p12mem

had the oem xenons on my old st focus and the signs were never that bright!

olliecampbell

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I've dropped the level of my lights one click and I don't get flashed anymore.

But I have always wondered why streetsigns are sooo much brighter.

Looking at a projector conversion to see if that makes it anybetter.

DaveBeck

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Been told the uk300 headlights are projectors so can support hids. is this true?

Aztec Performance Ltd

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Not one of ours? Send me your order number via PM if so. Never had a single kit come back to us yet. Nothing but glowing reports.

Aztec Performance Ltd

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Kits are marked for "off road use" both on the SN GB Page, and on the payments page.

Might start doing it for everything like exhausts, brakes etc which fall into the same category.

Cheers,

Bob

Jamo

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yes but you are basically saying thats a joke by adding the wink at the end? the same as all the idiots used to on here to avoid getting an infraction, after saying something they shouldnt

j

Aztec Performance Ltd

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No Sir. Just in keeping with the context.

I would add the same for all exhausts but there doesn't appear to be the same demand to (even though aftermarket exhaust are actually a problem with the law)

I was stopped by traffic police a few weeks ago on a routine stop (well, someone in a similar car was seen driving fast earlier in the day) and had a good chat with the Police officer. They did the usual roadside checks. Friendly officer, my mate joked that I should get a ticket for something, she smiled, looking at the exhaust and said she could if she wanted to.

Tried to sell her some HIDs, but she already had them d

Puff The Magic Wagon!

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Shaggy

You know very well what he means so behave. It may be illegal to use them on the road but its not illegal to have them or sell them as long as not used on the road.

This is the same for a whole host of items from de-cat exhausts to HIDs to laser defusers (aka laser door openers) and dark visors on bikes and indeed overly tinted windows on cars. Its not illegal to have them or to buy/sell them but if you use them on the road then be prepared to be nicked and fined.

It is up to you to decide whether or not you want to take the risk and buy them.

Cheers

Puff

Aztec Performance Ltd

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All headlamps on Subarus can support HIDs and are a great upgrade. With projectors they are absoulutley perfect with clean OE Factory HID cut-off lines etc.

Mikee

The HIDs on my MY05 Mini Cooper S make all the roadside signs appear bright, these are factory fitted and adjusted automatically, surely then it is an accepted amount of scatter?

DaveBeck

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ive got a set of hids on already and they work fine in the uk300 headlights, just checking really. never had any snags with them, no flashes etc.

whats the oe factory hid cut off line then?

Jamo

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you know as well as I do people that are buying them on here are not buying them for track cars.

I have trouble believing your response would have been the same had it been a private seller or indeed any other seller not related to scoobynet, you are a clever bloke and you know the craic.

james

Paul666

Why go on about HID's when the police don't even enforce the law on fog lights? Now that is a pain, twice the light output i.e. 220 watts instead of the 110 watts dipped beam and 110 watts of that from a lens that is designed to scatter light everywhere.

You have more trouble from poorly aligned lights than correctly aligned HID's but poorly aligned HID's stands out more so if you fit them it's best to have your alignment checked as more than likely you've take the headlights out as part of fitting the kit.

R4LLY

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Spot on,


Everyone on here mods there cars with "Illegal" parts, so why cause a fuss time and time again, over HID's?....

Just don't buy them if you don't want them, no need to bring it back up every few days..

R4LLY

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People that buy De-cats don't buy them for track cars, nor do people who buy Philips extreme bulbs, or Osram Nightbreakers...

Both the above Halogen bulbs are not suited for road use, as stated by their respective manufacturers, I still don't understand why the fuss specifically over HID's?...

110W bulbs and any bulb over 55w should not be fitted to your cars either.
A normal reflector headlight is designed to take a 55W halogen bulb, not 100, or 75 or 110w, however no-one brings up threads about the legality of them?..

HID's are in the same boat as the higher ouput halogen bulbs.

Microstar

Nightbreakers and Philips X-treme halogens are entirely road legal and DoT approved. They are within the power limit for road use and designed to work with any headlamp housing that accepts a halogen bulb.
HID's are legal provided the lens assembly is designed to accept them and you have levelling and washing devices fitted. The 'fuss' over HID's is because they are a totally different technology and if you haven't got correctly designed lenses and/or levelling then they cause blinding and back-scattering.
As ever, the people selling this stuff are not interested in legality or safety, just turning a profit.
Exhausts and de-cats are not really in the same category. Non-legal exhausts may cause annoyance, but they are not actually a hazard to other drivers.

p12mem

well put that man

Aztec Performance Ltd

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p12mem: Just to clarify your comments earlier on your HID kit and supplier - it wasn't us was it?

p12mem

no wasn't you, but he also say's the same as you that they are road and MOT legal, sales waffle.
i'd agree they work ok with lenses, no to classic lights though, but i cant judge yours unless i've MOT'd one of yours, no HID's have passed an MOT i've carried out without a lense no pattern and too much scatter

Aztec Performance Ltd

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It didn't sound like our kits or service

Ours are all marked "for off road use".

I have them on my classic for sometime now and they work far better than any uprated bulb. Never dazzle drivers, always passes MOTs

In fact all our customers have passed MOTs with our kits.

There are quite a few local cars running our kits and I pass them often, so can again verify that they don't dazzle.

The lights that do dazzle me are the OE HIDs on cars like Range Rovers etc which is unavoidable due to the light beam starting higher up on the vehicle in the first place and also those fitted to cars incorrectly (not aligned properly).

GC8

Id sooner use a torch than deal with a trader like you.

p12mem

maybe your lights are better, why dont you go find a big dark wall, point your car at it and take a picture, that may shut a few people up including me

GC8

I see that the thread where you admitted trying to price fix (and thereby rip SN members off) has been deleted: but it isnt forgotten.

Moley

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Maybe the 'problems' with HID's depend on different cars. I recently had a friend driving behind me in a Skyline with aftermarket HID's fitted, and i can honestly say i wasn't bothered by them once. They were slightly brighter than normal lights, but no worse than BMW's/Audi's etc with standard fit (fully legal) ones.

klidder

Not surpised. One time I asked this BOB bloke some Qns about his lights. He never answered the Qns for obvious reasons. Must have bought is scooby after ripping people off with the lights he sells.

jasonius

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This is my last comment on this thread, but on the issue of beam pattern I repeat, the tester on my last MOT only last month, actually said how good the pattern was. I didn't ask him, he just said it..

As a few of us have said earlier, the amount of reflection from M'way signs etc is NO different to OE HID's..!

With regards to decats etc, I doubt asthma sufferers would see them as being less of a 'problem'..!

Microstar

The amount of reflection from an M-way sign is just dependent on the amount of light falling on it. So aftermarket or OE HID's won't necessarily be different.
What will be different is the amount of scatter coming from MANY (not all) aftermarket HID kits and of course any blinding due to an aftermarket kit not having a levelling system.
Frankly I can't see the point of this thread. ALL aftermarket HID kits are essentially illegal for road use unless you also ensure the correct lenses, levelling and washing features are also fitted - i.e. do a full upgrade to OE HID spec.
There are too many garbage Chinese HID kits being sold and fitted by numpties - at least some have the sense to wind down the alignment so that they don't dazzle (but then their illumination is worse than the OE halogens ). Sooner or later there will be a big crackdown on aftermarket HID's.

As regards the decat comment - well, catalysts don't help with asthma reduction so asthma sufferers won't be bothered about decatting. Asthma is thought to be worsened by tiny soot particles smaller than 10 microns across (so called 'PM10' particles) - these mainly come from Diesel engines. So maybe worry about it when you have Diesel Impreza and want to decat it

DazW

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So in powerbulbs.com's 'opinion' HID's are illegal & recommend you purchase their *uprated* xenon bulbs instead! fpmsl

They back their argument with expert 'opinion' from various sources & also include the 'opinion' of the DoT & the not so expert 'opinion' of Autoexpress.

There's just one small problem ...It's the use of the word 'opinion'

Experts, Autoexpress, SN masses & even the DoT can give as much opinion as they like regarding HID's ...but it doesn't make diddly squat difference their legality.

AFAIAA The ONLY article that people should refer to when it comes to legality of vehicle lighting is the '88 Road Traffic Act (which surprisingly doesn't mention HID's too much)

The above act has certain criteria for vehicle bulbs & if adhered to, can be used perfectly legally.

TonyBurns

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You know, I only thought that HID's fitted from the factory were legal, any after market units were illegal for road use.

Tony

R4LLY

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I was talking about the higher voltage Halogen "upgrades" that people use.

Any 55w is legal, however many use higher voltage Halogens which are not technically "legal".

A mis-aligned halogen bulb will also cause blinding and a danger for other road users.

This is the whole point of a MOT.

IF a HID fitted car passes the MOT tests on beam pattern, then it IS safe for the road.
This is the sole reason why the guidelines cannot be enforced, and will NOT be enforced, because there are kits which pass the beam pattern tests and therefore NOT cause any hazards to other users.

So how can they ban them if the ONLY ideology behind the legality of HID's is that they will cause glare when fitted to a reflector headlight. This is clearly proven wrong when many people even from this forum have passed the MOT regulations without any issue.

The "guidelines" were only introduced to ensure manufacturers did not cut any corners when producing Xenon equipped vehicles. Even if you read the Guidelines, it says "in the DVLA's View" they are Illegal, this is only a view and not a statement of law or fact.


As said before, thankfully our government has better things to spend money on than trying to enforce ropey "guidelines" that could never stand up in court.

Modifying a vehicle in order to increase it's performance will increase it's risk to other road users (Regardless of beliefs in your own driving ability).
Which is why a de-cat or an exhaust is just as dangerous as anything else.



Everything has already been covered many times before:

https://www.scoobynet.com/lighting-o...read-here.html


HID's being Illegal is the new Ken Block!