directed to do so by a police officer .
23 September 2008, 01:10 AM
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The authorities should have the discretion to overturn tickets issued if it is proved that you assisted emergency services - IIRC you can proceed through a red light if directed to do so by a police officer .[/QUOTE]
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23 September 2008, 11:05 AM
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To an RV point at the police station....To assist with a violent prisoner....To gather public order protective equipment to be redeployed in a different vehicle........... To pick up a specially trained resourcer to transport them to a critical incident?
Just a few suggestions.
23 September 2008, 11:06 AM
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back to the nick?
Spec c57 there can be a whole host of reasons, I've seen the crack & alcohol crazed trying to smash their head against the cell door, they have to be restrained to stop them killing themselves. Nobody drives needlessly on blues & two's, the sanctions both internal & external don't make it worth the risk
The key differences between the Fire Brigade, the Ambulance Service & the Police are 1. FB & AS are re-active, that is to say they are held at a location waiting for a call. The Police are pro-active i.e patrolling looking for the work, 2. sheer size, the Police service is huge in comparison with either of its two emergency service partners. For these two reasons the police are likely to be first on scene at many life critical incidents, ie nearer the call, and more units free to respond.
As far as the bus lane incident, why didn't you go for the court option? no court is going to convict you in the circumstances you describe
The key differences between the Fire Brigade, the Ambulance Service & the Police are 1. FB & AS are re-active, that is to say they are held at a location waiting for a call. The Police are pro-active i.e patrolling looking for the work, 2. sheer size, the Police service is huge in comparison with either of its two emergency service partners. For these two reasons the police are likely to be first on scene at many life critical incidents, ie nearer the call, and more units free to respond.
As far as the bus lane incident, why didn't you go for the court option? no court is going to convict you in the circumstances you describe
23 September 2008, 03:49 PM
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Whilst respecting the views expressed.... the bottom line is in some cases an officer decides to waste an hour of his/her life trying to find something to justify the "pull". So bored or whatever they pull a car to bits to find a defect, usually like-threatening. It's petty and alienates the very public they need the support of 
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Whilst pikeys, etc., "cruises" around in un-insured scrappers oblivious to any laws, if you have a legal vehicle you are just a cash cow for the system.
I'm off to lie down now !
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. Whilst pikeys, etc., "cruises" around in un-insured scrappers oblivious to any laws, if you have a legal vehicle you are just a cash cow for the system.
I'm off to lie down now !
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24 September 2008, 03:41 PM
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A mate of mine had a similar situation where they began going over his lightly modified car and began getting really picky. My mate had enough after a while and decided to have a look around the officers car. To his suprise there was a chip in their screen right infront of the driver and had 2 very worn front tyres, he pointed this out to them and that was how it was left, they got back in their car and off they went a little embarassed.
24 September 2008, 03:54 PM
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metropolitan police are ****ing arseholes too
i got pulled over by a ****ing firearms unit other night started chasing me in a black 57 plate bmw m5 ryt up my **** all blacked out thought i was guna get a beating then their reason " obstruction at traffic lights" i didnt see they had changed to green.
mr clever ex army traniee policeman who was giving it the mouth to me f'ing and blinding at me when i was act polite for once and made me and my passengers stand in line on the kurb as if i was a criminal and we all had to hold our ID out for him to see now has a nice complaint against his name now good luk with the traning arsehole
just read post above i also pointed out that they had a brakelight that wasnt working but he said they were on their way back to change it so it didnt matter il remmebr that one next time
i got pulled over by a ****ing firearms unit other night started chasing me in a black 57 plate bmw m5 ryt up my **** all blacked out thought i was guna get a beating then their reason " obstruction at traffic lights" i didnt see they had changed to green.
mr clever ex army traniee policeman who was giving it the mouth to me f'ing and blinding at me when i was act polite for once and made me and my passengers stand in line on the kurb as if i was a criminal and we all had to hold our ID out for him to see now has a nice complaint against his name now good luk with the traning arsehole
just read post above i also pointed out that they had a brakelight that wasnt working but he said they were on their way back to change it so it didnt matter il remmebr that one next time
24 September 2008, 04:11 PM
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I'd pay it.
Its not worth trying to screw them. They'll come down on you like a ton of bricks.
If you've done nothing wrong (as it implies in your story), its human nature to contest the ticket and question PC JW. However, you will very quickly realise that it won't be worth it.
Take it from me. They'll flag your car up and you'll get hassled a lot more. As well as ensuring YOU get screwed in court, if you decide to take this matter further. They WILL close ranks, no matter how nice the first policeman was.
Plus, due to the nature of a select few Impreza owners...i.e. the ****** who turn up to cruises in matalan carparks and precede to 'do sum do-nuts' ...us decent folk who love the car as a driving machine will ALWAYS be penalised in a way that the police will always make the assumption that all Scooby owners are ******.
Its not worth trying to screw them. They'll come down on you like a ton of bricks.
If you've done nothing wrong (as it implies in your story), its human nature to contest the ticket and question PC JW. However, you will very quickly realise that it won't be worth it.
Take it from me. They'll flag your car up and you'll get hassled a lot more. As well as ensuring YOU get screwed in court, if you decide to take this matter further. They WILL close ranks, no matter how nice the first policeman was.
Plus, due to the nature of a select few Impreza owners...i.e. the ****** who turn up to cruises in matalan carparks and precede to 'do sum do-nuts'
...us decent folk who love the car as a driving machine will ALWAYS be penalised in a way that the police will always make the assumption that all Scooby owners are ******.
24 September 2008, 09:17 PM
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I'd pay it.
Plus, due to the nature of a select few Impreza owners...i.e. the ****** who turn up to cruises in matalan carparks and precede to 'do sum do-nuts' ...us decent folk who love the car as a driving machine will ALWAYS be penalised in a way that the police will always make the assumption that all Scooby owners are ******.
Plus, due to the nature of a select few Impreza owners...i.e. the ****** who turn up to cruises in matalan carparks and precede to 'do sum do-nuts'
...us decent folk who love the car as a driving machine will ALWAYS be penalised in a way that the police will always make the assumption that all Scooby owners are ******.Maybe I've been lucky, or maybe I drive sensibly perhaps and not give them cause to stop me.
just a suggestion
Also, take a look at this which is a simple way of explaining that your attitude will affect somebody else's attitude and vice versa:
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24 September 2008, 10:06 PM
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There has just been a story in the paper round here that the cops on the ground are not happy with the amount of tickets they are having to give out for stupid little indiscretions rather than doing proper investigations into 'real' crime due to the way the top brass work out performance figures.
24 September 2008, 11:13 PM
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Most posts sticking up for Plod mention serious offences/crimes whereas the original poster got clobbered for a cracked windscreen. This is without doubt a totally trivial issue that the OP was aware of and intended to rectify in the not too distant future as he told the little Hitler. I imagine if the OP had realised the truly heinous nature of his crime then he would have declared SORN until such time as his car could be rendered safe to use again.
I want to appreciate and respect the Police, but in the 25 years I have been on the road they have managed to erode any goodwill I may have had with their petty, small-minded attitude to trivial offenses that help them to hit their targets and bugger all else, whilst failing to deal with genuinely serious issues because it's frankly too much trouble.
At one time (I tend to think this was before 1997 for obvious reasons) the Police appeared to be truly independent, as they should be, but now they operate as if they are just another Government department and the Chief Constables a bunch of civil servants.
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I want to appreciate and respect the Police, but in the 25 years I have been on the road they have managed to erode any goodwill I may have had with their petty, small-minded attitude to trivial offenses that help them to hit their targets and bugger all else, whilst failing to deal with genuinely serious issues because it's frankly too much trouble.
At one time (I tend to think this was before 1997 for obvious reasons) the Police appeared to be truly independent, as they should be, but now they operate as if they are just another Government department and the Chief Constables a bunch of civil servants.
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24 September 2008, 11:28 PM
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The fact is the police service has got a bad name because it's just gets worse and worse. Full of jumped up little runts that think they've been ordained with the power of god.
Is there any wonder they are hated when as the fella who posted about the show plates being put on whilst he nipped home got the correct docs and went to get some more made still gets a ticket.
These tossers need to learn about discression then and only then would they get a better name and some respect from Joe public.
As for these jumped up arseholes that think they are gods gift. They can, in the immortal words of Cartman, Suck my *****!!!
All this BS about talking to them nicely and treating them with respect. The fact is some of them are arseholes for the fun of it. The OP had spoken to the first officer with courtesy and respect and the matter was dealt with. Then one of these tossers gets out and starts to dish out the treatment.
I bet this second copper would not have made the original height requirements and he counted his lucky stars when that was abolished.
Is there any wonder they are hated when as the fella who posted about the show plates being put on whilst he nipped home got the correct docs and went to get some more made still gets a ticket.
These tossers need to learn about discression then and only then would they get a better name and some respect from Joe public.
As for these jumped up arseholes that think they are gods gift. They can, in the immortal words of Cartman, Suck my *****!!!
All this BS about talking to them nicely and treating them with respect. The fact is some of them are arseholes for the fun of it. The OP had spoken to the first officer with courtesy and respect and the matter was dealt with. Then one of these tossers gets out and starts to dish out the treatment.
I bet this second copper would not have made the original height requirements and he counted his lucky stars when that was abolished.
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24 September 2008, 11:36 PM
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Absolute class even funnier when you can remember the original.
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I, personally have never had a problem with the law been pulled up twice in nearly 3 years in the scoob, once for little front number plate and once for a driving licence spot check, both times the police were both courteous and yes they did ask a couple of "trap" intended questions, but with nothing to hide i didnt mind answering them.
I was told by the numberplate inspector to get it changed that day (which i did) and was told by the licence checker "thanks for stopping and have a good day"
no dramas, no crisis !!
i do however feel sorry for those that do get picked on and handed out some sort of non constructive fine. if i had been fined for the number plate, id have probably left it on to get my moneys worth !!!!
there is good and bad in all professions, best to keep yer head down and tow the line !!
I was told by the numberplate inspector to get it changed that day (which i did) and was told by the licence checker "thanks for stopping and have a good day"
no dramas, no crisis !!
i do however feel sorry for those that do get picked on and handed out some sort of non constructive fine. if i had been fined for the number plate, id have probably left it on to get my moneys worth !!!!
there is good and bad in all professions, best to keep yer head down and tow the line !!
25 September 2008, 11:00 AM
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Spec c57 there can be a whole host of reasons, I've seen the crack & alcohol crazed trying to smash their head against the cell door, they have to be restrained to stop them killing themselves. Nobody drives needlessly on blues & two's, the sanctions both internal & external don't make it worth the risk
The key differences between the Fire Brigade, the Ambulance Service & the Police are 1. FB & AS are re-active, that is to say they are held at a location waiting for a call. The Police are pro-active i.e patrolling looking for the work, 2. sheer size, the Police service is huge in comparison with either of its two emergency service partners. For these two reasons the police are likely to be first on scene at many life critical incidents, ie nearer the call, and more units free to respond.
As far as the bus lane incident, why didn't you go for the court option? no court is going to convict you in the circumstances you describe
The key differences between the Fire Brigade, the Ambulance Service & the Police are 1. FB & AS are re-active, that is to say they are held at a location waiting for a call. The Police are pro-active i.e patrolling looking for the work, 2. sheer size, the Police service is huge in comparison with either of its two emergency service partners. For these two reasons the police are likely to be first on scene at many life critical incidents, ie nearer the call, and more units free to respond.
As far as the bus lane incident, why didn't you go for the court option? no court is going to convict you in the circumstances you describe
It just so happened that we were going to the same takeaway for tea, so he was speeding to get his curry!
I collared him in the carpark and told him i was making a complaint cos he took the pi55 driving like that, he laughed and said CPS would NEVER believe a civilian over a copper with 3 years experience!
This is another example of why all coppers are tw@s!
P.S i have loads more examples!
25 September 2008, 12:55 PM
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At least the Hampshire police have a sence of humour
I wonder why his femail counterpart has such a big grin on her face
(look at the bus exhaust)
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I wonder why his femail counterpart has such a big grin on her face
(look at the bus exhaust)
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25 September 2008, 01:17 PM
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Bit of a sweeping and unjustified statement there mate !
Unless of course you are making this statement based on PERSONALLY knowing ALL 170,000 Police Officers in England and Wales ? In which case, it must be 169,999 as you don't know me
Unless of course you are making this statement based on PERSONALLY knowing ALL 170,000 Police Officers in England and Wales ? In which case, it must be 169,999 as you don't know me
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It is sweeping and unjustified, but unfortunately imbeciles like that can undo more in two minutes than a decent bloke can achieve in weeks and weeks...
Its far from uncommon too, in my experience.
Its far from uncommon too, in my experience.
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There are halfwits in all walks of life. Sometimes they occupy seats of power and we suffer at their hands.
No point in condemning an entire profession on the basis of a few bad apples.
I don't see the point in lowering my standards for the weaklings with low standards.
When I encounter jobsworths I simply act as professionally as possible so as not to lower my standards nor react to their nonsense.
Just my tuppence worth
No point in condemning an entire profession on the basis of a few bad apples.
I don't see the point in lowering my standards for the weaklings with low standards.
When I encounter jobsworths I simply act as professionally as possible so as not to lower my standards nor react to their nonsense.
Just my tuppence worth
25 September 2008, 03:00 PM
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Most posts sticking up for Plod mention serious offences/crimes whereas the original poster got clobbered for a cracked windscreen. This is without doubt a totally trivial issue that the OP was aware of and intended to rectify in the not too distant future as he told the little Hitler. I imagine if the OP had realised the truly heinous nature of his crime then he would have declared SORN until such time as his car could be rendered safe to use again.