Driving in the wet
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Best way of finding out about you and your cars limits is to do this:
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An airfield driving day allows you to do a lot more than on a track day - if you push it and spin too much on a track day you may get black flagged. Here it is actively encouraged!
You will also be learning from one of the best drivers in the country, Andrew Walsh:
YouTube - Elise Drifting Andy Walsh Burning Rubber
YouTube - A lap with Andy Walsh
Just don't let him out in your car, the man doesn't know how much tyres cost!
Car Limits
An airfield driving day allows you to do a lot more than on a track day - if you push it and spin too much on a track day you may get black flagged. Here it is actively encouraged!
You will also be learning from one of the best drivers in the country, Andrew Walsh:
YouTube - Elise Drifting Andy Walsh Burning Rubber
YouTube - A lap with Andy Walsh
Just don't let him out in your car, the man doesn't know how much tyres cost!
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So people on hear are devoid of all humor ?
not been on this site long but i do rate it well, and i read things like this all the time blokes winding each other up, now i learn blokes can put a cowardly infraction against me, pm me if you have a problem and we can sort it out like men, then you will fine out i have had the day of work ill so im board and wanted cheering up so took the pi$$ a little.
not been on this site long but i do rate it well, and i read things like this all the time blokes winding each other up, now i learn blokes can put a cowardly infraction against me, pm me if you have a problem and we can sort it out like men, then you will fine out i have had the day of work ill so im board and wanted cheering up so took the pi$$ a little.
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Best way of finding out about you and your cars limits is to do this:
Car Limits
An airfield driving day allows you to do a lot more than on a track day - if you push it and spin too much on a track day you may get black flagged. Here it is actively encouraged!
You will also be learning from one of the best drivers in the country, Andrew Walsh:
YouTube - Elise Drifting Andy Walsh Burning Rubber
YouTube - A lap with Andy Walsh
Just don't let him out in your car, the man doesn't know how much tyres cost!
Car Limits
An airfield driving day allows you to do a lot more than on a track day - if you push it and spin too much on a track day you may get black flagged. Here it is actively encouraged!
You will also be learning from one of the best drivers in the country, Andrew Walsh:
YouTube - Elise Drifting Andy Walsh Burning Rubber
YouTube - A lap with Andy Walsh
Just don't let him out in your car, the man doesn't know how much tyres cost!
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So people on hear are devoid of all humor ?
not been on this site long but i do rate it well, and i read things like this all the time blokes winding each other up, now i learn blokes can put a cowardly infraction against me, pm me if you have a problem and we can sort it out like men, then you will fine out i have had the day of work ill so im board and wanted cheering up so took the pi$$ a little.
not been on this site long but i do rate it well, and i read things like this all the time blokes winding each other up, now i learn blokes can put a cowardly infraction against me, pm me if you have a problem and we can sort it out like men, then you will fine out i have had the day of work ill so im board and wanted cheering up so took the pi$$ a little.
HTH
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I'm sure the OP and others would be very interested to hear replies from people who have had experience driving Imprezas in the wet....
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You were quite obviously trolling and your remarks have caused the OPs thread to be filled up with junk. You're only one infraction away from a ban, so probably best to get back on topic eh?
I'm sure the OP and others would be very interested to hear replies from people who have had experience driving Imprezas in the wet....
I'm sure the OP and others would be very interested to hear replies from people who have had experience driving Imprezas in the wet....
ps. thanks for not insulting me
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Easy thing to remember, expecially on the lanes; drive to the conditions!! Can you see round the next bend? Can you stop if there's a broken down car after that bend and someone coming the other way?
Enjoy the extra capabilities of the car, but save the hero to zero banzai driving for the track where you can laugh about ending up in the kitty litter with your mates inthe pub later that day, not wondering how you're going to pay for your busted up car or explain things to someone's next of kin!
Enjoy the extra capabilities of the car, but save the hero to zero banzai driving for the track where you can laugh about ending up in the kitty litter with your mates inthe pub later that day, not wondering how you're going to pay for your busted up car or explain things to someone's next of kin!
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This guys comment is about right. It's a thing you will do with confidence.
If you really want to do it your best bet other than a track day is to find a LARGE roundabout 6.00am on a Sunday morning.
That way your car will stay in one piece if you lose it.
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Hi mate i have a type r and as stated, lift off oversteer is your biggest enemy.
In the wet your dccd wants to be arround the second notch, but this is down to personell preference, best thing to do is as said find somewhere secluded off the road is best on a quiet ind est or better still one of the driver training days, they are much cheaper than your insurance excess, and have a practice and see how much it takes before you loose it.you will soon see that it does'nt actually take very much at all to unsettle these cars hence so many of them being written off by people who think the grip is endless.
It really does only take somthing unforseen to happen and your in a world of ****, not trying to be a party pooper as we all like to have fun in our cars, which is why we bought them, but these cars are really quick and when it goes wrong as it will sooner or later it tends to be happening at much greater speeds, as allready stated by yourself in the original post.
My moto is if in doubt WATCH OUT! be safe and live another day.
Now is also a good time to book track days as they tend to be alot cheaper in the winter with less peoplr too
Hi mate i have a type r and as stated, lift off oversteer is your biggest enemy.
In the wet your dccd wants to be arround the second notch, but this is down to personell preference, best thing to do is as said find somewhere secluded off the road is best on a quiet ind est or better still one of the driver training days, they are much cheaper than your insurance excess, and have a practice and see how much it takes before you loose it.you will soon see that it does'nt actually take very much at all to unsettle these cars hence so many of them being written off by people who think the grip is endless.
It really does only take somthing unforseen to happen and your in a world of ****, not trying to be a party pooper as we all like to have fun in our cars, which is why we bought them, but these cars are really quick and when it goes wrong as it will sooner or later it tends to be happening at much greater speeds, as allready stated by yourself in the original post.
My moto is if in doubt WATCH OUT! be safe and live another day.
Now is also a good time to book track days as they tend to be alot cheaper in the winter with less peoplr too
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You have to push yourself and your car BEYOND the limits to learn where they are so you know how to drive within them. It'll also train your subconscious how to react to what the car is doing (or telling you it's about to do), as if you have to think about it, it's usually too late. Natural car control takes experience and the best place to learn this is on a track.
You don't need a track monster car to start out learning better car control, just about anything will do, so don't worry about expensive upgrades before you go for a play on track. Wet track days are the best to learn, so book it and hope for rain!
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You'll also learn more about car control on a slippery track because every corner will be a challenge rather than a flat out 'hoon'
You have to push yourself and your car BEYOND the limits to learn where they are so you know how to drive within them. It'll also train your subconscious how to react to what the car is doing (or telling you it's about to do), as if you have to think about it, it's usually too late. Natural car control takes experience and the best place to learn this is on a track.
You don't need a track monster car to start out learning better car control, just about anything will do, so don't worry about expensive upgrades before you go for a play on track. Wet track days are the best to learn, so book it and hope for rain!
HTH
Steve
You have to push yourself and your car BEYOND the limits to learn where they are so you know how to drive within them. It'll also train your subconscious how to react to what the car is doing (or telling you it's about to do), as if you have to think about it, it's usually too late. Natural car control takes experience and the best place to learn this is on a track.
You don't need a track monster car to start out learning better car control, just about anything will do, so don't worry about expensive upgrades before you go for a play on track. Wet track days are the best to learn, so book it and hope for rain!
HTH
Steve
I would still recommend an airfield driver training day over a track day to find this kind of stuff out though.
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From some of the posts on here so far it seems that people have experienced a lot of scary moments.
However:
I was the same as you - I didn't want to push it around bends without finding the limits off the road (especially after having a 4WS car; they're dangerous in the wet!).
I did a training day which coincided with the worst weather of this year so far. I was mightily impressed by how the car reacts - when accelerating hard mid-corner (to find the limit) it just lost a little grip, telling me to back off of the throttle. I would imagine anything scary would be down to completely inappropriate speed into a corner.
Overall, I learnt that these cars are actually too fast for most on-road situations with all the curbs and vehicles, etc. (except in a straight line, of course).
If you don't want to shell out for a track day when it might not rain, try an empty supermarket car park when it does.
P.S. Watch out for adverse camber on corners too.
However:
I was the same as you - I didn't want to push it around bends without finding the limits off the road (especially after having a 4WS car; they're dangerous in the wet!).
I did a training day which coincided with the worst weather of this year so far. I was mightily impressed by how the car reacts - when accelerating hard mid-corner (to find the limit) it just lost a little grip, telling me to back off of the throttle. I would imagine anything scary would be down to completely inappropriate speed into a corner.
Overall, I learnt that these cars are actually too fast for most on-road situations with all the curbs and vehicles, etc. (except in a straight line, of course).
If you don't want to shell out for a track day when it might not rain, try an empty supermarket car park when it does.
P.S. Watch out for adverse camber on corners too.
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As others have said, it takes time to learn how far you can go, and every combination of driver and car will react to road and conditions differently. I have driven at high speed in the pissisting rain and felt invincible, but the Z3 following me had a rear end moment which caused us both to slow down. Conversely I did over 4K of damage on damp roads at 20 MPH. If you have the chance, then an airfield day sounds like a good thing to try, book it for June and the chances are it will be raining
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