moff1888

Surely its better they assume everyone is carrying a knife etc than making the mistake of allowing said ring piece in the club/pub.

Torquemada

Yeah, precisely what I was meaning when I said to SB that he probably knows the reason they tar everyone with the same brush.
If it stops some nutters bringing knives/guns in to the club, then fair enough

LG John

Agree and maybe it's just me but I like to think I'm a pretty good judge of character. I can usually tell the extremities (i.e. areshole/nice guy) fairly quickly.

I think the one that used to bug me the most was when I was in my mid 20s there was a group of 4-6 of us that used to go out every now and again. A few of us are big lads but we all look fairly normal and held respectable jobs. You couldn't meet a nicer bunch of blokes and we just wanted to go out, have a few beers and argue over who's mum would get it the hardest, who's car was the fastest and who's ***** was the biggest. In an ideal world we'd hit the dancefloor for the last hour, flail our legs and arms around aimlessly and somehow attract the attentions of a female willing to be boned that evening. Failing that, at closing up time we'd drink up, find a pizza shop and walk in the direction of home until a cab for hire passed. No harm, no foul and between us we'd sink several hundred behind the bar easily.

However, there you'd be in the queue waiting to get in. Each of us have only had a few tinnies in the house to get us going on the cheep and because there was 4-6 guys in a group they conclude you are going in to cause trouble, sell drugs, whatever?? Then comes some bull**** excuse why one/some/all of you can't get in such as your shoes or the club being full despite other people with similar footwear having been allowed in moments before, etc. You try to reason with them but it falls on deaf ears. I've even told it to them like it is: "look, I understand the footware/clubs full [delete as applicable] thing is just an excuse and that actually you are concerned at letting a group of 4-6 blokes into the establishment in case we cause bother. We're not like that, we just want some beers and a place to admire the totty" ......and still you're told to **** off

LG John

FWIW, getting married and not having to worry about any of this cr@p again is pretty blissful

Torquemada

Yeah, the problem is, they do hear similar things from the knife carriers and such. Not all violent persons or drug dealers sound like a dumb gangster or whatever people presume is the stereotype.

The not letting blokes in in groups is not exactly difficult to get around anyway. I used to go out to clubs (no not gay ones, Luke) with mates (and some of us did look a bit scarey tbh) and we'd just space ourselves out a bit and go in in-between other groups and all was fine, assuming we weren't dressed like oiks.

You too are tarring all bouncers with the same brush, as they do with us, no biggy really

Torquemada

subaruturbo_18

Its like your telling me about most of my weekends for the last few years

yoza

Saxo Boy has basically summed it up from the punters side of the door.

Now a thought from the other side of the door...

Four lads, two in hoodies are refused entry to a late bar/pub for not conforming to managements dress code, a dress code not manufactured by the door staff, just enforced by them.

One doorman changes his mind and reasons with the two, " leave your hoods down and you can go in with your mates."

Later on he notices one of the lads at the bar with his hood up, so he shows him the door...the said hoody shoots him in the neck, paralyzing him for life.

The doorman is married with two young kids. He was no bully just a guy making ends meet by subsidizing his day job wages with a £50 a night door job.

This isnt something I have made up to try and balance the thread, it happened.

Its not all drunken one sided brawls, and easy tipsy tottey, its life and death.

Torquemada

Well said

moff1888

All bouncers are thugs, all drinkers are knife wielding thugs and all Scooby drivers are road rage fuelled, law breaking road thugs.

There consider yourself tarred!!!

That should about cover it.

apples24

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i thought it was the cossie drivers that are road rage fueled petrol heads, all of the a bit of a geezer type thing.


i see scooby drivers as suits to be honest, with the odd exception.

RyanSTI

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LOL

Luke

Does not make it near equal. Bouncers have killed more and hurt far more in club history. And most of the time they over reacted due to been bone heads on steroids because they had some sort of homo thing going on in the gyms and prisons.

Torquemada

Luan Pra bang

Oceana does have a bit of a history with bouncers, They managed to kill a bloke in milton keynes then 'lost' the cctv footage showing what really happend. The problem is that while some are OK many of the young lads who work on doors have a point to prove and are only there for the violence and power trip.
Remember though that if you are asked to leave a club it is up to them not you they do not need a reason. just down your drink and go and if it bothers you that much do not go back.

Abdabz

It's great being in my thirties now and going by the motto that if a pub needs bouncers it doesnt need my custom

seab

Very constructive, ever done the job? If you had you would know how crap a job it is, we have no power and we know it, we do the managers bidding whether we agree or not.

I only do it while im in uni as its a well paid job for a student (funds this stupid desire for a fast car that i have lol).

Agreed there are a lot of bad ones out there, We are not all punch happy thugs i've been beaten black and blue in the 4 years ive done this job and only ONCE ever retaliated (and i missed with the punch anyway lol), took the guy out who punched me and spoke to him and burried the hatchet on the way out.

To the OP (got no beef with you dude, but from an inside point of view), after being asked to leave 3 times they are entitled to remove you (reasonable force of course).

As for what happened in the medical room sounds very dodgy man. Chase it up with police as every club ive worked in has CCTV in the medical room for the victims protection (rape, batterings etc). No point in demanding the footage as somone on here suggested as part data protection they wont give it out and they dont have to. However, the police can demand it as part of investigation.

Upon being thrown out you should have called for an ambulance dude, police would have had no choice but to deal with it then, (from past experience the police probably though your mate had been fighting and had been put out, and you were trying to drop the doorstaff in the s**t, we know you werent but it happens alot thats why they said report tomorrow i.e when your sober).

This next bit will spark off some debate, and im not agreeing with the bouncers they sound bang out of order and disgusting behavior

BUT when you came back at them with your mates, they can technically defend themselves

(before anyone shouts at me saying there was no need to hit them blah blah i will explain.)

As there was a few of you (not sure how many bouncers on the door), all the bouncers had to say was i was in fear of my life, as lets be honest ive put a fair few people out (most on good terms, less hassle that way i find) but a few come back and its not to be freinds.

So if they were to beleive you were coming back to start something they are entitled to strike first (again pre-emptive not complete battering lol).

My advice, make sure your man went to hosp to get checked over, and make sure any injuries were recorded. Then he can go to the police and they have to look into it as it becomes assault/ABH/GBH if they drew blood with your mate it may be ABH.
Also get your mate to write to the management of oceana saying what happened, and that it will be taken further.

Again as i said im not having a pop at the original poster, the door staff were out of order, its numpties like them that give us all a bad name. Im sure there will be another 5million people picking holes in what i say, but as i work in Oceana Swansea i class myself as capable of giving an insight.

If you need the managers name of the club drop me a PM and i will see if i can get it when im in work in our club next

subaruturbo_18

cheers for all of the info and help there buddy. but its ok i wont need the managers name as its already been taken to the police and dealt with accordingly.

to summarize everything you have said in respect of an insight to the job, i do understand that a bouncer can defend them selves in a case where somebody brings mates back, and it may have seemed like that at the time but we just wanted a few answers (and apart from that we were outnumbered by the bouncers and were not exactly an aggressive looking group, infact once when we were out we got asked if we were a boyband )

and i diddn't have to get asked 3 times to leave, they asked me to leave once and i questioned it while walking out, then i was stood just outside of the main room with a bouncer by my side and i asked again, and then once more whilst being walked out. I asked 3 times on pure curiosity as i was a bit confused as to why i was getting removed

J4CKO

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Asking you to leave is either good bouncers removing a possible problem from a well run establishment for the benefit of the other customers or alternatively they you haven't done anything wrong, they are bored and don't like your face, so are looking for any excuse to kick it, so in either case, there is a reason they are bouncers so don't give any attitude, don't give them a reason, use every ounce of you charm and go somewhere else, its one of those situations where right and wrong don't really apply and not realising this hurts.

I empathise with bouncers, the world is full of drunken yobbos,its like i sympathise with the Police but I also ask that they at least give any given person a chance to play their hand before they benefit from the kicking they didn't get chance to give the last bloke. I can't deal with the public for any duration, most are alright but some really try your patience, that said I wouldn't really kick the **** out of someone for objecting to being kicked out.