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Old 22 December 2008, 03:30 AM
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Yeah timing is a bit suspect or just bad coincidence but one fact remains that no one seems to eager to talk about.

Forget the points about what really happened to Maddie, what didn't etc - the fact of the matter is:

Who the **** leaves their kid(s) alone so they can have some personal time - thats just selfish and shows a total disregard for their own childrens welfare.

On the flipside they may have believed they were not in any wrong (in some twisted way) and did check on the kids, and someone knew they had left their kids alone.

Either way I would never do that, not in a million years leave my kids out of sight, out of mind.
Old 22 December 2008, 11:28 AM
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They were grossly at fault to leave their children alone while they went off for their meal without engaging a babysitter. Difficult to believe that they were that irresponsible.

That aside, there is no evidence whatsoever to prove that they did away with Maddie. Unless something like that does come to light then I think it is wrong to blatantly accuse them of murder as some have done in this thread. If that was seen by them they would be entitled to take their accusers to court for libel.

If they had done it I would be the first to say they should be strung up for it. If that is not the case, or it cannot be proved, then I would not be so crass as to accuse them. Its a bit like old women's gossip over the garden fence.

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Old 22 December 2008, 11:41 AM
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There is a lot of circumstantial evidence against them though I think, but just not enough to prove it. Her interview spoke volumes to me as to their involvement.
Old 22 December 2008, 11:48 AM
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Detectives started by asking Mrs McCann about her movements immediately after she discovered that her daughter was missing at about 10pm on May 3 last year, a document in the massive police dossier that has just been released shows.

Here are a list of questions she refused to answer and the one she did.

1. At around 10pm on May 3 when you entered the apartment what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?

2. Did you search inside the bedroom wardrobe? (She replied she wouldn't answer).

3. (After being shown two photographs of her bedroom wardrobe) Can you describe its contents?

4. Why had the curtain behind the sofa in front of the side window (which was shown on a photo) been tampered with? Did someone go behind the sofa?

5. How long did your search of the apartment take after you detected Madeleine's disappearance?

6. Why did you say from the start that Madeleine has been abducted?

7. Assuming Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins alone to go to the "Tapas" and raise the alarm? The supposed abductor could have been in the apartment.

8. Why didn't you ask the twins at the time what had happened to their sister or why did you not ask later?

9. When you raised the alarm at the "Tapas" what exactly did you say?

10. What happened after you raised the alarm?

11. Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the apartment's veranda?

12. Who contacted the authorities?

13. Who took part in the searches?

14. Did anyone outside the group learn of Madeleine's disappearance in the following minutes?

15. Did any neighbour offer help after the disappearance?

16. What does "we let her down" mean?

17. Did Jane tell you that night that she had seen a man with a child?

18. How were the authorities contacted and which police force was alerted?

19. During the searches with the police already there, where did you search for Madeleine, how and in what way?

20. Why did the twins not wake up during the search or when they were taken upstairs?

21. Who did you phone after the occurence?

22. Did you phone Sky News?

23.Did you know the danger of calling the media, because it could influence the abductor?

24. Did you ask for a priest?

25. By what means did you describe Madeleine's features, by photographs or other means?

26. Is it true that during the searches you remained seated on Madeleine's bed without moving?

27. What was your behaviour that night?

28. Did you manage to sleep?

29. Before traveling to Portugal did you make any comment about a forboding or bad feeling?

30. What was Madeleine's behaviour like?

31. Did Maddeleine suffer from any illness or take any medication?

32. What was Madeleine's relationship like with her brother and sister?

33. What was Madeleine's relationship like with her brother and sister, friends and her school mates?

34. In terms of your professional life, in how many and in which hospitals have you worked?

35. What is your medical speciality?

36. Have you ever done any shift work in any emergency services or other services?

37. Did you work every day?

38. At a certain point you stopped working. Why was this?

39. Are the twins difficult to get to sleep? Are they restless? Does this cause you uneasiness?

40. Is it true that sometimes you despaired with your children's behaviour and that left you feeling very uneasy?

41. Is it true that in England you had considered handing over Madeleine's custody to a relative?

42. In England, did you medicate your children? What type of medication?

43. In the case files you were shown canine forensic testing films, where you can see them marking due to detection of the scent of human corpse and blood traces - also human - as well as all the comments of the technician in chargem of them. After watching and after the marking of the scent of corpse in your bedroom beside the wardrobe and behind the sofa, pushed up against the sofa wall, did you say you couldn't explain any more than you already had?

44. When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn't explain any more than you already had?

45. When the sniffer dog marked the corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn't explain anymore than you already had?

46. When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle did you say you couldn't explain anymore than you already had?

47. When confronted with the results of Madeleine's DNA, whose analysis was carried out in a British laboratory, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn't explain more than you already had?

48. Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter's disappearance?

A Question answered:

Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?

KM: "Yes, if that's what the investigation thinks."
Old 24 December 2008, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Timwinner
In a world according to Tim this is what happened. They work with medicine, wanted to go out for the night. They thought we will give her these pills to keep her sleeping whilst we are out.
Got back, she had copped it, so they disposed of her, could have been days before they reported it.

But thats in my world, not the real world.
They were on holiday with friends. You cant therefore 'lose' one of your kids quietly mate.

V interesting post Felix.

D
Old 24 December 2008, 01:36 PM
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You can if its all happened in the space of a few hours
Old 24 December 2008, 01:40 PM
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I think all the questions asked give a probable insight as to what happened
Old 24 December 2008, 02:55 PM
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I’m not saying that they are evil. If this is the way it happened, then they are faced with a difficult position. Do they tell the authorities that they have accidently killed their child. Hence they will probably face jail time, have their other children taken off them, lose their family altogether and also their careers – none of which will bring Maddie back. Or do they try a pass off the fact that she has been abducted and keep all of the above.

Like I say – I’m not saying they are evil, but why lose everything when you don’t need to
Old 24 December 2008, 05:44 PM
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Felix. I think you are bieng overly charitable .If they are responsible they should have owned up .Their reaction since indicates a degree of planning and the refusal to answer questions indicates guilty knowledge
The fund raising is cynical and exploitive if she hasnt been abducted
Im wondering if there is anyone who believes their version now?
The slating the Portuguese Police got at the start of the enquiry seems to ring a little hollow now?
Old 24 December 2008, 05:47 PM
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Indeed - If my theory is true, then they should have just slipped away into obscurity, but raising money and the constant media coverage is just too much
Old 24 December 2008, 05:56 PM
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I really hope I'm wrong, but I felt from the beginning that it's been incredibly well planned, from the girl disappearing, to the well organized news, the cast iron unchanging emotion.
Old 24 December 2008, 05:58 PM
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Im mostly with Felix.
Old 24 December 2008, 10:51 PM
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Living fairly local to this unfortunate couple and whilst not knowing them personally I do know a whole bunch of people who do. Those that know them hold them in high regard. They are a loving intelligent and devout couple who dote on their children.
What ever the super muppets on here think they have lost a child, whilst they admit to making bad decisions to infer that they had anything to do with Maddie's disappearance is in poor taste. Made even worse with it being the season of goodwill. Unless of course they have any evidence that would prove their guilt. No I thought not.
Old 24 December 2008, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Felix.
There is a lot of circumstantial evidence against them though I think, but just not enough to prove it. Her interview spoke volumes to me as to their involvement.
Is there? I dont think there is any evidence against them. All the portugese police rumours have all been well disproved. Unless you have information no one has?
Old 24 December 2008, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by r32
Is there? I dont think there is any evidence against them. All the portugese police rumours have all been well disproved. Unless you have information no one has?
The dog detecting death where ever the couple have been.

Why has she gone no reply to all the questions.

If you look at the questions as well, the police would know what the responses should be which is why she has gone 'no reply' presumably
Old 25 December 2008, 09:18 AM
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Even the Portuguese police have said that there is no evidence linking them with the childs disappearance. The Leicestershire Police have worked closely with both the family and the resort police, they havent found any evidence either. All the circumstantial evidence can be explained.
You havent considered that their lawyer has advised which questions have been answered and which havent?
Also at the time the portuguese police chief (since dismissed) was trying to fit them up instead of following up on the child. Its not suprising that they didnt want to risk saying the wrong thing. The handling of the case by the police was so bad it wasnt true.
The police seemed to feel it was the parents right from the first day and never bothered setting up roadblocks or looking for the child.
I hope to God that Maddie is found, the abductors can never alter her eye.

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Old 25 December 2008, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by r32
Those that know them hold them in high regard.
odd that's what they said about Harold Shipman
Old 25 December 2008, 05:11 PM
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It all doesn't explain the dog. And the questions are straightforward, that should be easy to answer if the child is simply missing. There is no reason why she should refuse to answer - the answers may lead to new evidence to find Maddy.

It is all circumstantial - but still all very odd

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Old 25 December 2008, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by r32
Even the Portuguese police have said that there is no evidence linking them with the childs disappearance.

Originally Posted by r32
The handling of the case by the police was so bad it wasnt true.
Surely comment 2, cancels out any strength in comment 1 ?

I have complete sympathy for anyone involved in the situation. However was never aware of any official recognition of wrong doing by the parents.

For weeks the only reply regarding their decision on leaving them so they could go out for dinner was that they were not that far away.
Im not saying its never been said, but I have never heard them say "its our fault, we should never have left our small children on their own in the apartment"

Im sure many people would give anything to see Maddie alive again, safe and well. But I honestly think the parents have got away with the whole matter VERY lightly.
Old 26 December 2008, 12:36 AM
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If you hold to r32s view they are "loving, intelligent and devout" and "held in high regard" by people who know them....beyond suspiscion then due to social class and their peers.
Legal advice is just that advice .You dont have to take it . A solicitor/lawyer will only advise someone to not answer or no comment for fear it will prejudice their case or add to the prosecution case.
Those questions arent difficult if you have nothing to hide or the accusations are untrue
Wheres the evidence of the police fit up ?
The posting of the video was the reason for the post .Sorry you find the replies in bad taste but what can you expect from a forum of "Super muppets"
Old 26 December 2008, 10:40 AM
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And going back the video being posted for their Xmas appeal....

WHY NOW !! Why not in the days, weeks and months following the disappearance? Is it because its something new, will cause a media frenzy, and get people interested again?
Far better used over a year ago when everyone was looking for Maddie, rather than now where 90% believe she is gone and will never be found, so wont help any further.

Bad timing once again by the parents in my opinion (for what thats worth)
Old 26 December 2008, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Snazy
And going back the video being posted for their Xmas appeal....

WHY NOW !! Why not in the days, weeks and months following the disappearance? Is it because its something new, will cause a media frenzy, and get people interested again?
Far better used over a year ago when everyone was looking for Maddie, rather than now where 90% believe she is gone and will never be found, so wont help any further.

Bad timing once again by the parents in my opinion (for what thats worth)
I think that is right mate - it has caused a media frenzy. That is undoubtedly a good thing in such cases.

The release of this additional footage would surely have had no significant additional impact in the early days, on top of what was already released. Releasing it now has significant impact as the news editors have a 'hook' (the audio content) - to justify a news update where there is no news. Tenuous maybe, but every news story (or in this case an update) needs a 'peg' or a 'hook' as they say to get valuable airplay.

I think sometimes a step back could be useful as the stones are still flying here (as I sit on the Xmas fence )

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