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19 November 2008, 02:27 PM
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The speed of a Mig 25 was a bit of a myth, suppose to be able to reach high mach 2's but actually only just capable of mach 2, one nice german pilot dropped one off in berlin for NATO to look at, of course he was defecting at the time, so that helped 
The lightening though was one serious piece of kit, still one of the proven quickest fighters produced to date
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The lightening though was one serious piece of kit, still one of the proven quickest fighters produced to date
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19 November 2008, 05:07 PM
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)As far as I know the aircraft in question (XM172) is now back doing it's day job watching over the entrance to what used to be RAF Booker
19 November 2008, 06:18 PM
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The leading edge of the Starfighter's wings were apparently so sharp that they had to be covered on the ground to stop people cutting themselves!
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A few years back a VERY secret bit of kit had problems and landed there in the dead of night, leaving most of East Yorkshire rattling in it's wake. Came out on a lorry under a tarp !
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Oh, obligatory ugly aircraft pic. The ugliest available in fact.
19 November 2008, 08:52 PM
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The speed of a Mig 25 was a bit of a myth, suppose to be able to reach high mach 2's but actually only just capable of mach 2, one nice german pilot dropped one off in berlin for NATO to look at, of course he was defecting at the time, so that helped
The lightening though was one serious piece of kit, still one of the proven quickest fighters produced to date
Tony
The lightening though was one serious piece of kit, still one of the proven quickest fighters produced to date
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Mach 2.8+ and as far as I know Japan isn't in Europe. Other than that your post is accurate
19 November 2008, 11:53 PM
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Those were the days in the very early 80's after just joining the RAF, stood digging holes on the side of the runway at Finningley to lay cable, and these buggers taking off at regular intervals.... memories.
Didn't get much cable laid... as we watched them go vertical a few feet after take off....
Didn't get much cable laid... as we watched them go vertical a few feet after take off....
20 November 2008, 01:24 PM
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I did read one site about the Mig25 being dangerous!
Limited to Mach 2.5 or similar though possible of mach 3.2. @ 3.2 the engines damaged themselves.
Radar was simple but exceptionally powerful. Quote: "If activated on the ground it could fry a rabbit @ 1KM". Not something to get in front of at the wrong moment then.
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Limited to Mach 2.5 or similar though possible of mach 3.2. @ 3.2 the engines damaged themselves.
Radar was simple but exceptionally powerful. Quote: "If activated on the ground it could fry a rabbit @ 1KM". Not something to get in front of at the wrong moment then.
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20 November 2008, 05:03 PM
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I did read one site about the Mig25 being dangerous!
Limited to Mach 2.5 or similar though possible of mach 3.2. @ 3.2 the engines damaged themselves.
Radar was simple but exceptionally powerful. Quote: "If activated on the ground it could fry a rabbit @ 1KM". Not something to get in front of at the wrong moment then.
J.
Limited to Mach 2.5 or similar though possible of mach 3.2. @ 3.2 the engines damaged themselves.
Radar was simple but exceptionally powerful. Quote: "If activated on the ground it could fry a rabbit @ 1KM". Not something to get in front of at the wrong moment then.
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20 November 2008, 08:17 PM
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I'm not aware of any Coalition aircraft getting shot down due to dog fights in the Gulf war as Iraq never sortied aggressively. Only to run to Iran to save their remaining fleet from precision bombing.
20 November 2008, 08:19 PM
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That is the whole thing about the incident. There were a few pathetic scrambles and in that one case they figured the F-18 was "sucker punched" in the air by a Mig-25.
20 November 2008, 08:25 PM
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"During the 1991 Gulf War, US military officials initially claimed that no American aircraft was lost in air-to-air combat during the war. However, later investigations indicated that a US Navy F/A-18 piloted by Lieutenant Commander Scott Speicher was shot down by an air-to-air missile on the first night of the war.[4] The kill was reportedly made with a R-40DT missile fired from a MiG-25PDS flown by Lt. Zuhair Dawood of the 84th squadron of the IrAF.[5]"
An interesting read, the above is at the bottom.
TripAtlas.com - About Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25
An interesting read, the above is at the bottom.
TripAtlas.com - About Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25
20 November 2008, 09:33 PM
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Apparently not
Mig 25s 'loaned' to the Egyptian Air Force were clocked overflying Israel on reconnaissance flights in the early '70s at Mach 3.2, and Indian Air Force planes have been observed buzzing Pakistan at Mach 3+ by local and US observers
Mig 25s 'loaned' to the Egyptian Air Force were clocked overflying Israel on reconnaissance flights in the early '70s at Mach 3.2, and Indian Air Force planes have been observed buzzing Pakistan at Mach 3+ by local and US observers
20 November 2008, 11:32 PM
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There's a lightning parked at my local airfield just down the road
Solway Aviation Museum, Cumbria
I've not seen it for a few years as it was parked next to a Vulcan I was sitting in (one of the planes from the Black Buck missions)
It didn't look very happy......I seem to recall that the wings of the lightning were an integral part of the fuselage and if they were chopped off for transport then the main wheels could'nt support the aircraft again
The underneath seemed quite large so I guess it was an F MK6 version with enough fuel to get it past the airfield perimiter without running out of gas LOL
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I've not seen it for a few years as it was parked next to a Vulcan I was sitting in (one of the planes from the Black Buck missions)
It didn't look very happy......I seem to recall that the wings of the lightning were an integral part of the fuselage and if they were chopped off for transport then the main wheels could'nt support the aircraft again
The underneath seemed quite large so I guess it was an F MK6 version with enough fuel to get it past the airfield perimiter without running out of gas LOL
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21 November 2008, 01:49 PM
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my colleague has shares in one down in SA... (weren't allowed to keep it in the uk as it could outrun anything the RAF currently have so he says?!!)
(by flying I mean actually taking off, as opposed to doing runway runs )Which is one of the reasons the only flying ones in the world are at Thunder City in SA
21 November 2008, 02:08 PM
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I misunderstood what you said CPD, I thought you meant the engines were horizontally level in the fore and aft plane. You could well be right about a front and rear position, I confess that I don't know myself. I will see if I can find something out.
I think you'll find my description in post # 45 is accurate
21 November 2008, 02:16 PM
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There are some quite interesting reads about the Mig-31 on the net and on paper, especially about it's operational limitations.
It has a mid-descent cool down period after high speed dashes, due to the canopy, if not it would break due to the pressures/heat differences.
It has a mid-descent cool down period after high speed dashes, due to the canopy, if not it would break due to the pressures/heat differences.
21 November 2008, 02:23 PM
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This is the best Lightning story i've read....
English Electric Lightning Site - Story of the Month
"Everyone had a bash - F-15s, F-16s, F-14s, Mirages, F-104s - but only the Lightning managed to overhaul Concorde from behind"
English Electric Lightning Site - Story of the Month
"Everyone had a bash - F-15s, F-16s, F-14s, Mirages, F-104s - but only the Lightning managed to overhaul Concorde from behind"
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21 November 2008, 03:21 PM
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Almost certainly the way I read it!
During the first time that Iraq threatened Kuwait, we were all deployed from Germany to the Middle East to be ready to attack Iraq if they made a false move. Our Canberras were in the "interdictor" fit which meant we had a 20mm cannon gunpack mounted in the bomb bay and a 1,000 lb bomb clipped under each wing.
We had all seen the ability of the Iraqi pilots who had been trained in this country and we were running a book on who would shoot down the first Mig 17! We did get scrambled once but were recalled because they changed their minds and we did not get the chance to try! I was given an outstanding target but am not at liberty to say what it was.
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During the first time that Iraq threatened Kuwait, we were all deployed from Germany to the Middle East to be ready to attack Iraq if they made a false move. Our Canberras were in the "interdictor" fit which meant we had a 20mm cannon gunpack mounted in the bomb bay and a 1,000 lb bomb clipped under each wing.
We had all seen the ability of the Iraqi pilots who had been trained in this country and we were running a book on who would shoot down the first Mig 17!
We did get scrambled once but were recalled because they changed their minds and we did not get the chance to try! I was given an outstanding target but am not at liberty to say what it was.Les
21 November 2008, 03:51 PM
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Almost certainly the way I read it!
During the first time that Iraq threatened Kuwait, we were all deployed from Germany to the Middle East to be ready to attack Iraq if they made a false move. Our Canberras were in the "interdictor" fit which meant we had a 20mm cannon gunpack mounted in the bomb bay and a 1,000 lb bomb clipped under each wing.
We had all seen the ability of the Iraqi pilots who had been trained in this country and we were running a book on who would shoot down the first Mig 17! We did get scrambled once but were recalled because they changed their minds and we did not get the chance to try! I was given an outstanding target but am not at liberty to say what it was.
Les
During the first time that Iraq threatened Kuwait, we were all deployed from Germany to the Middle East to be ready to attack Iraq if they made a false move. Our Canberras were in the "interdictor" fit which meant we had a 20mm cannon gunpack mounted in the bomb bay and a 1,000 lb bomb clipped under each wing.
We had all seen the ability of the Iraqi pilots who had been trained in this country and we were running a book on who would shoot down the first Mig 17!
We did get scrambled once but were recalled because they changed their minds and we did not get the chance to try! I was given an outstanding target but am not at liberty to say what it was.Les
Even after all these years, and with the "man" dead?
21 November 2008, 05:25 PM
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The radar power output for that aircraft was 600KW. This power output was certainly excessive for the job, but not enough to do any damage to a rabbit at that range unless the rabbit was prepared to sit still for a few hours. It could perhaps stun a rabbit at a couple of hundred metres if aimed directly at it.
I used to work on air defence radar systems with a 5MW output. Now they could certainly do some damage. They could kill birds in only a few minutes if they were to sit on the waveguide horn.