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Old 30 November 2008, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
Your post reads like you're twatted and makes little sense
.... as usual
Old 30 November 2008, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
Eh?

You been on the sauce? Your post reads like you're twatted and makes little sense
Yes twatted, it'll make sense in the morning when i edit it with my sober eyes in

Oh and shut it DCI, ps i'll need a job soon with your types, you know i'll fit right in with your pished head civvy banter.

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Old 30 November 2008, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rob878


I'm sure the people like BravoZero-SPS and maybe Fatherpeirre whilst on his commissioned flower arranging duties, would have witnessed the red caps swinging (ie swinging fists truncheons, kicks and heads) to clear bars in Colchester, maybe wouldn't be too sympathetic to the lance jack in question.
This bit in particular got me?
Old 30 November 2008, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
This bit in particular got me?
Father i was labouring under the impression that you in a past life was a chinless wonder in the RAF, and maybe would have witnessed the armys finest redcaps (RMPs) leathering the crap out of various ranks from various sqn's/ regiments, leatherings that would have made specials lightfoots efforts rather tame.

However i fear i may have mistaken your flower arranging duties in the officers mess for someone else . I apologise.
Old 30 November 2008, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rob878
Father i was labouring under the impression that you in a past life was a chinless wonder in the RAF, and maybe would have witnessed the armys finest redcaps (RMPs) leathering the crap out of various ranks from various sqn's/ regiments, leatherings that would have made specials lightfoots efforts rather tame.

However i fear i may have mistaken your flower arranging duties in the officers mess for someone else . I apologise.

Ah. Yes, I was in the RAF for a while - 13yrs, to be precise.

And I did lodge in the Officers' Mess for a time, but did also do my time being treated like a **** before the commission bit. Leaving was the best bit though.

I don't recall much violence from any of the 'police' the military have though. They were usually thick and hid behind the German Sheps they had.

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Old 30 November 2008, 10:57 PM
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It normally takes us 2-3 officers to restrain and cuff a drunken and/or drugged bafoon.

I don't think people appreciate the strength of people who are drink & drug fueled and running on adrenaline.

Thats not to say i condone the video and banging/rubbing heads etc. is a clear no no. With 3 of them and the suspect on the floor, the rest should be straight forward. No gathering crowd to consider - they had plenty of time to relax and do things properly and hence not put anyone (including themselves) in any danger.
Old 30 November 2008, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
Ah. Yes, I was in the RAF for a while - 13yrs, to be precise.

And I did lodge in the Officers' Mess for a time, but did also do my time being treated like a **** before the commission bit. Leaving was the best bit though.

I don't recall much violence from any of the 'police' the military have though. They were usually thick and hid behind the German Sheps they had.
I thoroughly concur on the final part, days and counting. .

Amazing how this didn't descend into infractions (yes i know that they are gone now), but rather one sober person chatted to a pished person and an accord was reached. A triumph for conversation.

Now back to the topic in hand................................hang the guilty *******s yes i know it's a gun barrel but it's the best i can do at the moment.

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Old 30 November 2008, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Felix.
It normally takes us 2-3 officers to restrain and cuff a drunken and/or drugged bafoon.

I don't think people appreciate the strength of people who are drink & drug fueled and running on adrenaline.

Thats not to say i condone the video and banging/rubbing heads etc. is a clear no no. With 3 of them and the suspect on the floor, the rest should be straight forward. No gathering crowd to consider - they had plenty of time to relax and do things properly and hence not put anyone (including themselves) in any danger.
Indeed.

Just getting a cuff on one wrist takes 2 hands, so imagine if you're faced with a young, strong/fit and drunk one that doesn't fancy being cuffed?
Old 30 November 2008, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
Indeed.

Just getting a cuff on one wrist takes 2 hands, so imagine if you're faced with a young, strong/fit and drunk one that doesn't fancy being cuffed?
I know. Been there, done that - opened a small T-shirt factory
Old 30 November 2008, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Felix.
I know. Been there, done that - opened a small T-shirt factory

Snap.

I also do car stickers, and weekend tourist tours on it.
Old 30 November 2008, 11:24 PM
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That was disgusting, that fat ******* officer punching him in the back and scraping his cheeks across the floor, lol police sometimes make me laugh. Most are nice, the rest are absolute high horse arseholes!

Police round here, if confronted by a drunk like that resisting arrest, will take as many officers needed to restrain the person, although NO force like that is used whatsoever, and the same on many occasions ive seen. To say that "Punching him may of led to him backing down and let them cuff him" is complete bollocks n all, there was no need to punch him or rub his face like I see the copper at the front doing, couldnt really see what the one at the back was doing though, but PC fatboy was well out of order. Why didnt they just Nut him in the nose with their foreheads one by one to "drop" him and then he'd be knocked out thus no resisting the arrest, lol if they done all that on the floor they may aswell of smashed him in the face while standing.

idiots.....to think the tax i pay goes towards w@nkers like that "protecting and serving" the community, complete farce!
Old 30 November 2008, 11:29 PM
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Hero?? he gets paid and free medical. his decision , As for the cops, no big deal his injuries didnt look bad at all.
Old 30 November 2008, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Luke
Hero?? he gets paid and free medical. his decision , As for the cops, no big deal his injuries didnt look bad at all.
Yerrrr because you'd be thinking the exact same statement if it was YOU that it happened to
Old 30 November 2008, 11:39 PM
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Luke... your location is correct. That is all.
Old 30 November 2008, 11:42 PM
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Nice
Old 01 December 2008, 02:30 AM
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Lukes world also forgot about the £350 compensation he had to pay and 200 hours of community service he got, aswell as a suspended sentence. Nice!
Old 01 December 2008, 07:38 AM
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All I can say, is that it is good to see a Special getting his hands dirty, rather than calling for assistance.
I fear however, that his career may have a somewhat meteoric aspect to it.
Old 01 December 2008, 07:43 AM
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I wonder:
How many warnings he got before they approached him.
Did they arrest him and read him his rights.
Did they advise him to stop moving and calm down at any point.

The guy is face down, cuffed behind his back, with one officer pushing down on his back, one holding his legs and the 20 stone special punching him repeatedly.
The officers lied in their statements and during the video the special can be seen looking to check for witnesses.

If the guy was known to the police, then mistaken identity cannot be any excuse for the officers.

I'm not a fan of drunken behavior, but that is serious overkill.
If you ever wondered why our police don't have guns...
Old 01 December 2008, 08:05 AM
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But the same thing would not happen to 'us'. I'd never put myself in that position.

Originally Posted by ash002004
Yerrrr because you'd be thinking the exact same statement if it was YOU that it happened to
Old 01 December 2008, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Abdabz
The way the story unfolds as you read more and more actually makes it quite interesting...

There is the mirrors slant - Innocent brave war vet get beaten up for doing nothing wrong by 3 malicious evil coppers. From the headline you wouldnt be wrong for thinking before his arrest he was in a meadow painting flowers, conversing with the birds.

Then there is the counter slant - Drunken yob approached by police is chased, caught, shouts drunken somethingorothers at 3 policeman who make a rather rough and somewhat unfair arrest. Drunken yob complains about his arrest by biting a copper, which is about as scummy and obscene an assault as can be. Drunken yob takes a splattering and gets thrown in the cell for biting an officer of the law.
Anyman that goes around biting policemen is likely to be assaulted by them...

Just because some folk signed up to be a soldier and survived a posting or two in the middle east doesnt mean they are all perfect citizens...
I think you have prejudices against Service personnel and that this is colouring your post in this respect.

It is pretty revealing from that video that the police acted well beyond their remit as far as this man was concerned. There was no excuse for treating him in such a vicious manner and it is hardly surprising that he bit the copper's leg in self defence.

Treating someone is such a manner is tantamount to using their position as an excuse to give him a beating and they should be made to suffer the full consequences of their actions.

I was disturbed to see a report which says that a criminal offence does not necessarily bar a policeman from continuing in his job. Apparently there are a good few officers who have been convicted of criminal offences and have been allowed to continue as police officers! I find that difficult to believe.

Still if you can lead a government department and be party to an enormous **** up resulting in serious consequencies and still keep your job and get bonuses too, how can we possibly complain about the above!"

Les
Old 01 December 2008, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by rob878
Father i was labouring under the impression that you in a past life was a chinless wonder in the RAF, and maybe would have witnessed the armys finest redcaps (RMPs) leathering the crap out of various ranks from various sqn's/ regiments, leatherings that would have made specials lightfoots efforts rather tame.

However i fear i may have mistaken your flower arranging duties in the officers mess for someone else . I apologise.
You really did make an **** of yourself didn't you!

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Old 01 December 2008, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
You really did make an **** of yourself didn't you!

Les
Well after having to rub shoulders with officers for so long, certain things do tend to rub off.
Old 01 December 2008, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by rob878
Well after having to rub shoulders with officers for so long, certain things do tend to rub off.
Did they let you get that close?

Full marks for almost apologising to FP though'

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Old 01 December 2008, 01:48 PM
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There was no offence taken, Leslie.

It takes more than someone taking the mick out my doing well in an old job to hurt this miserable git
Old 01 December 2008, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rob878
What i can't believe is being missed by the intellectual massive of the scoobynet massive is the it's NOT the beating that is the issue.

If it had been a skinny 19yo chav with badly fitting tracksuit and base ball cap, the Daily Mail reading majority would have been hailing a:

"Police get tough on binge drinking youths in our inner cities" however as it was a Lance Jack who spent time in the Gulf the red tops cry "WAR HERO battered by police"

The fact that the 3 ******* lied to obtain a conviction seems to have passed by!!

I'm sure the people like BravoZero-SPS and maybe Fatherpeirre whilst on his commissioned flower arranging duties, would have witnessed the red caps swinging (ie swinging fists truncheons, kicks and heads) to clear bars in Colchester, maybe wouldn't be too sympathetic to the lance jack in question.

However civpol serve the public in a democratic society, whereas the Redcaps and their gheyer Snowdrop cousins serve an autonomous dictatorship that is only wrong when you challenge them. After that they are usual proved to be massively wrong.

For the record, the best and our most usual MO would make sure any civvies etc were well clear, let them drink the place dry and then move in once they fell asleep. I remember being on one shout where some idiot Rupert decided to send some dogs in ...3 went in and only 1 came out.
Old 01 December 2008, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Luke
Hero?? he gets paid and free medical. his decision , As for the cops, no big deal his injuries didnt look bad at all.
LOL....So technically - as you see it - only a bum not earning a wage with no medical can be a hero.

Geni-****!!!
Old 01 December 2008, 06:58 PM
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same thing happened the the missus uncle tbh

so this video does not surprise me in the slightest
Old 01 December 2008, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ash002004
Yerrrr because you'd be thinking the exact same statement if it was YOU that it happened to
I do not ever remember going out and been a mouthy idiot to the Police.

There is more to this than what shows on the CCTV i imagine . Hard luck to the guy. And if the Police are in trouble hard luck to them.

But all this "hero " krap is madness. what difference does his job make ?
Old 01 December 2008, 07:15 PM
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I guess I'm alone in not having much sympathy for the guy. You spout off at authority whilst drunk something WILL happen.

Originally Posted by davyboy
But the same thing would not happen to 'us'. I'd never put myself in that position.
No, Im alright. I've been out an got bladdered. But in something like 15 years of drinking. I've never been accosted by the Police once. Let alone resisted arrest or even been cautioned.

I'm so boring
Old 01 December 2008, 07:54 PM
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I've been arrested for a few things but each one because some **** has told them it was me for whatever...only for them to later apologise and admit they got the wrong person. Yeah I've mouthed off at police, some of their procedures are pathetic, like the pushing one. If in a crowd theyre trying to disperse, and the person wont move away, they can then push them with both hands, fair enough. But I once witnessed a little 15yr old boy (and i mean little as in very short, and small) being shoved to the ground with such force he had to have stitches in his head bless him. very good lad he is aswell. no need for that!

Cant say ive ever been in the situation though where iv excessively mouthed off at policemen, yeah ive had a go and expressed my feelings, but not to the intent that im rugby tackled by the fattest guy on the beat and punched and assaulted on the concrete tarmac! simply outrageous


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