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28 October 2008, 11:39 PM
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Maybe some of you know more than is obvious by reading this but unless the car is fully inspected pictures like this dont actually mean alot!!!
I agree with what everyone says about that the advert should state it has been damaged repaired, but what if this person wasnt aware? its possible....how many cars get bought and sold without having an HPI check etc?
And the fact that its said that this wasnt going to be financially viable to repair is interesting....here it is being sold repaired!
Im in one of those moods and going o play devils advocate here....I agree whole heartidly with everyones comments that it should be clear the history on this car and that damaged repairables are not always repaired to the standards we would all expect. At the moment I see no evidence that this car is not
I agree with what everyone says about that the advert should state it has been damaged repaired, but what if this person wasnt aware? its possible....how many cars get bought and sold without having an HPI check etc?
And the fact that its said that this wasnt going to be financially viable to repair is interesting....here it is being sold repaired!
Im in one of those moods and going o play devils advocate here....I agree whole heartidly with everyones comments that it should be clear the history on this car and that damaged repairables are not always repaired to the standards we would all expect. At the moment I see no evidence that this car is not
29 October 2008, 01:06 PM
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No: I am saying that the vehicle can be repaired and that the manufacturer makes/supplies the panels to do so for that reason. That really doesnt look to be too badly damaged to my eye. 'Write-off' is a meaningless phrase which only clouds the issue: whether it suits someone to repair it has nothing to do with whether it can be properly repaired.
31 October 2008, 11:37 AM
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Why would you shell out for a car that need extensive repairs, god know's how much on parts and labour - then for it to be worth **** all when its done? Thats why cars get written off! I dont care what anyone says, if the car needs to go on a jig (which it sounds like, as the gearbox was pushed back quite a lot) it will never drive the same again!
08 February 2009, 01:14 AM
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Looks like it. Obviously didnt go through insurance for the repairs.
There are a few things that would worry me without even seeing the pics:-
I also have a HPI certificate from when I bought the car showing it clear.
This says to me, the car has been in a big smack and should have been written off but wasnt.
Again, too much emphasis on the fact it has been in an accident but not showing as a write off.
Shame there isnt a way of telling prospective buyers of its past.
There are a few things that would worry me without even seeing the pics:-
I also have a HPI certificate from when I bought the car showing it clear.
This says to me, the car has been in a big smack and should have been written off but wasnt.
Important Information;
This car has in it's life been subject to accident damage, this was prior to my ownership. It has been repaired as you can see from the photos.
There is a 'rubbing' noise from the front left which my mechanic has advised is part of the trim on the inside wheel arch that needs tidying. I drive her at weekends and doesn't cause a problem to me, but there is a noise at about 60mph. To get this car perfect you will need to have a look at it.
The damage was not declared, therefore this is NOT listed as an insurance catagory, HPI certificate is clear.
This car has in it's life been subject to accident damage, this was prior to my ownership. It has been repaired as you can see from the photos.
There is a 'rubbing' noise from the front left which my mechanic has advised is part of the trim on the inside wheel arch that needs tidying. I drive her at weekends and doesn't cause a problem to me, but there is a noise at about 60mph. To get this car perfect you will need to have a look at it.
The damage was not declared, therefore this is NOT listed as an insurance catagory, HPI certificate is clear.
Shame there isnt a way of telling prospective buyers of its past.
08 February 2009, 10:22 AM
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Just makes you wonder, if the mechanic couldnt fix that bit of trim, is it something more than that? because if it was on a ramp etc when it was checked, why didnt they try?
This car stinks of bad job repair/wrong parts used, i doubt they have used the correct cooling system as a spec c has a different cooling system to the normal sti, the bumper is wrong.... and why is he selling for such a low price.
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This car stinks of bad job repair/wrong parts used, i doubt they have used the correct cooling system as a spec c has a different cooling system to the normal sti, the bumper is wrong.... and why is he selling for such a low price.
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08 February 2009, 11:20 AM
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if its been jigged, its straight, its prob more straight than a car thats been used on track a few times and had a "off" but not hit the wall
its like saying " how straight will a line be if you used a ruler, wont be as good as it was before"
if you seen some of the panels that cars come with, ford galaxy side for example is HUGE !!!, its the entire side just for a front inner wing yet its a very comon part to sell
people should understand what they talk about rather than just be snobish due to a crash
my cars techincally a write off, the cross memeber is ****ed but its gonna be repaired, its gonna be no different to replacing a panel from it rusting on a restored jag E type which people spend good money on
08 February 2009, 11:22 AM
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Ginge, i think the other issue here is that it wasnt an insurance repair job, so how many short cuts were taken as the car would not have been inspected before it went back on the road.
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08 February 2009, 11:28 AM
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mate mines not a insurance job either, but its a repair that requires the RIGHT tools, it cant just be bodged due to the nature of the repair, if you work in a body shop or know someone they it might be able to be repaird THOUGH that said theres a good chance it aint ill agree
but moving a engine back a few inches aint hard to do, the mounts are made of rubber and can rip
but moving a engine back a few inches aint hard to do, the mounts are made of rubber and can rip
08 February 2009, 11:40 AM
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btw i cant see how the engines moved back 2 ins based on that picture, the bonnet is bent but its kicked upm, the front bumper aint snapped in 2 and the top of the wings look straight in the pictue
the rear of it looks worse tbh
my car looked worse than this when it happened
i had to pull the bonnet and bumper back to get the radiator out, the sides of the bumper whee pointing out 90 degrees, the fan smashed though the cam belt cover , i couldnt get the radiator out so had to bend it straight
this is the cross member
thats the aircon rad btw not the coolant rad
the rear of it looks worse tbh
my car looked worse than this when it happened
i had to pull the bonnet and bumper back to get the radiator out, the sides of the bumper whee pointing out 90 degrees, the fan smashed though the cam belt cover , i couldnt get the radiator out so had to bend it straight
this is the cross member
thats the aircon rad btw not the coolant rad
08 February 2009, 12:04 PM
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You have to remember you cannot see all the damage here, this car was inspected by Powerstation and they said it would cost too much to repair, and the chances are with a heavy frontal impact, its pushed the engine and gearbox back, maybe even damage to the rear diff.
New cars are designed so you can walk away from them after an accident, doesnt mean the car is repairable
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New cars are designed so you can walk away from them after an accident, doesnt mean the car is repairable
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08 February 2009, 01:49 PM
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mate that dont look that hard, its not worth going as every panel has been smacked rather than a heavy front, that aint that heavy a front impact as the tops of the wings aint kinked and due to where the damage is its not hit the roof and kinked that
08 February 2009, 01:56 PM
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Its all yours then 
Just be warned that it doesnt have to kink the roof to have had a hard impact
you can still twist the chassis, push the engine and gear box back, break the somewhat expensive STI (not the normal suspension but the uprated catalogue stuff this has as standard) the unique cooling system, the oil cooler at the front, any other body panels that need replacing... but me, i wouldnt touch it with a barge pole 
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Just be warned that it doesnt have to kink the roof to have had a hard impact
you can still twist the chassis, push the engine and gear box back, break the somewhat expensive STI (not the normal suspension but the uprated catalogue stuff this has as standard) the unique cooling system, the oil cooler at the front, any other body panels that need replacing... but me, i wouldnt touch it with a barge pole Tony
08 February 2009, 02:00 PM
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oh, and to point out, back in 97 i was involved in a car accident, heavy (60+ mph impact) on the front right corner of a pug 306 when a white van ran a red light, and that looked less damaged than that scoob (and both the inner wings were good also) but they needed to replace the chassis (it was very twisted) and there was no damage to the roof. It didnt look that bad when you had a look, but it never drove the same again after it was repaired either, always had a little bit of vibration, and it wasnt the wheel balancing!
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08 February 2009, 02:20 PM
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oh, and to point out, back in 97 i was involved in a car accident, heavy (60+ mph impact) on the front right corner of a pug 306 when a white van ran a red light, and that looked less damaged than that scoob (and both the inner wings were good also) but they needed to replace the chassis (it was very twisted) and there was no damage to the roof. It didnt look that bad when you had a look, but it never drove the same again after it was repaired either, always had a little bit of vibration, and it wasnt the wheel balancing!
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new cars are designed to crush around the compartment hence theres more damage on new cars from impacts, thats not a hard smash,it looks like its span or rubbed down the side taking the shock in a different way rather than head on
08 February 2009, 02:21 PM
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what a load of rubbish !, do you understand what a jig actually does, are you aware of how many cars get jigged every day, i work in the parts industry and i deal with alot of body shops, they are ALWAYS jigging cars to repair them, rear ends on the A class, zafira is very very comon to jig
if its been jigged, its straight, its prob more straight than a car thats been used on track a few times and had a "off" but not hit the wall
its like saying " how straight will a line be if you used a ruler, wont be as good as it was before"
if you seen some of the panels that cars come with, ford galaxy side for example is HUGE !!!, its the entire side just for a front inner wing yet its a very comon part to sell
people should understand what they talk about rather than just be snobish due to a crash
my cars techincally a write off, the cross memeber is ****ed but its gonna be repaired, its gonna be no different to replacing a panel from it rusting on a restored jag E type which people spend good money on
if its been jigged, its straight, its prob more straight than a car thats been used on track a few times and had a "off" but not hit the wall
its like saying " how straight will a line be if you used a ruler, wont be as good as it was before"
if you seen some of the panels that cars come with, ford galaxy side for example is HUGE !!!, its the entire side just for a front inner wing yet its a very comon part to sell
people should understand what they talk about rather than just be snobish due to a crash
my cars techincally a write off, the cross memeber is ****ed but its gonna be repaired, its gonna be no different to replacing a panel from it rusting on a restored jag E type which people spend good money on
Very very true. How attitudes have changed in the repair industry, We have some great photos of cars repaired back in the 70s and 80s, many of which had hard shunts front or rear and were safely and properly repaired on insurance. As back then it was cost effective.
Re-shells were common for heavily damaged cars. In fact, how do we know that the car mentioned in the thread hasn't been re-shelled?
Re-shelling is rare these days, mainly due to the amount of components in the car increasing labor and political red tape with getting the VIN correctly transferred to the new chassis. Plus new body shells are being difficult to get new from the manufacturers these days - pity
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08 February 2009, 02:26 PM
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that dont look like it need a reshell, new doors, wings and panel beating of the rear quarter, though insurance approved places wont be interested
theres a bloke i know whos got porsche GT2 thats a write off, he bought it and uses it as a track toy, aint got a clue what he paied for it but i wasnt 80k
reshells aint comon now also due to panels being easier to change, ive seen a merc that had new chassis legs, had to take the engine out and the body shop wasnt gonna do it but the owner insisted and they took there time with it and you would NEVER know
repair sections of cars are made better now aswell, drill out the spot welds of the bent panels and replace as a whole section rather than trying to match up sections, less time to repair them now due to the amount of panels used
theres a bloke i know whos got porsche GT2 thats a write off, he bought it and uses it as a track toy, aint got a clue what he paied for it but i wasnt 80k
reshells aint comon now also due to panels being easier to change, ive seen a merc that had new chassis legs, had to take the engine out and the body shop wasnt gonna do it but the owner insisted and they took there time with it and you would NEVER know
repair sections of cars are made better now aswell, drill out the spot welds of the bent panels and replace as a whole section rather than trying to match up sections, less time to repair them now due to the amount of panels used
08 February 2009, 02:33 PM
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how can a chassis be twisted if the inner wings aint bend and not are the roof, where is the twist in it ???
new cars are designed to crush around the compartment hence theres more damage on new cars from impacts, thats not a hard smash,it looks like its span or rubbed down the side taking the shock in a different way rather than head on
new cars are designed to crush around the compartment hence theres more damage on new cars from impacts, thats not a hard smash,it looks like its span or rubbed down the side taking the shock in a different way rather than head on
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08 February 2009, 03:01 PM
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that means its been REAR ended then, totally pointless example as its NOT gonna have a front twist if its the rear thats twisted, even then then i cant see how the rear wouldnt touch the roof either
08 February 2009, 03:15 PM
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It was impacted on the front rhs corner, the twist was in the rear rhs quarter, i should know because i was in the drivers seat at the time! also there was NO roof damage, the car was pushed left when turning right, so i shall let you work that one out
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I don't see the big problem.
If its advertised as accident damaged and repaired then its up to the buyer to check it over properly.
Personally I wouldn't buy an accident damaged car regardless of how well it was repaired.
Anyone selling an accident damaged car without declaring it is a crook, simple.
If its advertised as accident damaged and repaired then its up to the buyer to check it over properly.
Personally I wouldn't buy an accident damaged car regardless of how well it was repaired.
Anyone selling an accident damaged car without declaring it is a crook, simple.
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The Spec C Type-RA was bent as a butchers hook. Most of the suspension including the RA/RA-R factory only fitted uprated lateral and trailing arms. It took two tow trucks to pull this thing free.
Simon, I know what you're saying as regards manufacturers repair sections but the amount of welding, jigging etc necessary to get this car even close to original spec would be probably negate the cost of doing it in the first place.
Your comments of 'it doesn't look too bad to the eye' are very candid for me. You needed to see this car in the flesh to see the damage and twisting that had taken place with the suspension, engine and powertrain.
It was bought for £7,500 by a company called Derby Autos, who apparently have a jig for lorries, and they had a go and putting it back on the road. It's missing lots of JDM parts, no doubt many suspension components, has a UK interior trim and a UK front bumper.
Believe me, the car was trashed beyond belief. The underside where the prop and diffs decided to mash heads was particularly pretty!
THIS CAR SHOULD NOT BE ON THE ROAD AND AVOIDED AT ALL COSTS.
Simon, I know what you're saying as regards manufacturers repair sections but the amount of welding, jigging etc necessary to get this car even close to original spec would be probably negate the cost of doing it in the first place.
Your comments of 'it doesn't look too bad to the eye' are very candid for me. You needed to see this car in the flesh to see the damage and twisting that had taken place with the suspension, engine and powertrain.
It was bought for £7,500 by a company called Derby Autos, who apparently have a jig for lorries, and they had a go and putting it back on the road. It's missing lots of JDM parts, no doubt many suspension components, has a UK interior trim and a UK front bumper.
Believe me, the car was trashed beyond belief. The underside where the prop and diffs decided to mash heads was particularly pretty!
THIS CAR SHOULD NOT BE ON THE ROAD AND AVOIDED AT ALL COSTS.
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08 February 2009, 05:18 PM
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Hey, looking at that advert he said that the highest bidder would win it regardless of the price.
I'd have given him 2k for it, then just used it as a track toy.
I'd have given him 2k for it, then just used it as a track toy.