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Old 17 October 2008 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dynamix
Std Brembos are up to the job with proper discs and pads. No point in changing to AP's unless you want to spend the money.

Still running std brembos on mine.
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Interesting comments, but considering you use your car on track, are you saying you have never had fade?

Are you using proper bells and rotors now, or a one peice disc?

Are you saying that a car with AP 6pots (or equivalent) will have the same braking performance and feel as your standard Brembo set-up?

This is not me taking the mick mate ( and trying to make you look stupid ), but I am genuinely interested in your comments.
Old 17 October 2008 | 01:53 PM
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Still never had fade with the std Brembo calipers.

Admittedly I use Performance Friction 2 piece discs and PF 01 Race Pads for serious track stuff (PF Z pads for road and ring) but not a trace of fade and good enough to lock them at the end of sessions on Sunday. They have got very hot though and the calipers are now brown and the writing black since I borrowed the ducting for oil cooler and induction

I cant compare directly to AP's but if mine are strong enough to induce ABS and have never faded then I cant see at this stage why AP's would be better unless they are going to magically find some extra grip in the tyres.
Old 17 October 2008 | 02:44 PM
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I suspected you would say you are using bells and rotors. Interesting comments though.
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Originally Posted by dynamix
Std Brembos are up to the job with proper discs and pads. No point in changing to AP's unless you want to spend the money.

Still running std brembos on mine.

Power - dont get greedy - stick with the std turbo and set yourself a ceiling of 400 even though the std turbo wont get there.

Getting over 400 bhp gets very very expensive. It is right at the sort of point where a lot of things are at or approaching their limit so you have to do them all.
Couldnt agree more on all points.
Im hoping to get to between 360 to 370 bhp in the future with mods as mentioned on std turbo; keep Brembo calipers & change discs & pads to performance friction; may change to Eibach springs; not sure about thicker rear ARB & ALK as daily road car. Then after all that; then consider turbo options maybe if I feel I must have more power !!

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Old 17 October 2008 | 03:37 PM
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Im hoping to get to between 360 to 370 bhp in the future
Sensible chap!

As regards to the ARB and Anti-Lift kit and ride quality..... I would question why you bought a Spec C then, if ride is upmost importance. You have a Spec C, not a limo.
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Sensible chap!

As regards to the ARB and Anti-Lift kit and ride quality..... I would question why you bought a Spec C then, if ride is upmost importance. You have a Spec C, not a limo.
True!
Old 17 October 2008 | 03:45 PM
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Thanks for all your feedback and views all, really appreciated and some interesting comments too..
Old 17 October 2008 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaun
Sensible chap!

As regards to the ARB and Anti-Lift kit and ride quality..... I would question why you bought a Spec C then, if ride is upmost importance. You have a Spec C, not a limo.


Shaun,

Who,s best for the ARB and ALK ?? Litchfield??
Old 17 October 2008 | 04:00 PM
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No manufacturer is the best, as they are all the same deisgns imo. I have Whiteline kits on mine, but you have Perrin etc etc. It's up to you who fits it.

Remember the geometry is as important, and I would suggest you do go to someone that knows about this and how to set it up right. In that area I would certainly suggest PowerStation, based on my experience.
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Just addressing the OP's question, isn't it the case that the standard pistons are the weak point (as alway's with subaru, lol)..?

IIRC they're prone to 'nipping'..? I've been told that they're more prone to this than 'lesser' models, due to the tighter tolerance..?

I know RCM tend to see a few of these..!

Brake wise, certainly with the std setup, I know I can easily out-brake a 350+ spec c in my 05 WRX fitted with AP 4pots. So they do need some attention, just a question of whether you need a kit or just bells/rotors and pads..?

Finally, I'd have to add that running around 350-370 a spec c is a very potent road car..
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Originally Posted by jasonius
Just addressing the OP's question, isn't it the case that the standard pistons are the weak point (as alway's with subaru, lol)..?

IIRC they're prone to 'nipping'..? I've been told that they're more prone to this than 'lesser' models, due to the tighter tolerance..?

I know RCM tend to see a few of these..!

Brake wise, certainly with the std setup, I know I can easily out-brake a 350+ spec c in my 05 WRX fitted with AP 4pots. So they do need some attention, just a question of whether you need a kit or just bells/rotors and pads..?

Finally, I'd have to add that running around 350-370 a spec c is a very potent road car..
BUT can it beat a Clio 172?!?!?!

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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
BUT can it beat a Clio 172?!?!?!

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Being towed by a Zonda that is............
Old 17 October 2008 | 07:42 PM
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Pete,,
You ask alot of questions for a brummie,,
Rob;s has walked 430bhp for many miles and lots of sprints/dragging,
Even runs it on the nos for abit more power and torque,
There is no defo answer as it can go at any time,

Can staffi beat a clio , I doubt it
Old 17 October 2008 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by evo north
Pete,,
You ask alot of questions for a brummie,,
Rob;s has walked 430bhp for many miles and lots of sprints/dragging,
Even runs it on the nos for abit more power and torque,
There is no defo answer as it can go at any time,

Can staffi beat a clio , I doubt it


Less of the Brummie LONG-LEGS...


How,s the Evo coming along these days Paul?? is Zippy still around on the MLR?? and lard *** Stig?
Old 17 October 2008 | 08:05 PM
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Pete, i think they have disappeared off the face of the earth,
Car is fine mate, just maxed the 750cc injectors out , so getting some 1000cc;s,,
come to the pod on sun 26th for a blast mate
Old 17 October 2008 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by evo north
Pete, i think they have disappeared off the face of the earth,
Car is fine mate, just maxed the 750cc injectors out , so getting some 1000cc;s,,
come to the pod on sun 26th for a blast mate

Yes, i read you,re well up into the 500bhp barrier now mate, are you still pondering over a GT35 mate??


Might pop to Pod Paul.........
Old 17 October 2008 | 09:41 PM
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Yes pete,, Will be going the gt35 route next year,,
Brakes are here
Old 17 October 2008 | 10:02 PM
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Ill be at the pod too, hoping to go sub 11.5sec on standard internals now ive had a new clutch, hope the weather is good
Old 17 October 2008 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by evo north
Yes pete,, Will be going the gt35 route next year,,
Brakes are here

K-SPORTS Paul??

What did you go for, the 6 pots and 362mm??
Old 17 October 2008 | 10:18 PM
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Yes the k sport mate off the dwarf,,
Got a choice, 335mm or 355mm ,
Bobby you will struggle to late the year
Old 17 October 2008 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by evo north
Yes the k sport mate off the dwarf,,
Got a choice, 335mm or 355mm ,
Bobby you will struggle to late the year
355 Paul..



Can,t wait to get mine mapped now... Bob Rawle is doing it, not until December though.. fully booked....
Old 17 October 2008 | 10:31 PM
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90% going for the 355mm mate,,
Have ago at pod in yours stock
Old 17 October 2008 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by evo north
90% going for the 355mm mate,,
Have ago at pod in yours stock

With a good launch i reckon high 12`s would you??
Old 17 October 2008 | 11:04 PM
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I think i got around 13 dead standard at around 105mph
Old 17 October 2008 | 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobytyson
Ill be at the pod too, hoping to go sub 11.5sec on standard internals now ive had a new clutch, hope the weather is good
Scoobytyson,

Correct me if I am wrong but your Spec 'C' is the bugeye version which is non twin scroll and has different internals to the 2003 + Spec 'C's?
Old 17 October 2008 | 11:13 PM
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nope.. His spec c is the same version as mine.. Well his is a my 05.

Pete,
FFS That is the third tuner you have said you have booked it with now, for mapping!!
Old 17 October 2008 | 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaun
nope.. His spec c is the same version as mine.. Well his is a my 05.

Pete,
FFS That is the third tuner you have said you have booked it with now, for mapping!!

Lol,

Shaun, never said i,d booked in, i asked you who you thought was best in your opinion and i,ve spoke/rang the people you,d mentioned and felt at ease with Bob...
Old 17 October 2008 | 11:24 PM
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Shaun is right mine is a 2005 model , its about time we saw a 10 sec run from you Shaun now with the new turbo
Old 18 October 2008 | 03:21 AM
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pete,
Im sure bob will look after you. make sure you get him to use the mega rom facilities.

Paul,
I need to get rich to set the car up with me, at a quiet day at avon park. I might have to let you have a go to get a good time. Lol

Down with rich later today to pick the car up, so might see you down there.. Assuming you have not picked your car up yet.
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Shaun,


Are you at Zens Sunday then???



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