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08 November 2008, 01:48 PM
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So by your reckoning, Gollywogs aren't offensive?
Singling out people and making mocking remarks about their appearance does cause offence and its one of those things that you probably just don't understand because you haven't experienced it.
Saying that though, I doubt you hold racist views, more that you are conditioned to believe that it's OK because you saw similar things on TV 20 years ago.
Singling out people and making mocking remarks about their appearance does cause offence and its one of those things that you probably just don't understand because you haven't experienced it.
Saying that though, I doubt you hold racist views, more that you are conditioned to believe that it's OK because you saw similar things on TV 20 years ago.
And yes I do find it offensive taking the pp out of people's appearance just as calling someone a 'spaz' is as to me that is an abbreviation for spastic. BUT the point is being offensive does not automatically = being racist.
08 November 2008, 01:50 PM
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I, Ashley B, on this subaru forum do say that some of the posts in this thread I found deeply offensive and politically incorrect to say the least. I have expressed my views and apologise for using the wrong terminology when expressing them, on this forum.
you can stop
now bravo
08 November 2008, 01:50 PM
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I've said there is a difference to being racist and being politically incorrect. Being offensive does not = being racist in every instance.
And yes I do find it offensive taking the pp out of people's appearance just as calling someone a 'spaz' is as to me that is an abbreviation for spastic. BUT the point is being offensive does not automatically = being racist.
And yes I do find it offensive taking the pp out of people's appearance just as calling someone a 'spaz' is as to me that is an abbreviation for spastic. BUT the point is being offensive does not automatically = being racist.
08 November 2008, 01:53 PM
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bravo, im now aware this isnt sinking in is it. You obviously think i go around beating people up. If someone came to me in the street and called me a N*gger, id feel no problem in punching his lights out. He's came to my personal space, and called me that nasty word. If i see some bloke beating his missus, id feel inclined to step in and see how he likes it, if my little sister rang me up crying that some bloke went a little bit far with her against her will, then id do time. If i ever catch a dirty pervert perving over my now 4 month old daughter when shes a little bit older, id do time. Theres a difference, violence isnt the answer but some people just need a good kick in sometimes. Ur probably thinking im gonna come hunt you down now dont ya....lol no i wouldnt waste my petrol, and the fact id suffer from vicious blows to my head from your keyboard!
Oh dear, I think you are the one missing my points. Read them again carefully and think about and also what you typed. You really think anyone would be scared of your keyboard warrior comments? Please do some growing up.
08 November 2008, 01:54 PM
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ooh...u dont wanna say "Racist" stereotype Angrynorth, that will get his back up. edit it to say "Politically incorrect" stereotype 
then he wont have anything to moan about on this fine saturday afternoon 
then he wont have anything to moan about on this fine saturday afternoon
08 November 2008, 01:56 PM
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woah rewind a minute....when did i say anything or even imply, that i wanted people to be scared of my comments? I didnt type all that to scare people! lol. unless of course ur one of a: a pervert b: a complete racist c: a wife beater?
08 November 2008, 01:57 PM
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However, if we accept that this sort of thing is unacceptable, we also have to apply that thinking to whatever other threads come up which could equally cause offence. So no more comments on tall/short/fat/thin people, no 'jokes' about hair colour, religion, sexuality, the list could be endless. Where would it end? Jokes are usually born out of our differences as people, and yes, at times can border on offensive, I have been offended on here before, but if I can tell something is an attempt of humour, I laugh it off. If I honestly believe someone is really trying to be offensive, then I will speak out.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong to make jokes about someones' skin colour, but if we say it's not, then we will all have to start treading very carefully in what other things we 'mock'.
08 November 2008, 02:00 PM
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I guess that boils down to personal opinions. I still don't think that bank note would hold up as being racist material if presented to the law. Like I say personal opinion and I accept I just may well be in the minority.
08 November 2008, 02:03 PM
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who gives a shyte if a silly bank note like that was presented to the law?! lmao.... if it was presented to me by someone id present them something back!
08 November 2008, 02:07 PM
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TBF, it may be important whether this is deemed as racism or just not politically correct, but the other issue at hand is that people have in fact been offended regardless. Some of the posts may be bad tatse, but what gets me, is that I honestly don't think they were intended to be offensive as such. I also don't think they were malicious, just an attempt at humour, funny or not.
However, if we accept that this sort of thing is unacceptable, we also have to apply that thinking to whatever other threads come up which could equally cause offence. So no more comments on tall/short/fat/thin people, no 'jokes' about hair colour, religion, sexuality, the list could be endless. Where would it end? Jokes are usually born out of our differences as people, and yes, at times can border on offensive, I have been offended on here before, but if I can tell something is an attempt of humour, I laugh it off. If I honestly believe someone is really trying to be offensive, then I will speak out.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong to make jokes about someones' skin colour, but if we say it's not, then we will all have to start treading very carefully in what other things we 'mock'.
However, if we accept that this sort of thing is unacceptable, we also have to apply that thinking to whatever other threads come up which could equally cause offence. So no more comments on tall/short/fat/thin people, no 'jokes' about hair colour, religion, sexuality, the list could be endless. Where would it end? Jokes are usually born out of our differences as people, and yes, at times can border on offensive, I have been offended on here before, but if I can tell something is an attempt of humour, I laugh it off. If I honestly believe someone is really trying to be offensive, then I will speak out.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong to make jokes about someones' skin colour, but if we say it's not, then we will all have to start treading very carefully in what other things we 'mock'.
So my points were trying to say (perhaps very badly) do you think those people were being truely demeaning and deliberately offensive (ie racist) or simply making jokes that to some were extremely bad taste (ie politically incorrect). Most I would hope would think the latter.
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08 November 2008, 02:08 PM
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i dont think theres any racist comments it doesnt matter if his skins like a milky bar or a dairy milk or even dark dairy milk ,like said there are people above him making decisions ,his face is just the one on the billboards .
id like to see area 51 but hasnt it closed down now ?
(ive seen the underground part on independence day)
id like to see area 51 but hasnt it closed down now ?
(ive seen the underground part on independence day)
08 November 2008, 02:28 PM
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Who the **** do you think you are 
I'm sure you're big enough and ugly enough to absorb a few comments you don't like. If not, life is going to be a difficult journey!
08 November 2008, 02:34 PM
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Nice to see how an original thread has turned into an infracticon fest. 
prhaps if we ALL applied some common sense, this thread wouldnt have
turned into a slanging match
B.0. didnt get to where he is today by being a shrinking violet, nor is he
unaware of the predjudices he faces.
Its clear that there a few on this thread who seem to revel on pushing the
"humor" angle to the limit, and given the current PC state we all seem to be
hung up on, it seems a rather unwise thing to do.
Mart
prhaps if we ALL applied some common sense, this thread wouldnt have
turned into a slanging match
B.0. didnt get to where he is today by being a shrinking violet, nor is he
unaware of the predjudices he faces.
Its clear that there a few on this thread who seem to revel on pushing the
"humor" angle to the limit, and given the current PC state we all seem to be
hung up on, it seems a rather unwise thing to do.
Mart
08 November 2008, 02:37 PM
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are you right in the head? in another thread me n u are exchanging what i thought was a mini light hearted friendly mini-conversation, next i know ur on this one calling me a nonce!
08 November 2008, 02:47 PM
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im black and i have white english,irish,pakistani,indian,jamican,african,tur kish.greek a bit like united nation speak diffrent languages and have there own religous belifes . friends that i know very well and grown up with. me and my pals share jokes but thats me and my close pals who ive known for a very long time. the jokes that we make at each other are not ment from the heart there just jokes and there is border lines. i dont know any of you so yes some of the things would of made me feel uncomfortable. put yourself in my shoes how would you feel. if this forum was mainly coloured people on here and the jokes started about the whites how would you feel?? you wouldnt be a happy bunny or lets say maybe you might be cool with it but some one else wont. its good manners to respect one another back grounds. and just for the record hamilton is coloured but he reprsent us all he represents the uk. he doesnt just represnt the coloured.same with all the athletes,footie players,boxers you name it.
08 November 2008, 02:50 PM
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Or were you joking? As my good old Dad used to say to me when I was 7 or 8 years old, 'take it on the chin... you're big enough and ugly enough'.
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08 November 2008, 03:00 PM
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The point is, will this "very carefully think- before- you -type" stuff actually change the way those people "really" think about physical differences? Most probably not. That is why IMO it's good to see some open posts on forums; to know what people's real views are, and to know what they really are about. Some people repeatedly menifest their strong views over physical and racial differences. Sometimes with harmless, humour packed jokes (totally acceptable IMO), sometimes with anger and hatred. Not always it's the same people, but sometimes it is. So, physical and racial differences must matter a lot to them, I suppose?
Let them live with their preferences, I say. As Cool says, one should be big an ugly enough to take it on the chin, full stop. 
Anyway, I found this clip on line today>
Racism 'preventing British Obama'
'Institutional racism' is preventing a British Obama, claims equality chiefUS President-elect Barack Obama would never have become the British Prime Minister because of "institutional racism" in the Labour Party, the head of Britain's equality watchdog has claimed.
Trevor Phillips, chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, told The Times: "If Barack Obama had lived here I would be very surprised if even somebody as brilliant as him would have been able to break through the institutional stranglehold that there is on power within the Labour Party."
He said the Conservative Party had made more progress when it came to its selection procedures than Labour.
He said: "The parties and unions and think-tanks are all very happy to sign up to the general idea of advancing the cause of minorities but in practice they would like somebody else to do the business. It's institutional racism."
'Institutional racism' is preventing a British Obama, claims equality chiefUS President-elect Barack Obama would never have become the British Prime Minister because of "institutional racism" in the Labour Party, the head of Britain's equality watchdog has claimed.
Trevor Phillips, chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, told The Times: "If Barack Obama had lived here I would be very surprised if even somebody as brilliant as him would have been able to break through the institutional stranglehold that there is on power within the Labour Party."
He said the Conservative Party had made more progress when it came to its selection procedures than Labour.
He said: "The parties and unions and think-tanks are all very happy to sign up to the general idea of advancing the cause of minorities but in practice they would like somebody else to do the business. It's institutional racism."
08 November 2008, 03:15 PM
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The point is, will this "very carefully think- before- you -type" stuff actually change the way those people "really" think about physical differences? Most probably not. That is why IMO it's good to see some open posts on forums; to know what people's real views are, and to know what they really are about. Some people repeatedly menifest their strong views over physical and racial differences. Sometimes with harmless, humour packed jokes (totally acceptable IMO), sometimes with anger and hatred. Not always it's the same people, but sometimes it is. So, physical and racial differences must matter a lot to them, I suppose? Let them live with their preferences, I say. As Cool says, one should be big an ugly enough to take it on the chin, full stop.
Anyway, I found this clip on line today>
Instituitional racism is the highlight in above script; co-product of the social racism in this century. I thought it was interesting.
Let them live with their preferences, I say. As Cool says, one should be big an ugly enough to take it on the chin, full stop. Anyway, I found this clip on line today>
Instituitional racism is the highlight in above script; co-product of the social racism in this century. I thought it was interesting.
There is absolutely no excuse for racism and even less excuse for bleating about everything you don't agree with or felt 'insulted by' as if it ruined you're life.
08 November 2008, 03:29 PM
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Hiding racist views inside so-called "jokes" is cowardly IMO. Racist comic Bernard Manning was a perfect example and we all remember how controversial the return "joke" by Trevor McDonald turned out to be.
So, saying "its a joke" doesnt always cut it. Just because you hide something in a joke doesnt make it acceptable.
Interesting video >>> YouTube - World's Most Offensive Joke - 2/9 - Race
So, saying "its a joke" doesnt always cut it. Just because you hide something in a joke doesnt make it acceptable.
Interesting video >>> YouTube - World's Most Offensive Joke - 2/9 - Race
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08 November 2008, 03:50 PM
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Shouldn't someone open this discussion up to allow our ginger haired jocks and leek eating welsh sheep ******* members an opportunity to discuss their feelings towards racism...
....mind you that's assuming they're sober enough to actually type at 14:50 on a Saturday afternoon
....mind you that's assuming they're sober enough to actually type at 14:50 on a Saturday afternoon
08 November 2008, 03:54 PM
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Hiding racist views inside so-called "jokes" is cowardly IMO. Racist comic Bernard Manning was a perfect example and we all remember how controversial the return "joke" by Trevor McDonald turned out to be.
So, saying "its a joke" doesnt always cut it. Just because you hide something in a joke doesnt make it acceptable.
Interesting video >>> YouTube - World's Most Offensive Joke - 2/9 - Race
So, saying "its a joke" doesnt always cut it. Just because you hide something in a joke doesnt make it acceptable.
Interesting video >>> YouTube - World's Most Offensive Joke - 2/9 - Race
Let them stand up and identify themselves
08 November 2008, 03:59 PM
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08 November 2008, 04:59 PM
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Can i just say......
I have not infracted anyone. I never have and i never will.
Feel free to check with any mod about this
I know there is a reason of "Racism" for an infraction option though so i'd imagine that is why so many of you have been infracted so you can hardly complain as like i said the racism on many posts was quite obvious.
This thread seemed to turn into the White majority against a Black guy, wtf. A mixed race guy came on and said he thought the posts were offensive and racist and then it was everyone against him telling him he was wrong
Completely proves the point that was being made by myself.
WELL DONE SCOOBYNET
I have not infracted anyone. I never have and i never will.
Feel free to check with any mod about this
I know there is a reason of "Racism" for an infraction option though so i'd imagine that is why so many of you have been infracted so you can hardly complain as like i said the racism on many posts was quite obvious.
This thread seemed to turn into the White majority against a Black guy, wtf. A mixed race guy came on and said he thought the posts were offensive and racist and then it was everyone against him telling him he was wrong
Completely proves the point that was being made by myself.
WELL DONE SCOOBYNET
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08 November 2008, 05:05 PM
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Can i just say......
I have not infracted anyone. I never have and i never will.
Feel free to check with any mod about this
BUT - This thread seemed to turn into the White majority against a Black guy, wtf. A mixed race guy came on and said he thought the posts were offensive and racist and then it was everyone against him.
Completely proves the point that was being made by myself.
WELL DONE SCOOBYNET.
I have not infracted anyone. I never have and i never will.
Feel free to check with any mod about this
BUT - This thread seemed to turn into the White majority against a Black guy, wtf. A mixed race guy came on and said he thought the posts were offensive and racist and then it was everyone against him.
Completely proves the point that was being made by myself.
WELL DONE SCOOBYNET.
If you're going to carry an argument, you must keep to the facts.
BTW, who is the mixed race guy? Honestly I don't know who you refer to.
08 November 2008, 05:09 PM
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ash002004.
In his first post he says he is mixed race and found the posts offensive and racist and why he felt this.
The whole thread then turned into everyone against him.
AND that he aint gonna infract about it so you can all keep looking for your mystery infractor....
In his first post he says he is mixed race and found the posts offensive and racist and why he felt this.
The whole thread then turned into everyone against him.
AND that he aint gonna infract about it so you can all keep looking for your mystery infractor....
08 November 2008, 07:30 PM
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Fat boy Manning (oops, that may have been a fattist comment) was well and truely marginalised by his own work. No need for Treavor McDoughnut (oops a foodie comment) to lower himself. Us 'educated types' can make of Manning, and his like, as is deserved. Protecting me/'us' by preventing these nuts from airing their views is protecting the nuts from public humiliation.
Let them stand up and identify themselves
Let them stand up and identify themselves