polar performance chip
21 December 2008, 04:35 PM
#31
As Rossyboy has stated before as well, if your running stage one sort of mods, then the chip will be more then capable. However I think Mus is referring to the individuals who get something like a chip, and then uprate other factors which are not included within the map on the chip. Unfortunately there are many new buyers who believe a chip is all that's required for any sort of uprated modification, which is why they may tend to break.
IF your only after simple mods then yes, the chip IS worthwhile. IF your only going to uprate fuelling/turbo etc 6 months later, it's more cost effective to get a mappable ECU in the 1st place.
Scott's chips are all tried and tested and work well for what they are. Some people spend big initially to save after, some people are happy with staying at stage 1, horses for courses....
21 December 2008, 04:46 PM
#32
Just to be clear, from what I have picked up on, the map is based around:
- 97 SUL fuel (specifically Esso Supreme)
- 380cc injectors
- Uprated panel filter (possibly cone/mushroom filter?)
- TD05 16G turbo
- v.1/2 TMIC
- Decat downpipe + full system
- 97 SUL fuel (specifically Esso Supreme)
- 380cc injectors
- Uprated panel filter (possibly cone/mushroom filter?)
- TD05 16G turbo
- v.1/2 TMIC
- Decat downpipe + full system
Last edited by joz8968; 21 December 2008 at 04:50 PM.
21 December 2008, 04:50 PM
#33
Perfect for a stage 1 Impreza, lovely road car, but everyone eventually gets the bug
- moved from PP chip to Apexi PFC, etc. (FMIC, 440s & upped boost in Spring...
21 December 2008, 05:12 PM
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I fitted one to my last car, and fitted one to the RA i have now untill i needed to go the ESL live route as i needed to have a proper map for the other mods(see profile!)
The difference was well worth the money. I spoke to Scott via pm, and he said the map was good for a car with exhaust and filter mods.
There are many chips out their, and a lot of bad ones. The polar shouldn't be associated with these.
One thing i would say is, if your going to want more in the future, then save your money for the ESL. Costs £550+ vat fitted/mapped, and can be re-mapped as required.
Mit
The difference was well worth the money. I spoke to Scott via pm, and he said the map was good for a car with exhaust and filter mods.
There are many chips out their, and a lot of bad ones. The polar shouldn't be associated with these.
One thing i would say is, if your going to want more in the future, then save your money for the ESL. Costs £550+ vat fitted/mapped, and can be re-mapped as required.
Mit
Last edited by mit; 21 December 2008 at 05:29 PM.
21 December 2008, 06:44 PM
#39
I've had about 3 of these chips now, and as an out of the box cheap plug and plug mod its the best money you can spend per BHP/drivability gain. As said they are very much for people with more or less a stock car apart from say a decat and maybe a panel filter or induction.
If you only running a 240bhp WRX rather than the 260bhp wrx then this chip is even better bang for ya buck. As it can still use your ECU not the Z4 ECU, and take your car to around 280bhp (sti performance). Now that is value for money performance modding.!
But I would say be warned there are some cheaper copies about that I would run a mile from. Scotts maps are tried and tested. Note the standard ECU has a degree of safety within and will pull some timing if it think it needs to.
Anyone looking for 440 injectors, bigger turbos then the ESL is far better than apexi IMO and its live mapping abilities are great, and it still utlizes some of the safety features of the stock ECU. i,e again if it detects knock it will pull a few degrees. Unlike apexi which is very showy and bling, but does exactly what the map tells it to do irrespective of temp etc.
Scotts map is probably running the same safety margins as the stock car, but the main increase is likely to be from the boost increase over stock. But obviously the fueling and ignition has been adjusted to allow for the increase in boost.
So I would say his chip will and can fit all. OK the boost has increased which will naturally put a bigger strain on the turbo and engine but in terms of ignition and fueling its probably just as fine if not better than the stock ECU which is designed to run on high octain fuel.
I have found his chips not to be just about performance either. The drivability is so much better, with better spooling from an otherwise really laggy TD05 turbo.
Top Geezer as well..... P.s he does apexi and ESL as well, and used him for both of these platforms on scoobs with great results. Pays ya money takes ya choice.
But If I could turn the clocks back, I would just buy a 240wrx. Decat it, put a panel filter and bung a scott.t chip it. Its a very slippery slope after this and very much depreciating gains after this point.
If you only running a 240bhp WRX rather than the 260bhp wrx then this chip is even better bang for ya buck. As it can still use your ECU not the Z4 ECU, and take your car to around 280bhp (sti performance). Now that is value for money performance modding.!
But I would say be warned there are some cheaper copies about that I would run a mile from. Scotts maps are tried and tested. Note the standard ECU has a degree of safety within and will pull some timing if it think it needs to.
Anyone looking for 440 injectors, bigger turbos then the ESL is far better than apexi IMO and its live mapping abilities are great, and it still utlizes some of the safety features of the stock ECU. i,e again if it detects knock it will pull a few degrees. Unlike apexi which is very showy and bling, but does exactly what the map tells it to do irrespective of temp etc.
Scotts map is probably running the same safety margins as the stock car, but the main increase is likely to be from the boost increase over stock. But obviously the fueling and ignition has been adjusted to allow for the increase in boost.
So I would say his chip will and can fit all. OK the boost has increased which will naturally put a bigger strain on the turbo and engine but in terms of ignition and fueling its probably just as fine if not better than the stock ECU which is designed to run on high octain fuel.
I have found his chips not to be just about performance either. The drivability is so much better, with better spooling from an otherwise really laggy TD05 turbo.
Top Geezer as well..... P.s he does apexi and ESL as well, and used him for both of these platforms on scoobs with great results. Pays ya money takes ya choice.
But If I could turn the clocks back, I would just buy a 240wrx. Decat it, put a panel filter and bung a scott.t chip it. Its a very slippery slope after this and very much depreciating gains after this point.
21 December 2008, 08:12 PM
#40
LOL same old argument about chips. But I think the feedback is positive enough and thanks for all those that have spoken up.
I would like to add that 80% of the time (dependant on source of sale and whether contacted via email prior to purchase) I offer, or at least detail the live mapping option using the ESL Live mapping interface.
If they have the money, then they may well go for it, but 95% don't especially as the value of a 1993-1996 WRX is so low now.
I even have people wanting a chip for cars already fitted with 440's, but I have never sold them one.
I let them know that the car is very likley to be overfulling on boost, but it seems to fall on deaf ears (they must think more fuel = more power !!!!!). Most of the time I hear nothing more from them.
At this stage fuel map re-scaling and map sensor rescaling along with fitting the later 96> map sensor to run 1.2bar+ nesecitate[sp] the need for a live map (using ESL Live map interface).
It is not something you can create bespoke in the chip (well you could eventually, but it would take a hell of a lot of attempts).
Unlike some on ebay, the chip isn't my only tuning/mapping option.
I would like to add that 80% of the time (dependant on source of sale and whether contacted via email prior to purchase) I offer, or at least detail the live mapping option using the ESL Live mapping interface.
If they have the money, then they may well go for it, but 95% don't especially as the value of a 1993-1996 WRX is so low now.
I even have people wanting a chip for cars already fitted with 440's, but I have never sold them one.
I let them know that the car is very likley to be overfulling on boost, but it seems to fall on deaf ears (they must think more fuel = more power !!!!!). Most of the time I hear nothing more from them.
At this stage fuel map re-scaling and map sensor rescaling along with fitting the later 96> map sensor to run 1.2bar+ nesecitate[sp] the need for a live map (using ESL Live map interface).
It is not something you can create bespoke in the chip (well you could eventually, but it would take a hell of a lot of attempts).
Unlike some on ebay, the chip isn't my only tuning/mapping option.
21 December 2008, 10:52 PM
#41
After reading so many positive reviews (didnt actually see one bad review) about the PP chip I decided to get one as an Xmas gift (from parents) and I cant wait to get it fitted now.
I was looking at getting an apexi ecu a while back but i couldnt really justify having to get bigger injectors, ecu and commander, boost controller etc on a 96 plate uk 2000.
I think if I can get to near 300bhp i'll be satisfied and hopefully not straining the engine too much. I dont have a big budget to spend on my car so from what i have read this should hopefully be a productive purchase
Paul
I was looking at getting an apexi ecu a while back but i couldnt really justify having to get bigger injectors, ecu and commander, boost controller etc on a 96 plate uk 2000.
I think if I can get to near 300bhp i'll be satisfied and hopefully not straining the engine too much. I dont have a big budget to spend on my car so from what i have read this should hopefully be a productive purchase
Paul
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