Boro

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Timwinner

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This is absolute rubbish. I have never witnessed such tubthumping biased propaganda in years.
I feel sick the way they have reported this in such a one sided way. I'm utterly lost for words.

Now begin the shouting at me everyone, but I for one have been in that situation and can clearly see the police have done nothing wrong there.
I have served in the forces too and that man should be ashamed that he has behaved in such a fashion.

I have can dignify no further response to anything about this topic. Pure outrage is the only thing I feel about this story.

Thats my one and final contribution to this non story.

Boro

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Good.

MooseRacer

Couldn't sgree more. Act like scum get dealt with accordingly.

David Lock

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........... and can clearly see the police have done nothing wrong there.


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I think we may have been viewing different videos. I saw the one where the guy's head was rubbed against the road and he was repeatedly punched whilst being held down

dl

Boro

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Some prime fodder for special's in ere. They must be called Special for a reason

fatherpierre

He held him to effect an arrest. Quite normal, proportianate and legal. It is done daily with drunk people or people that kick off when getting arrested. The punching and head-banging has nothing to do with him.

Yourt last sentence is frankly idiotic.

Removed.

"PC Lightfoot, who weighs more than 20st, bangs Mark’s head on the road twice before leaning over and shouting into his ear, while his two colleagues kneel on Mark’s legs.

Mark, in pain, tries to kick out and bites one of the officer’s legs in self-defence."

So, they knew he was going to bite them, or they did that for being drunk and shouting abuse? Which one, because if it's the second, it's still OTT, if it's the first, then they're obviously wasted in the police as they have pre-cognitive powers.

In my opinion, based solely on the article and the video, they used excessive force. Now unless you were an impartial witness at the time, you can only base your opinion on the same info. Anything else is supposition.

fatherpierre

If someone's biting and not letting go then getting smashed in the face is perfectly legal in order to make him release.

I'd do the same, as would everybody else!

Bonehead

As previously stated, we're only seeing the 'highlights' on the vids.

What exactly did this guy say to the three plod? Certainly it was enough that THREE of them went after him to arrest him. In my experience this means he's opened up pretty forcefully and ignored a warning or two, or come out with the usual anti-plod claptrap.
Anyone notice the way the CCTV jumps just before the Police start walking towards him? CCTV shouldn't do that unless there's bits missing (which there clearly is) How do we know there's not a shot of him challenging the Police, or them asking him to leave, etc, etc

"The Police get paid to remove such people from the streets"
Well here you are this can be the reality of life on a night out when someone's had too much. What do you expect "Err excuse me Sir could you be a good old chap and put your hands together so we can arrest you"
Nope when folks are drunk they're not going to be reasonible. They're going to put up a fight. If you watch the officers are trying to get his hands out from underneath his body so he can be cuffed. The other officers are controlling him so he cant lash out, sorry but this is pretty standard control method stuff.
For me the special is the problem here. It's not for no reason a mate of mine who's a Police Sgt says "in my experience they're a bunch of over the top fcukwits". They even used to be called Traffic Cones, cause that's all they were good for.
Anyway, how on earth he can justify rubbing this guys face in the ground is beyond me. This is wrong, everythings else here is no wrse than you'd see on an episode of Street Crime UK. He's barely punching him either, in fact we cant see if he's doing that to release the guys grip on something.

"what was wrong with handcuffing the man locking him up for the night and sentancing him the next day"
Ok, so firstly they've got to stick the cuffs on him. He's refusing, fighting back in fact by biting the Police Officer (which it's worth noting is missing from the footage), how are they supposed to cuff him when he's sat on top of his hands?
They do this by controlling him and getting him to release his arms so he can be cuffed.

It makes me laugh when people go on about how they want the Plod to be tougher like on Life on Mars and yet when the public see the reality of Policing they act like a bunch of social workers and start whinging.

The fact he's either Army or ex-Army is irrelevant here.
I wouldn't think I'd be too far from the truth if I summed it up that, A pi55ed up guy starts taunting Police Officers then puts up a struggle when he gets arrested. The Special goes ott (nowt new there) and the liberal types get their knickers in a twist.

Policing's not nice - Get over it

daddyscoob

ermm what exactly did he do that was illegal saw the police do illegal stuff but I wasn't aware waving a finger at police entitled them to enmass hold you down and beat you

fatherpierre

Threats, swearing etc. are all offences under the public order act 1986.

Only the 3 officers will know what he was saying as the guy was w@nkered, by his own admission.

richie001

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You call that Police brutality ?

This is Police brutality.

YouTube - Rodney King

phil_wrx

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the same thing happened to me and i was battered by 3 officers while i was cuffed

anyways just because he has bitten an officer doesnt give them the right to batter him, if u bit me and i battered you would the police let me off or would i get hauled to court?

fatherpierre

If he was biting and not letting go, then hitting him 'til he let go is legal.

DYK

Swearing and threats is the norm to any Hardened copper,who is out patrolling on a weekend.I got nothing against using force when it's needed.The coppers didn't even know who they were after to start with,this guy was actually innocent and was just making his way home.They seen him in the street and decided he must be the suspect so gave chase.The guy maybe said a few swear words back,any copper would expect that to happen and deal with it alot better than what these guys did.At the end of the day,Three coppers one being almost 20 stone in weight,should be able to restrain and handle one drunk guy more efficently than this.I could see the need for force and aggression if it was say a group of guys,he was one drunk guy by himself.Actually id of hate to of seen what would of happened if it was a group of guys,if these three coppers can't even handle one.

fatherpierre

As is getting spat at and assaulted. It's still illegal and not on.

So they should ignore it because they're used to it? Where does end? Oh, hospital staff should be used to drunks assaulting them and giving them grief............

Either the police enforce the law of they don't. He'd have got the exact same trreatment, just minus banging of the head and maybe the punches from any police officers, anywhere in the country if he's have acted in the manner described.

Removed.

Exactly the point! They were wrong to do what they did, at best it was the heat of the moment, at worst it was deliberate thuggery.

fatherpierre

Yes, but he'd have been on the floor, flattended and bruised anyway - you have to do this to arrest drunken idiots who resist. The punches may have been proportionate - the head banging certainly wasn't though.

All I'm saying is that it's hard in that situation. Only if you have done it can you understand it. One/two of the 3 stepped over the line for sure, though.

DYK

When it takes three coppers to restrain a single drunk man in the way in which they did,there is obviously something wrong with their defence training.Not to blow my own trumpet but i could of touched that guy and dropped him in seconds and had him either in cuffs or zip ties.It don' take three coppers to go through all that.Were not dealing with 5 or 6 drunk angry guys here,thats a whole different ball game,and thats all im gonna say on the matter.I do know coppers have a tough job,and Nurses are not Coppers,and i presume are not subject to the same training as Police..

Bonehead

Oh shut up, now you think you're Jason Bourne

fatherpierre

You must be well hard. Have you ever tried it, or are you just going on what you 'think' it is like?

If you can get someone in cuffs on your own that doesn't want to be, then you must have 4 or 6 arms and the strength on a bull.

Even getting a kid into cuffs that doesn't want to be is an effort for 2 blokes. You're always taught to go in en masse. It's not a hardness competion, but real life where people pull out knives and sometimes dirty syringes.

fatherpierre

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s70rjw

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So you've been in that position then? Tell us all about it.
Most police officers could "drop" someone. "Dropping" someone doesn't really help in effecting an arrest. Police officers don't "drop" people and walk away. You still have an arrest to make. How did you control the arrestee until a van arrived? Was there a hostile crowd? That is where heroes such as youreslf and police officers who act lawfully differ.
Why not wait until you can see the CCTV in its entirity until you pass judgement? If the special went over the top, he should face the court.

Bonehead

Utter genius

DYK

I said i wasnt going to comment on this again but yea mate scraping someones face against tarmac and punching them in the head several times is really an effective arrest isn't it,i can see how they are professionals.im not going to go into my background on here.enough said.

rob878

What i can't believe is being missed by the intellectual massive of the scoobynet massive is the it's NOT the beating that is the issue.

If it had been a skinny 19yo chav with badly fitting tracksuit and base ball cap, the Daily Mail reading majority would have been hailing a:

"Police get tough on binge drinking youths in our inner cities" however as it was a Lance Jack who spent time in the Gulf the red tops cry "WAR HERO battered by police"

The fact that the 3 ******* lied to obtain a conviction seems to have passed by!!

I'm sure the people like BravoZero-SPS and maybe Fatherpeirre whilst on his commissioned flower arranging duties, would have witnessed the red caps swinging (ie swinging fists truncheons, kicks and heads) to clear bars in Colchester, maybe wouldn't be too sympathetic to the lance jack in question.

However civpol serve the public in a democratic society, whereas the Redcaps and their gheyer Snowdrop cousins serve an autonomous dictatorship that is only wrong when you challenge them. After that they are usual proved to be massively wrong.

fatherpierre

But you said you could get that man in cuffs on your own.

You couldn't - it's impossible to get a grown man in cuffs alone, if they are fighting back.

fatherpierre

Eh?

You been on the sauce? Your post reads like you're twatted and makes little sense