PeteBrant

I dont see how you can possibly have it any other way.

To be fair, what they should do, is chevron the pit exit lane, and basically if you aren't coming out of the pits, you do not use that bit of the track - THus eliminating any confusion.

jaytc2003

iTrader: (1)

you need to read my post chris see it again



I didnt say he gained the place. Merely an advantage. The advantage being he managed to pull up alongside lewis (which you say yourself in an earlier post), bearing in mind lewis was in front of him going into the turn

jaytc2003

iTrader: (1)

dont they have the white line at every race though? if people coming out of the pits cross the line they get penalised so surely it should be the same for people on the normal racing track if they cross over into that zone

PeteBrant

They do , yes, but it seems that people coming out of the pits cannot cross that line, which is right and proper. But people coming down the straight can cross the line as much as they like. Indeed if they do, it will be the driver coming out to the pits that gets penalised.

So, he cannot go outside the line, but if a driver comes into his "lane" then he has to give way.

It makes no sense at all.

NACRO

Yet again the debate is about politics and rule interpretation rather than the actual racing.

What will it take until the FIA, the pervert and the dwarf wake up to the fact they are alienating their audience?

Dream Weaver

Massa ran over the grass and into LH simple as that, he could have braked could he not?

Oh dear

Chris, I have no issues with you personally, but some of the crap you come out with is hilarious, you actually made some good points before you posted the above drivel, and I was starting to agree with some of what you were saying, but then you come out with that lot above!!

What people forget is that Lewis is only in his 2nd year of F1 and fighting for the championship for a second time!! Not many drivers can say that.

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

Fair point. But what people also forget is that Lewis is throwing this championship away, without the FIA's help.

Dream Weaver

That may be so, but he is a young lad in only his second year of F1 so he will make basic schoolboy errors as we all did in a car at his age.

He will still go on to win 5, 6, 7 championships in the future is my guess so I'd hardly say he is talentless as some people on SN reckon.

Dream Weaver

One other thing Chris, why do you dislike LH so much?

He may come across as a bit arrogant some times (by order of McClaren?), but if I had his life/career/money at that age I probably would be as well every now and then.

But you can't deny he is a talent and exciting to watch? I was watching him through other formulas and GP2 well before F1 and liked what I saw.

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

I don't think he is talentless, infact I think he has incredible car control.
But I do think that he truely believes that he is better than everyone else. Yes, you may argue that every driver must think that they are 'special', but it is ruining his image and performance.

He showed how good he was last year and only really made one mistake in China. Fast foward to this year and things are very different. And he hasn't had grumpy old Alonso there either.

Something isn't right with him this year. Maybe he is getting fed up with the British public putting so much pressure on him to succeed.

Devildog

LOL

I see the usual suspects are at it again.

Personally, I think Hamilton's penalty for the first corner incident was harsh in view of prior occasions of similar occurences, but ultimately fair. He was never going to make his apex and clearly left his brains on the grid.

However, had he not locked up and made it, we would all have been hailing his move as simply stunning. Even Mr Purvis, I suspect.

Masa's penalty for hitting Hamilton - absolutely fair, in my book. had he done what all of the Hamilton detractors here had suggested Hamilton should have done at Spa, ie backed off, he could have avoided the collision.

Bordais' penalty for the collision with Massa - see post above with Charlie Whiting's comments. FFS, what was that all about? Ferrari International Assistance to the rescue once more.

And why, can someone please explain, was Massa not penalised for deliberately driving off the track to pass Webber, when he could have got him anywhere given the massive grip advantage he had.

Lastly - all credit ro Kubica - great drive, fantastic and fair defending of his position from Raikonnen.

I now hope that Hamilton wins the championship, and McLaren take the constructors. Just to stick two fingers to the FIA, and to seriously **** off Mosley.

Leslie

If you had been watching closely you would have seen that although Hamilton locked up his brakes, he was in front of Raikkonen and Kovalainen was inside Raikkonen when Raikkonen actually left the track. Hamilton had nothing to do with Raikkonen doing that. If you get a chance to watch a replay, take a look at that whole incident.

Bordais had the right of way according to the pre race briefing by the race director so Massa was in the wrong for squeezing and hitting him! He did not need to do that anyway.

This proves that the stewards and the FIA are making up the rules as necessary to suit their requirements.

CP100.

It is really unnecessary to make obscene remarks in an effort to underline what you state in regard to my support for Hamilton. Yes i want him to win the championship but only by fair and sportsmanlike behaviour from all sides. You should just accept that I am fully entitled to support Hamilton just as you are to support Ferrari and the FIA of course.

Les

Torquesteer

Obscene remarks?
I do accept that you support Hamilton Les. It is you that cannot accept that I just don't like the guy.

All I said was that maybe the pressure from the British press + fans is just starting to get to the poor s*d. He hasn't performed as well as last year has he?

Tidgy

only sa it the first time round, so shall have a look and post up again

Tidgy

just read the race report on the race, they say kov should have got the pen ham got, so untill i see the replay (cant find one ta the min) then sounds like its another bad decision by the stewards that goes in ferarris favour

Torquesteer

Les, why don't 'you' look at Hamiltons lock up again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBlbhIQNqw

And then tell me at what point could Kimi have taken the corner when Lewis had started to lock up. He couldn't turn because there was a Mclaren next to him understeering straight on.

scooby L

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I missed the race and forgot to record it and all the bleedin u-tube links have been closed by copywrite....

So I obstain to comment... (on this occation)...

(Even with chris in disguise)

Leslie

Yes thats true initially, but Hamilton then continued around the corner with Raikkonen behind him and still on the track. That was a legitimate outbraking manoeuvre in all respects even if done well and truly on the limit. Raikkonen if anything was forced off the track because Kovalainen was inside him with Hamilton in front of both of them. I cannot say whether Kovalainen was at fault however. Hamilton did not force Raikkonen to leave the track.

Les

Torquesteer

Not in disguise mate.

Just been infracted to death by Narco!

scooby L

I saw..

Leslie

You had me confused for a moment but have twigged it now.

Well I thought it was obscene to accuse me of licking anyone's ****, and not necessary either!

I have no option but to accept that you don't like Hamilton, and as far as I am concerned it is your own affair. I thought you were led by your support for Ferrari (and maybe even the FIA!)

I do agree that the pressure on him is getting pretty hard to bear, and yes he has made more errors than usual. It will be interesting to see how he copes for the last two races. His pole lap in qualifying was outstanding and it was a shame that he made a bad start off the line. I still respect his ability which is undeniable however.

Les

fast bloke

Sounds a bit like why Hamilton had to leave the track in Spa after Kimi locked up and didn't leave him any track to drive on.

Torquesteer

Kimi didn't gain an advantage.

Devildog

Neither did lewis in Spa - and that's a fact of physics.

Please don't start trolling with this account

Torquesteer

Fine believe that.

Devildog

I do, as does anyone with an inkling of vehicle dynamics

Markus

I know, a bit late to the party, but I've been busy

An interesting race, once again the final outcome is decided after the flag has dropped. I am curious to know why the Massa vs Bourdais incident could not be examined during the race.

Hamilton screwed up badly at the start. Was the penalty warranted, I'm 50/50 on that. I don't think anyone can contest that Massa's penalty was justified.

Massa's pass on Webber was also interesting, and personally I think it should have been investigated as you are not meant to use the chevroned part of the track, as he clearly did.

The incidents do add a bit of spice to the final stages of the season. I seem to recall that there have been occasions where the championship has been in the bag with a fair few races to spare, which does tend to spoil things.

We wait with baited breath to see what incidents the next race brings us.

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

But atleast those chamionships were won on the track and not in the court room.
I actually think that races that take place after the championship has been decided are actually more fun to watch, as none of the driver's have anything to lose.

Go back just 3 or 4 years ago and no driver would have received a penalty that was issued in Japan.

I blame those bloody compensation adverts/lawyers!

m1cks

The incident happened with 19 laps left to go IIRC. From the announcement that there will be an investigation, the stewards have 20 minutes in which to reach a decision. By the time the announcement was made (a few laps later), there would have been less than the specified 20 minutes left of racing to reach a decision, therefore postponing the investigation until after the race.

I do think it is unfair to alter the race results after the flag has dropped, and they should save the penalty until the next race, however where does that leave you at the last race of the season?

Bonehead

With a very expensive game of dodgums