Dream Weaver

You really know very little about F1, even though you've been "watching it since 1992"

He hit Bourdais and should have had the same penalty as before, causing an unavoidable collision, it's not all about gaining places.

Unlike you I like Massa and Hamilton, rather than being a blinkered Ferrari fan - today's race was a farce and it's the first time in 30 years I have actually switched it off and gone and done something else.

Hamilton was penalised for forcing Kimi off the track (which he didn't), but then later on Kubica wasn't penalised for forcing Kimi out!!!

No consistency, and I will not waste any more of my time on F1 if it carries on like this - Brundle was correct, nanny state gone mad.

MooseRacer

Edited for accuracy

Sonic'

Another disgusting set of stewards penalties

then again no surprise, I wonder what will be in store for the last two races to ensure Ferrari Win

jaytc2003

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no penalty for webber as well forcing massa into the pitlane exit (and squeezing him alongside the wall)

m1cks

A Ferrari merchandise advert at the bottom of the page. How apt - we can all get Massa caps when he's gifted, sorry wins the championship.

RRH

I wonder why Massa didn't get penalised for having all four wheels outside the line overtaking Webber? If there had been a car exiting the pitlane it could've been rather nasty.

Lewis drove like a complete amature today- I did wonder if maybe Taku had nicked his suit and helmet...

Massa's showing the pressure, but has driven extremely well all year on the whole, but I think, as mentioned earlier, Kubica has been the most consistent and deserves it most. It would be nice to have a british champion though- and, for what its worth, I think he'll probably do it provided he keeps his cool.

RRH

Forgot about that... it's been a long weekend

scunnered

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Can somebody please explain to me why they still use pit boards when they could just as well tell the driver the information by radio.
I'm thinking the info on the pit board is probably a lap behind real time, where as if they told the driver by radio, they could tell him immediately and at any part of the lap.

scunnered

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I'm quite sure they'll be using noise cancelling headphones/microphone. I can quite easily hear a phone conversation on mine while on the bike at high speed.

corradoboy

A funky HUD built into the helmet would be quite cool

scoobynewbie72

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You mean a car like Sebastians Torro Rosso and what happened, Oh yeah !

D6ale

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I was wondering about that one too, very dangerous overtaking in the pitlane exit at 200mph, seems to have been forgotten yet all the other minor 'racing' incidents get daft penalties.

Luminous

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a potentially great race once again ruined by the stewards....no consistency with the penalties they apply. The Bourdais penalty was a total farce, and unappealable.

Made me wish I had not bothered to watch the "race".

PeteBrant

THis championship is going to be ruined by FIA meddling. They are doing it on a consistent basis now.

I have no confidence whatsoever, that the finish order of the race, is going to have any bearing on the eventual result.

I feel for Massa, if he manages to win the title, it is going to be tainted by the fact that he he won by way of benefitting from penalties and promotions rather than sheer ability. And I really don't think that it is his fault.


I dont think I am going to watch it next weekend

Gear Head

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This guy has a few issues.

You keep on slagging off F1 and yet you continue to watch it.

Dream Weaver

Good comeback Purvis

I record F1 these days then just forward through the main bits whilst eating my lunch so its no big deal to me, but very annoying that something I have watched since a toddler religiously is being ruined by a few idiot stewards that know nothing about the "sport".

They should let the drivers sort out who wins on the track and only penalise drivers for very dangerous moves, like Massa throwing a hissy fit for over cooking it and deliberately taking Lewis out!! NOT for Lewis braking too late into the 1st corner which happens at every single F1 race, and then Kimi being forced wide by Kovaleinen, and NOT Hamilton!!

Unlike you Purvis, I love (or used to) the sport of F1, and I'm not just a one team fanboy, expecially when the team is a bunch of cheating Italians.

Scoobychick

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A fiver says you do

Gear Head

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Oh, totally unlike the team of cheating Brits from last year then.

PeteBrant

Is this just for the live coverage?

f1_fan

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Great post let down by the last sentence. I think you may find that a certain team from Woking are on the top podium step for cheating just recently.

F1 teams push the rules and sometimes overstep them. It ain't right, but it happens and has been for a very long time. Get over it.

Aside from that couldn't agree more about letting things get sorted on the track.

jaytc2003

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with a nose and face like he has can you blame him

Turbo2

Does anyone know for certain what the cut-off point is when a drive-through penalty can not be applied? I thought it was 10 laps from the end. The Massa/Bourdais incident happened a few laps before this, so, if I am right, why the need for a post-race inquiry rather than a drive-through penalty for either/both drivers or no action being taken?

If it carries on like this next year, a Ferrari driver could well end up winning the championship, without ever needing to win a race on the track!

jaytc2003

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they were until the fia stripped that from them

Gear Head

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The guy just seems to have an issue with me because I openly support Ferrari. I suppose the other millions of fellow fans around the world are also in the wrong.

I love the sport for what it should be. No penalties should have been given yesterday; it was just 'racing'. The way the stewards were dishing them out yesterday was ridiculous. The driver's may aswell have stayed at home.

The stewards have now basically said that you:

a) can't out-brake yourself
b) can't make any contact with another car
c) can't drive aggressively
d) can't drive defensively

Is there any point in having a s*dding race?

jaytc2003

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I thought it was 5 laps, however very cleverly the message from the stewards said the incident involving car 2 and whatever bourdais was, would be investigated at the end of the race.

What could be the reason for this? Well my theory is, the stewards/fia decided to see if massa could get past bourdais on the track if he could then no need to do anything.

Now if he didnt get past on track, the only penalties they could give would be the 25 second penalty, or a possible grid drop. However the grid drop would not have helped the fia's team as they would be infront of bourdais anyway come qf for the next event, so the logical decision was the 25second penalty thus helping massa close the gap on hamilton even further

PeteBrant

Its 5 laps. If you have a incident within the last 5 laps, then a 25 second penalty is applied (as happened to Hamilton at Spa)

Scoobychick

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No, all/any of it