Why are kids killing each other ?
22 October 2008, 12:55 PM
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Yup!
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Look at society and some so-called role models.
Look at families and how they have changed in the last 20-30 or so years
A lot more parents out to work, less family time, more single parent families, lot lees male role models - or the right ones + less community spirit.
Inner city ghettos and no-go areas that have been allowed to form as no-one dared say anything for fear of being branded a racist - multicultural - my ***!
Kids growing up with no respect for the law or elders.
Little or no boundaries set by parents or schools or Police/CPS
Hmoe-grown trouble - Now into 2nd/3rd generations of chav and scumbags in some areas, never worked, never intend to get by outside the law and decent society.
Look at some of the places we let immigrants in to the UK from - war-torn areas where growing up lawless and killing is accepted as a way of life, no background checks on who we let in, etc...
No respect and no respobsibility or understanding of their actions or consequences...
The list could go on
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Look at society and some so-called role models.
Look at families and how they have changed in the last 20-30 or so years
A lot more parents out to work, less family time, more single parent families, lot lees male role models - or the right ones + less community spirit.
Inner city ghettos and no-go areas that have been allowed to form as no-one dared say anything for fear of being branded a racist - multicultural - my ***!
Kids growing up with no respect for the law or elders.
Little or no boundaries set by parents or schools or Police/CPS
Hmoe-grown trouble - Now into 2nd/3rd generations of chav and scumbags in some areas, never worked, never intend to get by outside the law and decent society.
Look at some of the places we let immigrants in to the UK from - war-torn areas where growing up lawless and killing is accepted as a way of life, no background checks on who we let in, etc...
No respect and no respobsibility or understanding of their actions or consequences...
The list could go on
Les
22 October 2008, 01:00 PM
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We have always had 'inner city ghettos and no-go areas'. They just used to be called 'slums'. As for 'chavs' we have had a succession of groups that society has railed against be they Teddy Boys, Tinkers, Travellers or Highwaymen. Flogging was bought back for robbery with violence in the early 20th Century after an outcry about thieves being armed with knives. It did not stop the holdups. It is more of what goes around, comes around.
22 October 2008, 01:49 PM
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We have always had 'inner city ghettos and no-go areas'. They just used to be called 'slums'. As for 'chavs' we have had a succession of groups that society has railed against be they Teddy Boys, Tinkers, Travellers or Highwaymen. Flogging was bought back for robbery with violence in the early 20th Century after an outcry about thieves being armed with knives. It did not stop the holdups. It is more of what goes around, comes around.
Certainly respect for other people has dwindled to the point of near non-existence as crime and violence is virtually unpunished - the government have busied the police with revenue raising activities and targets instead - hence the pursuit of the everyday motorist as a cash cow.
Forget police "service" - we need a police "force" again, with force being the active word in dealing with some of the more outlandish elements of society, both immigrant individuals who have outstayed their welcome, and home-grown louts who need locking up or hard labour as punishment (and when I say locking up I don't mean in a plush prison with TV's and every creature comfort), not tagging or slapping on the wrist.
Dammit - this ranting does me no good!
22 October 2008, 02:03 PM
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Bugeye,
would disagree, at one point nearly everyone would be living in a slum or be poor. Remember if you weren't the lord or the land owner chances are you were a peasant and nothing more.
After the industry began things got worse not better with mass over crowding in filthy cities and rows and rows of terraced housing. This is what lead tot he rise of ideas like communism, the producers or workers not being exploited anymore.
However, they did at least work and they knew they had to to provide what they could and avoid places like debtors prison and workhouses. Crime was an issue but again, it doesn't seem to have been on the scale of petty minded vandalism and rudeness you get today.
This is a nice piece extract of George Orwell's diary from his time in Sheffield in the 1930's. The place is a stinking hell hole he reckons but the people are proud and work hard.
George Orwell and Sheffield 1936
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would disagree, at one point nearly everyone would be living in a slum or be poor. Remember if you weren't the lord or the land owner chances are you were a peasant and nothing more.
After the industry began things got worse not better with mass over crowding in filthy cities and rows and rows of terraced housing. This is what lead tot he rise of ideas like communism, the producers or workers not being exploited anymore.
However, they did at least work and they knew they had to to provide what they could and avoid places like debtors prison and workhouses. Crime was an issue but again, it doesn't seem to have been on the scale of petty minded vandalism and rudeness you get today.
This is a nice piece extract of George Orwell's diary from his time in Sheffield in the 1930's. The place is a stinking hell hole he reckons but the people are proud and work hard.
George Orwell and Sheffield 1936
5t.
22 October 2008, 06:49 PM
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Look at Africa and the Middle East, not just Eastern Europe. as for born here, maybe buit what does that guaranteee if they have parents are bad in the first place...
23 October 2008, 02:36 PM
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Bugeye,
would disagree, at one point nearly everyone would be living in a slum or be poor. Remember if you weren't the lord or the land owner chances are you were a peasant and nothing more.
After the industry began things got worse not better with mass over crowding in filthy cities and rows and rows of terraced housing. This is what lead tot he rise of ideas like communism, the producers or workers not being exploited anymore.
However, they did at least work and they knew they had to to provide what they could and avoid places like debtors prison and workhouses. Crime was an issue but again, it doesn't seem to have been on the scale of petty minded vandalism and rudeness you get today.
This is a nice piece extract of George Orwell's diary from his time in Sheffield in the 1930's. The place is a stinking hell hole he reckons but the people are proud and work hard.
George Orwell and Sheffield 1936
5t.
would disagree, at one point nearly everyone would be living in a slum or be poor. Remember if you weren't the lord or the land owner chances are you were a peasant and nothing more.
After the industry began things got worse not better with mass over crowding in filthy cities and rows and rows of terraced housing. This is what lead tot he rise of ideas like communism, the producers or workers not being exploited anymore.
However, they did at least work and they knew they had to to provide what they could and avoid places like debtors prison and workhouses. Crime was an issue but again, it doesn't seem to have been on the scale of petty minded vandalism and rudeness you get today.
This is a nice piece extract of George Orwell's diary from his time in Sheffield in the 1930's. The place is a stinking hell hole he reckons but the people are proud and work hard.
George Orwell and Sheffield 1936
5t.
After industry began - I mean - we're talking post-industrial revolution, so early 1800's, which I don't think is a particularly fair comparison!
1930's - well not really my specialty.......But in regards to petty vandalism, rudeness and a failure by the government to address either (and similar problems) I'd say you're spot on.
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23 October 2008, 02:52 PM
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All you have to do is view some of the videos on YOUTUBE to see how the kids act nowadays, all that bloody gratuitous voilence .
Thankfully they have started removing them asap.
.Thankfully they have started removing them asap.
23 October 2008, 03:00 PM
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Why are kids killing each other ?
The more of the underclass that wipe each other out the less of a life long burden on society they will be.
23 October 2008, 03:28 PM
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23 October 2008, 03:49 PM
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remember the kids that were at school with you who always caused trouble and didint respect the teachers well when they become parents at 14 lol it just carries on with their children.becoming a parent doesnt change you to a better person.
problem is theres no real deterrent in the uk unlike saudi arabia or other countries where the police are feared i posted a link up before of how the police in elsalvador treat protesters but i got infracted damn.
no ones god fearing anymore!!
theres plenty of stabbings and slashings in Glasgow mainly down to coming from another area within glasgow or supporting the wrong football team whether it be celtic or rangers and neds drinking too much buckfast and thinking their hard as nails lol
problem is theres no real deterrent in the uk unlike saudi arabia or other countries where the police are feared i posted a link up before of how the police in elsalvador treat protesters but i got infracted damn.
no ones god fearing anymore!!
theres plenty of stabbings and slashings in Glasgow mainly down to coming from another area within glasgow or supporting the wrong football team whether it be celtic or rangers and neds drinking too much buckfast and thinking their hard as nails lol
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25 October 2008, 11:08 AM
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25 October 2008, 11:38 AM
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Thing is you can be sure its our fault. Nothing at all to do with the parents. I mean with fine examples like this in the country:
The mother who gets her 13-year-old to behave... by giving her cigarettes | Mail Online
You can understand why it is the school's fault for not giving the kid any discipline can't you?
Just misunderstood etc liberal rubbish.
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The mother who gets her 13-year-old to behave... by giving her cigarettes | Mail Online
You can understand why it is the school's fault for not giving the kid any discipline can't you?
Just misunderstood etc liberal rubbish.
5t.
Some of the quotes from the mother:
- Miss Holt, 43, knows Sam drinks but is just relieved that it's not more than a couple of cans of lager a night.
- If I ground her, I'm just punishing myself because I have to put up with her in the house.
- Miss Holt said: 'There are a lot worse things she could be doing'
- Miss Holt explained away her daughter's under-age sex. 'I didn't punish her,' she said. 'It wasn't a one-night stand. She had been dating the guy for a couple of weeks.
25 October 2008, 11:58 AM
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Oh my f***in god!!!
Some of the quotes from the mother:
Some of the quotes from the mother:
- Miss Holt, 43, knows Sam drinks but is just relieved that it's not more than a couple of cans of lager a night.
- If I ground her, I'm just punishing myself because I have to put up with her in the house.
- Miss Holt said: 'There are a lot worse things she could be doing'
- Miss Holt explained away her daughter's under-age sex. 'I didn't punish her,' she said. 'It wasn't a one-night stand. She had been dating the guy for a couple of weeks.
The Kid shoud go into care although i fear it is a little too late for that.
About time there was less PC ***** footing around these people and they are taught how to be proper parents and start to take responsibility for their actions!
25 October 2008, 12:14 PM
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The icing on the cake in that story is the mum saying 'Now she's going to a special school I'm hoping she'll now get the discipline she ought to have been getting before'
HELLO - that discipline should come from you!!
I'm not a perfect parent by a long shot but my 3 year old boy and 20 month old boy always say please and thank you, 3 year old always washes his hands after the toilet and apparently is telling other kids in nursery they should be doing the same, they already know when they've done wrong even at this age.
It's not rocket science is it??
HELLO - that discipline should come from you!!
I'm not a perfect parent by a long shot but my 3 year old boy and 20 month old boy always say please and thank you, 3 year old always washes his hands after the toilet and apparently is telling other kids in nursery they should be doing the same, they already know when they've done wrong even at this age.
It's not rocket science is it??
25 October 2008, 12:24 PM
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The icing on the cake in that story is the mum saying 'Now she's going to a special school I'm hoping she'll now get the discipline she ought to have been getting before'
HELLO - that discipline should come from you!!
I'm not a perfect parent by a long shot but my 3 year old boy and 20 month old boy always say please and thank you, 3 year old always washes his hands after the toilet and apparently is telling other kids in nursery they should be doing the same, they already know when they've done wrong even at this age.
It's not rocket science is it??
HELLO - that discipline should come from you!!
I'm not a perfect parent by a long shot but my 3 year old boy and 20 month old boy always say please and thank you, 3 year old always washes his hands after the toilet and apparently is telling other kids in nursery they should be doing the same, they already know when they've done wrong even at this age.
It's not rocket science is it??
Just unbelievable, the mother needs some sense beating into her, she is not fit to look after a child, christ on a bike, just imagine how the daughter will manage when she has kids of her own, probably not long until she does by the sounds of things...
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