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14 October 2008, 04:17 PM
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Going to War over Religion is basically killing one another to see who's got the better imaginary friend..
Give a man a fish, you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a Religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.(ricky gervais)
Give him a Religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.(ricky gervais)
10 reasons why beer is better than Religion...
1. You can prove you have a beer
2. there are laws saying beer labels can't lie to you
3. you don't have to wait 2000+ years for another beer
4. nobody's ever been burned, hanged or tortured over his brand of beer
5. when you have a beer, you don't knock on people's doors trying to give it away
6. they don't force beer on minors, who can't think for themselves
7. no beer has ever caused a major war
8. beer doesn't tell you how to have sex
9. no one will kill you for not drinking beer
10. if you've devoted your life to beer, there are groups to help you stop
1. You can prove you have a beer
2. there are laws saying beer labels can't lie to you
3. you don't have to wait 2000+ years for another beer
4. nobody's ever been burned, hanged or tortured over his brand of beer
5. when you have a beer, you don't knock on people's doors trying to give it away
6. they don't force beer on minors, who can't think for themselves
7. no beer has ever caused a major war
8. beer doesn't tell you how to have sex
9. no one will kill you for not drinking beer
10. if you've devoted your life to beer, there are groups to help you stop
16 October 2008, 01:48 PM
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Exactly Les.
I'm not saying their is anything wrong with having a belief in God / religion or being of no religious persuasion is any different, on the contrary I think in todays society if we could all be more responsible for our individual actions and also those of our children (where applicable) that the world would be a better place all round.
Unfortunately it is all to apparent that we live in a society that is seeing these basic principles such as respect, courtesy, good manners etc being constantly erroded........... you could argue that this due to a lack of religous belief or conversley argue that it is due to a general lack of standards and so called "do gooders" who stand up for a minority and only succeed in making life a misery for the greater majority.
You only have to look back 30 years to see how quickly things have changed - 30 yrs ago most kids wouldn't say boo to a policeman, teacher etc...... now kids couldn't care less who you are, position of authority or not!
We live in a nanny state, rulings made on behalf of a small minority are then exploited by the masses - case in point the pupil teacher relationship. We would all agree that young people should not be abused or punished in such a way that it is bordering on physical abuse but by the same token teachers are unable to touch children unless it is in self defense or to break up a fight..............
One of my wifes colleagues is in court soon.... why? Because her daughter punched her in the face, in response and purely as a gut reaction she slapped her daughter. Daughter rings the Police lodges a complaint - because she is a minor (15 yrs old) her mother is now appearing in caught charged with assaulting a minor.
The mothers counter claim for assault was almost overlooked as a joke, who should care that she had a face full of blood after her daughter bust her nose!!?? Now the mother is adamant she will not back down and that she wants her daughter to face the judge and see how big she really is when the chips are down - factor in the Mother has photographic evidence taken by the police of a bust nose, top lip, black eye, bruised cheek etc.
The daughter had nothing, not even a red hand mark!
It will be interesting to see the outcome.
But what I am getting at is this - would you have even thought to punch your mother / father in the face because you were not getting your own way?? I know I wouldn't, or should I say I wouldn't have dared to.
So is it a case of society is going down the drain or we lack belief?
Whichever it is I know this for sure, things need to improve and fast!
GB
I'm not saying their is anything wrong with having a belief in God / religion or being of no religious persuasion is any different, on the contrary I think in todays society if we could all be more responsible for our individual actions and also those of our children (where applicable) that the world would be a better place all round.
Unfortunately it is all to apparent that we live in a society that is seeing these basic principles such as respect, courtesy, good manners etc being constantly erroded........... you could argue that this due to a lack of religous belief or conversley argue that it is due to a general lack of standards and so called "do gooders" who stand up for a minority and only succeed in making life a misery for the greater majority.
You only have to look back 30 years to see how quickly things have changed - 30 yrs ago most kids wouldn't say boo to a policeman, teacher etc...... now kids couldn't care less who you are, position of authority or not!
We live in a nanny state, rulings made on behalf of a small minority are then exploited by the masses - case in point the pupil teacher relationship. We would all agree that young people should not be abused or punished in such a way that it is bordering on physical abuse but by the same token teachers are unable to touch children unless it is in self defense or to break up a fight..............
One of my wifes colleagues is in court soon.... why? Because her daughter punched her in the face, in response and purely as a gut reaction she slapped her daughter. Daughter rings the Police lodges a complaint - because she is a minor (15 yrs old) her mother is now appearing in caught charged with assaulting a minor.
The mothers counter claim for assault was almost overlooked as a joke, who should care that she had a face full of blood after her daughter bust her nose!!?? Now the mother is adamant she will not back down and that she wants her daughter to face the judge and see how big she really is when the chips are down - factor in the Mother has photographic evidence taken by the police of a bust nose, top lip, black eye, bruised cheek etc.
The daughter had nothing, not even a red hand mark!
It will be interesting to see the outcome.
But what I am getting at is this - would you have even thought to punch your mother / father in the face because you were not getting your own way?? I know I wouldn't, or should I say I wouldn't have dared to.
So is it a case of society is going down the drain or we lack belief?
Whichever it is I know this for sure, things need to improve and fast!
GB
Moral standards have dropped seriously in general in recent years. I think a lot of that has been caused by the examples set to us by our leaders. If people see politicians taking advantage and fiddling as well as getting plum jobs after having been sacked for poor or dishonest behaviour, then that is going to rub off unfortunately.
We have lost so much of the safeguards of a proper family life now due greatly to modern policies and so many parents seem to be too selfish or ignorant to bother to give their children a good upbringing.
It will be very difficult and will take years to reverse this if it is ever possible in fact.
Les
16 October 2008, 03:40 PM
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If you put the same amount of effort in to trying to believe in Unicorns, you'll probably succeed in that as well.
16 October 2008, 03:46 PM
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When Hawkings, for example, talks of knowing the mind of god, it isn't the supernatural, capitalised God of the bible to which he refers, but rather the poetic god of the enlightenment. The god that, in three letters and one syllable, neatly encompasses all that is. Said god is also very handy for offering up an expression of pre-singularity (in a deistic sense).
Whilst I take your point, I would ask you to define god before asking me whether I believed in it or not. Dawkins accuses Einstein, Hawkings and others of intellectual high-treason for making reference to god, but I'd argue that it's the reader's responsibilty to enquire as to the definition.
16 October 2008, 03:48 PM
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16 October 2008, 04:12 PM
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16 October 2008, 04:14 PM
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Les, every time there is a thread like this you are always up there defending your beliefs, respect to you mate 
It's odd that there are so many of us that are prepared to argue (often vociferously) against religeon, using the arguement that religeons tell people what to believe when indeed it is also us telling people what to believe... Is not believeing becoming a religeon in its own right? Or am I talking twaddle as usual... Live and let live I say
It's odd that there are so many of us that are prepared to argue (often vociferously) against religeon, using the arguement that religeons tell people what to believe when indeed it is also us telling people what to believe... Is not believeing becoming a religeon in its own right? Or am I talking twaddle as usual... Live and let live I say
16 October 2008, 04:32 PM
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There is no "Church of Atheism". Atheists don't get together on Sundays to not sing hymns or preach to each other. They don't believe in a higher power or a devine creator. I just a lot of people with a single thing in common, the lack of a belief in deities, that's it.
16 October 2008, 04:44 PM
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I'll go for twaddle.
There is no "Church of Atheism". Atheists don't get together on Sundays to not sing hymns or preach to each other. They don't believe in a higher power or a devine creator. I just a lot of people with a single thing in common, the lack of a belief in deities, that's it.
There is no "Church of Atheism". Atheists don't get together on Sundays to not sing hymns or preach to each other. They don't believe in a higher power or a devine creator. I just a lot of people with a single thing in common, the lack of a belief in deities, that's it.
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16 October 2008, 08:40 PM
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I don't think agnostic means what you think it means. Pretty much everybody is agnostic. Those that claim to be gnostic, tend to be the fundamentalists at either end of the theistic spectrum. If you believe in any god at all, you're a theist, if you don't believe in any gods at all, you're an atheist. That's all there is to it.
This pretty much sums it up for me
What Is An Agnostic?
17 October 2008, 09:41 AM
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17 October 2008, 10:15 AM
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17 October 2008, 10:16 AM
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17 October 2008, 10:35 AM
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I myself would rather believe the events in the Da-Vinci code book, than the events in the bible, a lot more credible, and realistic.
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17 October 2008, 12:58 PM
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How many translations since the first writings?
There is a movie called "Lost in translation.", makes the point very clearly.
I've read many "versions" of "the" Bible, the Quran too, etc, spoken to many people's from various "faiths", all "believe" their faith to be the truth. Shame none can agree, but for one thing, they believe there is a "God".
There is a movie called "Lost in translation.", makes the point very clearly.
I've read many "versions" of "the" Bible, the Quran too, etc, spoken to many people's from various "faiths", all "believe" their faith to be the truth. Shame none can agree, but for one thing, they believe there is a "God".
17 October 2008, 01:21 PM
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Why cant people defer all the god stuff until the end of their lives, at that point it will be as I suspect goodnight Vienna, nothing, gone etc or white lights and all your dead realives to meet you, buffet, few drinks and your own cloud ?
In the meantime dont worry about it, there are so many versions of the "Truth" and so many prepared to follow it to the letter on the off chance they were right, imagine all Muslims getting to heaven having never had a pint and God says "Right Mohammed, good to see you, anyway, what you having, my shout ?" or Avi a Jewish fella, good faithful Jew for 90 years arrives to find God and his mates sat round eating Bacon butties ?
Ok, we need some consequences, so hedge your bets and dont get a **** as perhaps before you get to the family buffet with dead grandparents and the like you may have to go through a sort of Appraisal, like at work only a bit longer and liable to make you squirm even more.
In the meantime, get on with it, enjoy it and dont spend too much time womdering about it, praying or other such nonesense, how would you feel if as the creator of all that we have around us your creations spent all the time in gloomy buildings telling you how great you are when really you should be out in the sun, sniffing the flowers and f*cking like beasts ?
In the meantime dont worry about it, there are so many versions of the "Truth" and so many prepared to follow it to the letter on the off chance they were right, imagine all Muslims getting to heaven having never had a pint and God says "Right Mohammed, good to see you, anyway, what you having, my shout ?" or Avi a Jewish fella, good faithful Jew for 90 years arrives to find God and his mates sat round eating Bacon butties ?
Ok, we need some consequences, so hedge your bets and dont get a **** as perhaps before you get to the family buffet with dead grandparents and the like you may have to go through a sort of Appraisal, like at work only a bit longer and liable to make you squirm even more.
In the meantime, get on with it, enjoy it and dont spend too much time womdering about it, praying or other such nonesense, how would you feel if as the creator of all that we have around us your creations spent all the time in gloomy buildings telling you how great you are when really you should be out in the sun, sniffing the flowers and f*cking like beasts ?
17 October 2008, 01:36 PM
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Think the whole world has changed since the internet came along.
Certainly the Anti religion thing is rather strong
I always say the same thing...why is it only over the last 20 years or so everything seems to have gone down the pan?
Certainly the Anti religion thing is rather strong
I always say the same thing...why is it only over the last 20 years or so everything seems to have gone down the pan?
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