morpheus1870

The heaviest arial bombardment was carried out today since the start of the conflict. F16's have caused total havoc and hospitals are overun by children mainly who are having to be treated on the floors of corridors due to the inadequate capabilities of the hospitals there.

The entire international community is watching the anihilation of a people in such a despearate state, no water, electricity or ability to escape. All roads in and out are blocked, aid is being stopped from reaching the innocent people who are suffering.

Auchwitz is happening all over again and its only the French president who has condemed the masacre out right. Watching this unbelievable crime being carried out by the Israel goverment sickens me down to my stomach. Sky News is a load of bollocks and shows nothing of what is happening. They are hidding from us the public what is happening, for those who want to know exactly what is happening please watch Al Jazera on channel 514 where there are reporters in Gaza showing us the true nature of this crime against hummanity. Be warned though, the images and videos of children with severe injuries is upsetting.

Even ambulances are being targeted and there are bodies lying in the streets unable to be collected due to the arial threat. Entire families have been destroyed, an interview showed a farther crying and screaming, nelt to the floor in front of the bodies of his 3 children aged 5-8years old. No one with a family or a drop of humanity in them can condone such actions. 5 Israeli casualities for 450-500 Palestinian casualties most of which are children, how is the right?

cster

Can't be that bad - Hamas are still firing rockets.

stuart n

Can someone please tell what the middle east envoy to the united nations (Tony Blair, who's on around £2 million a year) is doing to help resolve the crisis
Would have a least expected a statement from him by now.....

Bonehead

He was on Sky earlier wittering on about this and that.
It was his usual hollow rhetoric (sp) and really little more than white noise.

morpheus1870

That makes it ok then...thanks for clearing that up pal

boomer

He is too busy planning his trip to the US to collect his US Medal of Freedom

****

mb

mrtheedge2u2

Auschwitz?......... Come on Morph, even you must realise that they are not comparable.

As with any news group whether it be Al-Jazeera, BBC, CNN or whoever, they will always be biased...... eg.. on BBC the journalist showed a couple of kids but not once mentioned how many Hamas militia were killed.

Anyway, the first casualty of war is the truth.

hodgy0_2

my original post on this subject asked a simple question

how many people have the Hamas rockets killed -- well according to the sunday papers it is 20 over 8 years

so with the "official" stated ratio of 50 Palastinians to 1 Israeli we should see a cease fire after approximatly 1000 Palastinian deaths

as I stated in my first post -- and has been noted in subsequent posts, the Isrealies seem to use **** style tactics -- ironic really that they of all people are commiting crimes against humanity

mrtheedge2u2

Using that argument...... how many US or UK civilians did Iraqi's kill before the invasion? How many civilians did we kill in Iraq?

cster

No problems - I am glad you can see it the Hamas way.
The more their people suffer, the more political capital they gain.
Very clever don't you think?
As the scorpion said to the frog - It's the middle east.

hodgy0_2

how many US or UK civilians did Iraqi's kill before the invasion? --none, thats why I did not support the war and believe it has been a disaster (in the context that the argument for it was constructed)

How many civilians did we kill in Iraq? loads, thats why I did not support the war and believe it has been a disaster

mrtheedge2u2

And here is the problem..... Iraqi's did not go out to target UK/US citizens etc..... Hamas are going out with the intention to kill Israeli citizens (for wrong or for right), it does not matter if they succeed or not.

RyanSTI

iTrader: (1)

this is the same as most wars these days, we are told what we want to hear. hamas have always been fireing rockets, and israel has always been attacking hamas, just now its broardcasted 24/7 its a massive event.

that place is always going to be a **** hole because they cant get along, its funny how iran and syria who are backers of hamas have stayed quiet.


not alot of people know this but ever since the first gulf war at least 1 iraq'y was killed every day, by air strikes etc, it never ended, so when we went in again to sort stuff out it really wasnt such a big thing, as the war before had never ended, just not reported.


anyway the palestinines elected hamas did they not? so if hamas chose to attack israel with rockets and are now suffering a retaliation surley they have no one else to blame but themselves. ? and where not talking like 1 rocket was fired, theres 1000's of the things.

morpheus1870

Rubbish, you think that Hamas is only attacking due to political gain and has nothing to do with the fact they have been oppressed for years, have seen there families and loved ones killed all around them, children who are murdered by Israeli snippers whilst sitting in schools. You are basically saying its ok to kill hundreds and hundreds of civilians and the systematic masacre of a people because one rebel group.

I don't agree with what Hamas is doing and i certainly do not condon the murder of any innocent people. from either side, but I understand why they are doing what they are doing and naturally that Israel has a right to defend it's people. HOWEVER it's how it is doing that which is the problem, its dissproportionate in every way.

For example today 2 schools were targeted by Israeli tanks. These two schools were set up by the UN as safe houses for refugees and innocent civilians who have no where to live due to the airal bombardment. The location of these safe houses were co-ordinated to the Israeli forces by the UN so they would not be touched. But what happend they were destroyed by tank shells killing lots of INNOCENT people again mainly children who were seeking safety from the violence.
So tell me is this ok? How can you excuse this type of action?

The link is fascism, and in that respect I'm correct to draw a comparison. The scale is totally different but the intent displays an alarming march towards a fascist and apartheid State.

The UN has condemned Israel's recent actions, the EU has condemned Israel's recent actions. Now it's up to America to make a stand for human rights instead of standing on them.

rabbos

This conflict will never end until one side or the other is totally exterminated.

It's unlikely that will be the Israelis!

Israel is like a man holding a midget at arms length and kicking him hard in the b0lloks whilst the midget flails about harmlessly in front of him. Bunch of (unts

mrtheedge2u2

bugeyeandy

Other than post drivel on a car internet forum what else are you doing about this as it seems to be something that you feel very strongly about?

bugeyeandy

oh and before you ask , I'm doing nothing as this conflict does not involve me or my family directly. Might sound cold but the same goes for wars anywhere else in the world.

morpheus1870

Agree, very unlikely. If people actually had the knowledge or education enough to understand that Israel encouraged the creation of Hamas as part of plan to use religious extremism to defeat the secular PLO. The tactics obviously backfired.

Andy Martin, American expert in Middle East Affairs:

In World War II, ***** encircled the Warsaw Ghetto. Imprisoned Jews fought for their freedom. That episode is enshrined in history, and justifiably so. Today Gazans are encircled, and they are fighting for their freedom. In due course the Gaza Ghetto will take on the same historic and iconic role as the Warsaw Ghetto. Once Jews were the victims; today Israelis are the perpetrators. The have come full circle in duplicating the horrors of the Third Reich in their own reincarnated Fourth Reich.

Why is it that Israel's Fourth Reich is addicted to war, violence, murder and oppression? For the same reasons as the Third rich in Germany. Israel is a failed state, a failed experiment in which western powers imposed a 'state' on the helpless people of the Middle East. The experiment is an embarrassing failure. Sixty years later, Israelis refuse to live in peace with their neighbors; they don't think they have to. Israel's Fourth Reich has become the modern embodiment and reincarnation of the Third Reich. And George Bush has blindly gone along for the ride.

Will achieving peace be easy? No. Israel is a well-armed criminal gang, some have called it an army in search of a state. This outlaw state will not yield power easily.

I hate seeing the waste of any Israeli or Arab life, on an equal basis. Its sad and a tragedy that the loss of young men and women, the elderly and children whose lives are cut short by the dreams of greedy politicians. But if lives must be sacrificed, let them be sacrificed for a just and equal peace, not for endless Israeli warmongering and conquest.

Factually Correct, Not Politically Correct.

Peace

morpheus1870

The only thing that seems obvious to me is that you feel very strongly about the opinion I have on the subject, do you have a problem with what I am saying?

Yes this is a car internet forum but this is the NON SCOOBY RELATED section, in other words its an area in the forum where people can have discussions about various things not related to Subaru or cars in general. Whether we are talking about knife crime, yobs with dogs, people who enjoy stealing our cars or anything else which may or may not have or ever will effect us or our families directly, we all have strong opinions and the right to air these opinions and engage in discussion with people who both agree and disagree.

Its called a debate.

If you have a problem with it then I suggest you read/respond to another post.

morpheus1870

Oh and before you ask I have shown my support to the situation in question through protest, discussion, debate and regular donations to Christian Aid and the Red Cross, both of which are doing the best they can to help send aid to an area 20miles long and 5miles wide inhabited by 1.5million people, as difficult as it is I commend their effort.

bugeyeandy

Not sure why your last post was so aggresive, no need for it. I just asked what, other than posting drivel on a car forum, were you doing.
You second post answered that question. Sheesh

hodgy0_2

morpheus -- the irony of it all is not lost on me

and in fact an ealier poster tried to belittle the shooting of innocent peace activist (Tom Hurndall) by bringing up the fact that the IDF sniper was in fact an Arab -- which was/ is true

however the irony here is that although the holocaust was indeed architected by the *****/Germans the perpertrators of the atrocities against the Jews were more often than not, not Germans/*****, but ethnic Croats, Hungarians, Poles and Russians, does any sane person use this to belittle the holocaust

it seems that Israel have even got its own form of "Holocaust Deniers"

morpheus1870

I'm not being aggressive pal its not in my nature didn't you see the at the end of my post rather than a or a ?

bugeyeandy

Cool Peace is restored

morpheus1870

Now if only peace could be restored that easily over in the middle east, the world would be a much happier place

Luan Pra bang

Slightly off topic but a friend of mine started a charity in gaza to start a school to teach palestinian children music, he saw it as way to let children express themselves rather than let their emotions twist themselves ito bitterness and hatred. He was in an internet cafe one day when the IDF burst in pointed rifles at him and said
'what are you doing here ?'
he replied
'What the **** are you doing here is a more important question'

morpheus1870

LEGEND!

Martin2005

No but they are comparable with the Warsaw Ghettos.

Why cannot people understand that Hamas are purley and simply a reaction to Israeli policy, they would have no support, they would not even exist if they were no constantly fed by Israeli injustices towards the Palestinian people

morpheus1870

Because most people don't know anything about the history of the conflict, how it all began and why. Its sad but true...we have learn't nothing from history and from past conflicts other than how to develop more sofisticated and deadly weapons of mass destruction and kill those weaker than ourselves. It makes you wonder how much evil and hatred there is the human race where the value of life has diminished.