Israel : Step too far?
11 January 2009, 11:44 AM
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Les I think you are spectacularly missing the point. Hamas would accept that proposal, but there is no way Israel would ever offer it as a solution. The only diplomatic solutions that are offered always seem very reasonable providing you are an Isaraeli or a Western government who blindly support the Israelis for reasons unfathomable to me.
11 January 2009, 02:40 PM
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11 January 2009, 04:49 PM
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that Mark Regev bloke is a total ****
i've listened to his crap for years and its about time someone stood up to his bullsh1t -- well done Alex Thomson
if you listen -- it sums up Israeli policy in a nutshell -- i.e. say one thing then do the complete opposite
i've listened to his crap for years and its about time someone stood up to his bullsh1t -- well done Alex Thomson
if you listen -- it sums up Israeli policy in a nutshell -- i.e. say one thing then do the complete opposite
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11 January 2009, 06:24 PM
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A pro-Israel demo in London against the Gaza conflict sounded positive until I read it
Who are they trying to kid? 13 versus 850 and the latter figure could well be much higher. Frankly they'd be best off keeping their stupid bigoted mouths well and truly shut as that sort of crap isn't helping.
Full story here:
BBC NEWS | UK | Thousands call for Mid-East peace
About 850 Gazans and 13 Israelis have reportedly died in 16 days of fighting.
They said the number of Israeli deaths should not be considered disproportionate to the number of Palestinian deaths, because Israelis were lucky and escaped their houses before they were hit by Palestinian rockets.
They said the number of Israeli deaths should not be considered disproportionate to the number of Palestinian deaths, because Israelis were lucky and escaped their houses before they were hit by Palestinian rockets.
Full story here:
BBC NEWS | UK | Thousands call for Mid-East peace
12 January 2009, 01:01 PM
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A pro-Israel demo in London against the Gaza conflict sounded positive until I read it
Who are they trying to kid? 13 versus 850 and the latter figure could well be much higher. Frankly they'd be best off keeping their stupid bigoted mouths well and truly shut as that sort of crap isn't helping.
Full story here:
BBC NEWS | UK | Thousands call for Mid-East peace
Who are they trying to kid? 13 versus 850 and the latter figure could well be much higher. Frankly they'd be best off keeping their stupid bigoted mouths well and truly shut as that sort of crap isn't helping.
Full story here:
BBC NEWS | UK | Thousands call for Mid-East peace
Problem is by blowing up a UN building, a University, schools and targeting a hospital shows only one thing - collective and systematic destruction of the infrastructure in place to support Palestinian life.
And thats what it boils down to, apparently 850 Palestinian lives are not enough for one Israeli life.
12 January 2009, 01:41 PM
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Why not make comparisons when they are there to made? Does it upset you to hear that the once victims of genocide are now doing the same thing to others? Gaza has been turned into a concentration camp. No escape, no food, no water, no aid, the systematic slaughter of innocent civilians, need I go on? Its not a made up story or fabricated in anyway just read the reports coming through from the Red Crescent Society (red cross equivalent) and you will see that the death toll is nearly at 800 with approx 300 being children, so when comparisons are made they are anything but infantile!
Even the UN aren’t safe.
My feet are firmly on the ground pal as everything I have posted in this thread is based on facts. Maybe you should try researching around the topic a little; you might understand then where I'm coming from.
Even the UN aren’t safe.
My feet are firmly on the ground pal as everything I have posted in this thread is based on facts. Maybe you should try researching around the topic a little; you might understand then where I'm coming from.
Surely half the border to this 'concentration camp' is with Egypt. Is Egypt operating the 4th reich?
12 January 2009, 04:05 PM
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When you listen to the justifications that the Israeli’s trot out for the killing of women and children, it always comes down to one thing
They always blame the Palestinians for the fact that they are being slaughtered
It was a trick also used by the ****’s – who managed to get the tacit support of the German population for the concentration camp etc by propagating the myth/lie that the Jews were somehow to blame for their plight
They always blame the Palestinians for the fact that they are being slaughtered
It was a trick also used by the ****’s – who managed to get the tacit support of the German population for the concentration camp etc by propagating the myth/lie that the Jews were somehow to blame for their plight
12 January 2009, 04:13 PM
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When you listen to the justifications that the Israeli’s trot out for the killing of women and children, it always comes down to one thing
They always blame the Palestinians for the fact that they are being slaughtered
It was a trick also used by the ****’s – who managed to get the tacit support of the German population for the concentration camp etc by propagating the myth/lie that the Jews were somehow to blame for their plight
They always blame the Palestinians for the fact that they are being slaughtered
It was a trick also used by the ****’s – who managed to get the tacit support of the German population for the concentration camp etc by propagating the myth/lie that the Jews were somehow to blame for their plight
Should have used the "weapons of mass destruction" line
12 January 2009, 05:08 PM
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I actually think the media should stop interviewing any one from the Israeli side until they allow the media in.
They did the same thing when they levelled the refugee camp in Jenin, no media to report the attrocities.
As for Regev, total *****, end of really.
13 January 2009, 03:16 PM
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its funny israel wont let any media in, what have they got to hide?
them and america would never get down for war crimes. but its funny they try and prosecute turkey.
them and america would never get down for war crimes. but its funny they try and prosecute turkey.
13 January 2009, 06:37 PM
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"Israeli military actions prompted an unusual rebuke from the International Red Cross after the army moved a Palestinian family into a building and shelled it, killing 30. The surviving children clung to their dead mothers for four days while the army blocked rescuers from reaching the wounded"
its a shame the murderous antics of the Israeli’s can't be confined to the keyboard aswell
14 January 2009, 07:01 AM
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Interesting piece hear comparing how we in the UK handled Northern Ireland and the IRA etc. with how Israel is handling Gaza/Hamas etc.
BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Bowen diary: A just war?
Maybe Jeremy reads Scoobynet eh?
BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Bowen diary: A just war?
Maybe Jeremy reads Scoobynet eh?
14 January 2009, 07:44 AM
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Maybe the should give it the "Dresden" treatment.
Wouldn't have to bother looking out for targets of any military value then.
Yep - you gotta hand it to the UK - got a lot to teach the world.
Wouldn't have to bother looking out for targets of any military value then.
Yep - you gotta hand it to the UK - got a lot to teach the world.
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15 January 2009, 10:19 AM
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Palestinian deaths in the Gaza Strip reach 1,028. Nearly a third of the dead are said to be children.
And so it goes on and now even the media seem to have lost interest.
And so it goes on and now even the media seem to have lost interest.
15 January 2009, 09:36 PM
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Well the BBC website makes it hard to find things such as...
shelling a UN building, destroying food and medicine
or
Using illegal phosphorus bombs
...it is there, somewhere, but takes some finding. Still, as israel has banned reporters from entering someone else's land, the truth gets hard to find!
I now make a point of NEVER buying anything from israel - maybe if everyone else did so they would start to learn about the concept of "getting on with people" rather than just blowing them up and killing them
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shelling a UN building, destroying food and medicine
or
Using illegal phosphorus bombs
...it is there, somewhere, but takes some finding. Still, as israel has banned reporters from entering someone else's land, the truth gets hard to find!
I now make a point of NEVER buying anything from israel - maybe if everyone else did so they would start to learn about the concept of "getting on with people" rather than just blowing them up and killing them
mb
16 January 2009, 12:17 AM
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Well the BBC website makes it hard to find things such as...
shelling a UN building, destroying food and medicine
or
Using illegal phosphorus bombs
...it is there, somewhere, but takes some finding. Still, as israel has banned reporters from entering someone else's land, the truth gets hard to find!
I now make a point of NEVER buying anything from israel - maybe if everyone else did so they would start to learn about the concept of "getting on with people" rather than just blowing them up and killing them
mb
shelling a UN building, destroying food and medicine
or
Using illegal phosphorus bombs
...it is there, somewhere, but takes some finding. Still, as israel has banned reporters from entering someone else's land, the truth gets hard to find!
I now make a point of NEVER buying anything from israel - maybe if everyone else did so they would start to learn about the concept of "getting on with people" rather than just blowing them up and killing them
mb
I'm not quite sure what would be the advantage to the Israeli military of allowing reporters into this area of operations? Perhaps you could explain.
BTW, does anyone know if Hamas have requested a ceasefire yet?
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16 January 2009, 08:51 AM
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And why would Hamas request the cease fire? Israel is the attacker and should pull back before any cease fire can be negotiated.
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16 January 2009, 09:12 AM
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That's precisely the point, it isn't to their advantage as it would allow the World to witness on camera the attrocities they are committing in Gaza. The more I see Israel attacking Gaza the more support I have for the Palestinians (not Hamas) and the more hatred I have for Israel.
And why would Hamas request the cease fire? Israel is the attacker and should pull back before any cease fire can be negotiated.
And why would Hamas request the cease fire? Israel is the attacker and should pull back before any cease fire can be negotiated.
I am unaware of anybody in history "pulling back" and then negotiating a ceasefire. Maybe you know better.
As for your comments on allowing the media in. Well I don't have first hand military experience, but I can't see how that would help in achieving the IDF's military objective/s (whatever they may be). I certainly can't imagine one of them being the supply of your tele-visual entertainment.
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16 January 2009, 09:59 AM
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As for your comments on allowing the media in. Well I don't have first hand military experience, but I can't see how that would help in achieving the IDF's military objective/s (whatever they may be). I certainly can't imagine one of them being the supply of your tele-visual entertainment.
At the moment they can basically do what they like and when news does leak out that they have shelled a school or a hospital they just trot out the tired old line about it being a Hamas stronghold - yeah right! Was that Red Cross convoy a Hamas stronghold too then?
16 January 2009, 09:59 AM
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I can't see any reason why Hamas would request a cease fire in Gaza - AFAIK their leader lives in Damsacus.
I am unaware of anybody in history "pulling back" and then negotiating a ceasefire. Maybe you know better.
As for your comments on allowing the media in. Well I don't have first hand military experience, but I can't see how that would help in achieving the IDF's military objective/s (whatever they may be). I certainly can't imagine one of them being the supply of your tele-visual entertainment.
I am unaware of anybody in history "pulling back" and then negotiating a ceasefire. Maybe you know better.
As for your comments on allowing the media in. Well I don't have first hand military experience, but I can't see how that would help in achieving the IDF's military objective/s (whatever they may be). I certainly can't imagine one of them being the supply of your tele-visual entertainment.
Israel does not want the media on the ground so it can spin its line and then Regev can come out with "hamas sources try to put a spin etc" and "your sources cant be verified etc etc"
Given that the IDF routinely use civilians as human shields, use illegal weapons and engage in collective punishment the last thing they want is CNN broadcasting that back to the US 24 hours a day!
16 January 2009, 04:18 PM
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Oh come on! As B2Z says it wouldn't help their objectives as it would allow the World to witness the attrocities they are committing and maybe attempt to put a stop to it although the way the West behaves towards Israel that is probably unlikely.
At the moment they can basically do what they like and when news does leak out that they have shelled a school or a hospital they just trot out the tired old line about it being a Hamas stronghold - yeah right! Was that Red Cross convoy a Hamas stronghold too then?
At the moment they can basically do what they like and when news does leak out that they have shelled a school or a hospital they just trot out the tired old line about it being a Hamas stronghold - yeah right! Was that Red Cross convoy a Hamas stronghold too then?
Not sure what the etiquette is on that one.
It is just my opinion, but I don't think the Israelis are too bothered about what the "world" thinks, do you?
As for the points in your second paragraph - all I can say is how would I know?
We're not all as clued up as you are mate
16 January 2009, 04:29 PM
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I'm not on anyone's side in particular on this one, except for the innocents in the middle of it all, as the whole middle east sage is one which will go on forever. As far as I'm concerned the whole lot (military) should be stuck in a big hole in the ground (all sides) and buried.
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16 January 2009, 04:42 PM
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My question was obviously rhetorical As for Israel not being bothered about world opinion, you got that right, but don't forget they know that when push comes to shove America will back them no matter what.
16 January 2009, 04:59 PM
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You don't have to be clued up to know that a Red Cross convoy is not a Hamas stronghold and that the Isarealis should not have fired on it do you? My question was obviously rhetorical
As for Israel not being bothered about world opinion, you got that right, but don't forget they know that when push comes to shove America will back them no matter what.
My question was obviously rhetorical As for Israel not being bothered about world opinion, you got that right, but don't forget they know that when push comes to shove America will back them no matter what.
"Animals acting intelligent"
I was reading about the UN buildings (yes a few of em) being shelled and it turns out the UN gave gps co-ordinates to Israel prior to the shellings thinking they would be spared - imo I think Israel shelled them as a way of saying "F YOU" to the UN.
16 January 2009, 05:14 PM
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This ain't the Oxford debating society AFAIK.
16 January 2009, 06:06 PM
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Oh go on then, enlighten me as to where I am going wrong. Did Israel fire on the Red Cross or did they not? The Red Cross say they did, Israel themselves despite being asked have not denied it so what fact is it I am not sticking to?
16 January 2009, 07:52 PM
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the israeli's also blew a UN observation post to bits in the war in South Lebenon in 2006
they got a direct hit because unfortunatly the UN gave them the coordinates for that one aswell
they got a direct hit because unfortunatly the UN gave them the coordinates for that one aswell