HYBRID GT FMIC KITS.
27 August 2009, 12:24 AM
#123
We are doing this all the time and have garage facilities. There is probably six hours work for us but we allow a full day. Doing this for the first time I suggest you leave a full weekend to allow for the unexpected but when you have your kit, you can speak to my partner, Darren, who fits these all the time and he will pass on any tips or short cuts or things to be aware of and as he knows what he is doing and is a good communicator that should help you a lot.
Let us see what Nolan's assessment is as he had no prior experience of these I expect.
Let us see what Nolan's assessment is as he had no prior experience of these I expect.
27 August 2009, 07:11 PM
#124
Have never fitted a front mount before so this was a first for me.
When i done mine the car was off the road so had plenty of time to fit it, spent time making a few custom parts and getting other things to fit perfectly, including re welding the bumper support bar after cutting to make it nice and strong (not really needed, but had the time and facilities to do it so i did
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The fitting of the core and pipes take no time at all, its the cutting and fitting of the bumper is what takes time, i would say leave a nice weekend free to get it all done propperly.
With only the front mount and a set of ported headers and a remap power went from 288bhp (1.35bar boost) to 311bhp (1.25bar boost) this is on a vf28 so not the best turbo in the world, so hopefully when i change to a vf35 should make much more.
When i done mine the car was off the road so had plenty of time to fit it, spent time making a few custom parts and getting other things to fit perfectly, including re welding the bumper support bar after cutting to make it nice and strong (not really needed, but had the time and facilities to do it so i did
)The fitting of the core and pipes take no time at all, its the cutting and fitting of the bumper is what takes time, i would say leave a nice weekend free to get it all done propperly.
With only the front mount and a set of ported headers and a remap power went from 288bhp (1.35bar boost) to 311bhp (1.25bar boost) this is on a vf28 so not the best turbo in the world, so hopefully when i change to a vf35 should make much more.
27 August 2009, 10:14 PM
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Have never fitted a front mount before so this was a first for me.
When i done mine the car was off the road so had plenty of time to fit it, spent time making a few custom parts and getting other things to fit perfectly, including re welding the bumper support bar after cutting to make it nice and strong (not really needed, but had the time and facilities to do it so i did)
The fitting of the core and pipes take no time at all, its the cutting and fitting of the bumper is what takes time, i would say leave a nice weekend free to get it all done propperly.
With only the front mount and a set of ported headers and a remap power went from 288bhp (1.35bar boost) to 311bhp (1.25bar boost) this is on a vf28 so not the best turbo in the world, so hopefully when i change to a vf35 should make much more.
When i done mine the car was off the road so had plenty of time to fit it, spent time making a few custom parts and getting other things to fit perfectly, including re welding the bumper support bar after cutting to make it nice and strong (not really needed, but had the time and facilities to do it so i did
)The fitting of the core and pipes take no time at all, its the cutting and fitting of the bumper is what takes time, i would say leave a nice weekend free to get it all done propperly.
With only the front mount and a set of ported headers and a remap power went from 288bhp (1.35bar boost) to 311bhp (1.25bar boost) this is on a vf28 so not the best turbo in the world, so hopefully when i change to a vf35 should make much more.
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29 August 2009, 12:38 PM
#128
The STi "v.8" TMIC can handle around 350-400bhp, I'm led to believe. Some even say 450! Harvey will put me right on this, etc...
Regardless, your ACT's will obviously be way higher than a FMIC's! If you intend to go over 350bhp, then I'd personally opt for a FMIC/remap such as this new GT Spec2... for the welfare of your engine/peace of mind more than anything else!
Regardless, your ACT's will obviously be way higher than a FMIC's! If you intend to go over 350bhp, then I'd personally opt for a FMIC/remap such as this new GT Spec2... for the welfare of your engine/peace of mind more than anything else!
Last edited by joz8968; 29 August 2009 at 12:53 PM.
30 August 2009, 10:55 AM
#131
As you will find on another thread somewhere I had 392 bhp on an STi 8 TMIC and straight out the box the Hybrid GT made 401 bhp with 409.9 bhp or some similar figure after mapping adjustments.
If you want to fit the STi 8 TMIC you also need the undertray and scoop and it will not control temperatures as well as the front mount.
If you want to fit the STi 8 TMIC you also need the undertray and scoop and it will not control temperatures as well as the front mount.
30 August 2009, 01:45 PM
#132
Sorry didnt list car its a sti8 so its got standard one on ... just wondered if apart from looking the dog danglies if it was worth fitting also if it is .... can you get them ceramic coated ? just an idea i have instesd of trying to keep turbo heads heat in by coating ... that why dont i just coat what you can see and what needs to be cool
30 August 2009, 02:13 PM
#133
IC cores are a heat exchanger like a radiator.
As name suggests, it 'exchanges' the thin, hot, compressed hot air within it for the much colder, denser air surrounding it (plus supplemented by the forward motion of the car). You therefore want the surface area to LOSE as much heat as possible in any given amount of time. But ceramic coating is designed to hinder hot air from escaping/surrounding colder air from getting 'in', so you dont want this on items designed to deliberately jettison heat to atmosphere.
So no.
As name suggests, it 'exchanges' the thin, hot, compressed hot air within it for the much colder, denser air surrounding it (plus supplemented by the forward motion of the car). You therefore want the surface area to LOSE as much heat as possible in any given amount of time. But ceramic coating is designed to hinder hot air from escaping/surrounding colder air from getting 'in', so you dont want this on items designed to deliberately jettison heat to atmosphere.
So no.
Last edited by joz8968; 30 August 2009 at 02:16 PM.
30 August 2009, 05:41 PM
#135
Oops sorry! lol
I'd still say no though. 'Cause if some heat can be lost on its way from compressor - via uncoated pipes - to the core, then so much the better. The core won't have to 'work' so hard as there'll be less heat for it to exchange, so the aggregate temps. of the air being sent to the TB will be even lower. But that said, the charged air will lose gas speed if cooler, so maybe not so good. Swings and roundabouts on this front.
The only other value IMHO in doing the ceramic coating of the pipes, is to keep heat from radiating via the pipes and into the engine bay...
Don't know what the ideal answer would be TBH.
I'd still say no though. 'Cause if some heat can be lost on its way from compressor - via uncoated pipes - to the core, then so much the better. The core won't have to 'work' so hard as there'll be less heat for it to exchange, so the aggregate temps. of the air being sent to the TB will be even lower. But that said, the charged air will lose gas speed if cooler, so maybe not so good. Swings and roundabouts on this front.
The only other value IMHO in doing the ceramic coating of the pipes, is to keep heat from radiating via the pipes and into the engine bay...
Don't know what the ideal answer would be TBH.
Last edited by joz8968; 30 August 2009 at 05:43 PM.
01 September 2009, 07:43 PM
#137
Hi WRX. Sorry I missed this earlier. On your 04 STi the top mount will do the business, certainly to somewhere in the direction of 400 bhp. It is not the best solution but taking in to account the cost of a front mount I would be inclined to stick with the top mount until you are getting somewhere close to the 400 mark but you will immediately get benefits from a front mount at that level just from the colder ACT alone.
As Joz suggests there is no point coating the pipework from the turbo comprressor to the intercooler core but it is certainly worth coating the pipework from the core to the throttle body to keep the cold air cold by virtue of the fact that the aluminium hard pipes will not pick up engine bay heat because of the ceramic coating heat barrier. It is for this reason that I DEI exhaust wrap these hard pipes and then apply a silver reflective sheath. You may find the ceramic coating cost is prohibitive but you can get virtually any colour you want, including clear. I believe the DEI heat wrapping is just as effective at a fraction of the cost. Hope this helps. I would say that at your intended power level you are at a border line decision bearing in mind the cost.
As Joz suggests there is no point coating the pipework from the turbo comprressor to the intercooler core but it is certainly worth coating the pipework from the core to the throttle body to keep the cold air cold by virtue of the fact that the aluminium hard pipes will not pick up engine bay heat because of the ceramic coating heat barrier. It is for this reason that I DEI exhaust wrap these hard pipes and then apply a silver reflective sheath. You may find the ceramic coating cost is prohibitive but you can get virtually any colour you want, including clear. I believe the DEI heat wrapping is just as effective at a fraction of the cost. Hope this helps. I would say that at your intended power level you are at a border line decision bearing in mind the cost.
01 September 2009, 10:09 PM
#139
i could sell the sti 8 top mount though as love the look of a fmic ...whats a used sti8 tmic going for any idea?
So harvey how much for fmic with bov flange sprayed black with the heat wrap as you discribed? ill be fitting it
Does the rubber jointers come in other colours than blue
So harvey how much for fmic with bov flange sprayed black with the heat wrap as you discribed? ill be fitting it
Does the rubber jointers come in other colours than blue
Last edited by wrx9181; 01 September 2009 at 10:11 PM.
02 September 2009, 01:47 PM
#140
The joiners come in blue only. If you are fitting the kit yourself it would make sense for you to paint the core if that is what you want to do. Anumber of people have done this with aerosols from Halfords etc. Apply a very thin coat only. As Joz pointed out, the core works by disipating heat and a coat of paint acts as a barrier.
A roll of 2" x 50' DEI heat wrap is £55 and more than enough to wrap the the pipes on the cold side.
If it were my car I would spray the pipes to and from the core in the area where they are exposed to road spray, using stone chip aerosol. This prevents corrosion caused by road salt.
A roll of 2" x 50' DEI heat wrap is £55 and more than enough to wrap the the pipes on the cold side.
If it were my car I would spray the pipes to and from the core in the area where they are exposed to road spray, using stone chip aerosol. This prevents corrosion caused by road salt.
03 September 2009, 10:43 AM
#143
Powder coated pipes in blue for New Age is £50. For a Classic is £40. Big range of colours available, even pink but sorry no tartan until next week.
Ceramic coating is a specialist application and you need to determine the type of coating, internal or external, colour etc. I suspect that when you get the price you will loose interest but no harm speaking to Camcoat at Warrington, Peter Carter.
01925 445688.
Ceramic coating is a specialist application and you need to determine the type of coating, internal or external, colour etc. I suspect that when you get the price you will loose interest but no harm speaking to Camcoat at Warrington, Peter Carter.
01925 445688.
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