tath

I'm sure there is a couple of foot tolerance on these things? If you've stopped a couple of feet from the line, as you should, you should have no problem pulling in and avoiding them. More to the point, they are more than able to get around you in the wrong direction lane I'd have thought.

Lot of negative SN vibes in this thread for something so innocuous, is it that time of month again?

Diesel

Sorry mate, but you are being a bit naive I'm afraid. Negative vibes come from people's bitter experience. Massive shame, but there we are. D

tath

i'm not knocking the attitude to police, i live in north wales and IMHO I would rather deal with **** Youth than these idiots. They are petty, mindless, retarded, ****nuts who are not interested in helping people, just their stats.

I was referring to the post ratings and infractions, seems people have their knickknocks in a twist

rik-1

I know of two people that have been prosecuted for driving through a red light to get out of the way of an emergency vehicle.
You're not allowed to do it these days.

Diesel

How things have changed then - I grew up there and they were fair straight people then with a good sense of common sense and balance. Bought my forst proper bike off the local Bobby and he didn't even check with Whitehall, MI6 and make me fill out 32 forms before my test drive. Became a mate for life too

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Leslie

In the case that I mentioned above, the chap said he moved forwards just enough to let the ambulance through and stopped on the original side of the lights. His movement forward activated the under floor sensor which was when the photo was taken from behind him.

He was backed in the court by the ambulance service by saying that an ambulance crossed the lights at that time but they still fined him and he got points as well as far as I remember!

What kind of justice is that?

If I was in that situation I would still let the ambulance through and then I would tell the magistrates exactly what I thought if they persisted in fining me.

Les

fatherpierre

That's shocking. What a prat of a magistrate to rule that kind of decision.

No one has to move for emergency vehicles, but most generally do. I'd be happy to stand witness for anyone 'hit' by the system if they got a NIP for moving for me.

And to those who would move for anyone but the police - let's hope if you're about to get stabbed, robbed, burgled or your life was in mortal danger that others don't have the same attitude and cause the police to be a second too late to save you, your family or your property from serious/fatal damage.

There's some really sad, bitter people on here that talk crap.

Luan Pra bang

trouble is if you do move for the police they will be late anyway as they will stop to give you a ticket.

fatherpierre

ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Luan Pra bang

A few of them in the Police force.

fatherpierre

Again, ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz.

It's Police Service, by the way.

Can't wait for your next sharp, witty reply

But I guess I'll have to....

GlesgaKiss

I've had a few run-ins with the police that I didn't like - I personally didn't like the attitude of the officers, and I don't like the priorities the police seem to have these days.

However, if you were facing almost certain death at the hands of some nutter with a knife who had taken a dislike to you, and your only hope of survival was a prompt arrival by the police...would you want someone holding them up en route because they had recieved a speeding ticket in the past?

fatherpierre

Indeed.

I've had bad experiences with police - despite being one myself. In fact, I've been treated worse because of it on 2 occasions!

The pitiful example you highlight just shows ingorance and blatant stupidity. Or, keyboard warrior syndrome

Diesel

Totally agree, but it is up to them that we pay and that manage these things for the benefit of the public to b well well sort it out. That's how things work in my chosen profession and most others' line of work. Those that have the power or are in control are charged with fixing the problems/issues/bugs/blatant injustices.

The buck stops elsewhere as this is a long known issue, so rather than moaning about the public's newfound negative attitude, how about dealing with the core issue instead? 'Win win' instead of 'lose lose' as they say in boardrooms! Bingo!

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Diesel

Good and bad eggs everywhere....

The copper I mention above (that I bought the bike off) got done for 71mph going home after a late shift by a colleague and on a deserted straight road. Ridiculous.

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fatherpierre

More good than bad, but the bad spoil it for the majority.

I got pulled over in Leeds, and when they found out I was a Met officer decided that my car needed searching for drugs and that they should no longer be polite or follow the rules etc. Bit my tongue and drove off as they were pathetic losers.

Luan Pra bang

I take it that they did not find the drugs though so at least there was a happy ending.

fatherpierre

Just asprin.

m1cks

FP - it's not so much about the attitude of the police in general (most traffic officers wouldn't issue a fpn or summons if they witnessed someone going through a light to make way for an emergency vehicle)
It is more about as Diesel says with the "computer says no" attitude exhibited by the courts. This is the reason I wouldn't cross through a light IF IT HAD A FIXED CAMERA

Wenker Man

Its this reason why I never stop on the line and leave about half a car length in front of me (same in traffic too). Its just about enough space to manouver out the way. Just common sense really.

I suppose HGVs are can''t do this though, so it doesn't work for everyone.

ritchie21

The Road Traffic Act 1988 deals with all scenarios mentioned ie 9 points, mortgage, family to support etc. I know, I argue it on a regular basis when I defend cases like this.

Magistrates can either find special reasons not to endorse your licence or if you end up as a totter (12pp) they can find exceptional hardship to not disqualify you.

It does happen and often. I have NEVER seen or heard of a magistrates court who have put points on a licence and fined in circumstances such as these and if they did, any sensible person would appeal to the Crown Court and the Judge would allow the appeal.

Simon 69

Youd expect a little professional courtesy, wouldnt you?

Diesel

Why even go there mate - and I speak of bitter experience.

Those of us that have challenged the system for injustice (and won ) find it extremely time consuming, exhausting, often baffling and guaranteed to leave you significantly out of pocket. Add in a real life with 2 young kids and a busy job (that it is hard to get days off from to travel to adjourned courts) and you start to see why you don't even go near triggering the computer. The humans intervene much later and there is still a risk as humans are as unpredictable as the computer is predictable...

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ritchie21

Well, I can only speak from my experience of having represented thousands of people in court and a large number of people in scenarios such as these. I know it's time consuming and a pain in the *** but if you win, you can claim back any costs (loss of wages, travel costs etc) from central funds.

Oh and your employer is legally bound to give you time off of work to attend at court hearing. If not they can be summonsed before the court for contemp - and yes I have seen it happen!

I'm not talking generalities here - this is what I do for a living!

IanW

Same here FP i would happily go and be a witness for anyone who had moved out of the way of the way.

All of the people on here who would not get out of the way of the Police but would for an Ambulance for example, there have been several jobs that i have been too lately where the Ambulance service have refused to enter until the Police were in attendance because of their risk assessment, now the sooner that we get there, the sooner the paramedics can do their work.

fatherpierre

London Ambulance Service rarely attend any jobs at night on the streets where I work without the police getting there 1st.

They wait around the corner for it to be declare safe by police 1st and then come in.

richie001

iTrader: (3)

Says a lot about how bad society has broken down in country

billythekid

My advice, dont do it if there is a camera on the ATS as you will get the NIP.

It sounds crazy, and I for one dont agree with it, but there is no exemption that allows a MOP to go through the ATS on red.

Exactly the case for bus lanes too, I know of a case where an off duty cop was going into work, meat wagon comes up behind with 999s on and he moves into the bus lane to let it pass, then moves back out straight after... nope potted by the bus lane cameras....

Diesel

It's good to hear the opposite view from one one the front line, although it doesn't negate other individuals' less positive experiences.

And as for 'employer' some of us would rather be attending to the needs of our businesses rather than squabbling in court! I'll give you a bell next time

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logiclee

Because at some time or other it might be your wife or kid in the back of the ambulance in desperate need of life saving treatment.

And they may be held up by some plonker worried about a fine or having to have time off work.

Cheers
Lee