cster

In using rhetorical comment you are not being factual.
TBH, I don't even know what you are talking about - I haven't been following the news on TV or papers because all you get is someone elses POV.
The objectivity of "real time" reporting of war is questionable to say the least - as many on here, have IMO correctly observed.
I've read a couple of articles in the Economist, which seem reasonably balanced and that's about it.
As you can see, I have read a few of the posts on this thread and have questioned some of the points made as they don't seem to make sense.
I have not expressed an opinion for one side or the other because I don't feel I have enough information to hand.
If others think they do have enough information to hand, that is their business.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

End of argument then. The reason the question was rhetorical is because it is fact. Or are the Red Cross liars? Simply not knowing what I am talking about because you have chosen to ignore what reporting is coming out of Gaza isn't exactly the best argument against it having happened is it now?

hodgy0_2

i think its case closed -- only religous extremists and lunatics are prepared to defend the genocide\ethnic cleansing thats taking place in Gaza

finalzero

I've been following this thread on and off and to be honest, this thread (touch wood) has so far stay on course and the debates have been on the subject... which is a change for this forum hehe.

But serioiusly, what blew up in the face of Israel was the way they conducted the whole affair, barring reporters, harrassing aid workers, not allowing basic food and medicine to enter the area and the obvious disproportionate use of military force.

I'll say it again, you have an advanced (US equippied) military force on the Israeli side fighting what are no more than civilians.

These civilians become freedom fighers, resistance fighters and eventually fanatical groups because they have no other course of action.

The problem for the Palestinians are groups like Hamas who rather than using some tact and strategy with their actions to benefit their people, they are simply following their own revenge fueled ideoligies.

But these people are a product of the aggression and persicution that has gone on for a lifetime on the Palestinian people, these guys didn't become freedom fighers and eventually fanatical terrorists overnight - remember they were resisting an invading and imposing force.. had Israel not been so hell bent on acting out their political zionist ideas I am sure many of these past and present resistance and terrorist groups would not have existed.

But Israel has gone too far to the point where they are losing sympathy and support around the world, as the UN puppet said, the attack on the UN building was indefensible.

All we can do is let the dust settle and see what comes out of all this mess.

cster

This is not fact.
It is opinion and supposition based on what you have seen from someone elses POV (unless you were there).
You do not know the reasons or precise circumstances for the events you allude to taking place.
You appear to think you do and that others would somehow benefit from your instruction. Fair enough.
Your syntax is not great either - combining this with rhetorical style may not be the best way to argue your point.
KISS

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Oh dear. Interestingly enough that is exactly the sort of argument deniers of the holocaust use.

OK you want simple syntax. So I ask you do you think the Red Cross are liars?

Maz

iTrader: (34)

It goes from the sublime to the ridiculous!
Would you attribute a similar analogy to the Holocaust?

hodgy0_2

the israeli apologists are the new incarnation of the holocaust deniers

hodgy0_2

also watch out for the totaly vindictive strike against civilians just before any ceasefire comes into force

a nasty little tactic the Israeli's perfomed in South Lebenon in 2006

cster

That's better.
I don't know what they said - but I would have no reason to think they would lie - so my answer to your question would be no.
I am not sure why you have started to go on about Holocaust deniers unless it it to demonstrate that their language skills and ability to reason are the same (woefully inadequate) as yours.
I am afraid that this dialogue is turning into a thread hijack - which I think borders on bad manners.
I know you like to get the last word in, so I will desist from further response to your posts and let you get on with it.

Mus

iTrader: (2)

my god i dont belive this is still going on, you got the palestinians and jews complaining against the zionist. its usually the opressed that is right. problem solved get the zionist jews out of palestine!!!! let the heslink jews and palenstinians live in peace

Luan Pra bang

UN school attacked killing two children one 5 one 7, UN compund attacked twice with illegal phosphorus rounds clearly an attempt to burn and destroy the fos aid delicered from there.

Luan Pra bang

The bbc coverage is terrible compared to other news sources. There was an incident where a hebrew speaking doctors house was attacked while he was live on air reporting for an Israeli TV channel. As the only journalistic first hand account from the warzone it was clearly the only source showing the Israeli public what was actually happening. No surprise then that this guys house was bombed and three of his children killed. Strange that this story along with many others did not make bbc news. Also interesting to note that virtually all cease fires that have been broken have been broken by Israel but that never makes bbc news either.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Bye then LOL My language skills woefully inadequate??? Next you'll be telling me Israel haven't committed any atrocities in Gaza... oh hang on

finalzero

There is no defense for Israel in this matter, period.

A person or a political nations reputation is based on past and present intentions and actions...

So by this measure if we look at Israel's track record you can see that by all accounts they have boasted they have an incesent racist and dehumanising outlook to anyone else outside of Israel, they have aggressive tendancies towards their neighbours and they have no intention of listening to the wider community.

This is not a statement based on my personal beliefs or assumptions, these are facts based on past and present evidence.

So here is one for you, this pretty much sums up what I have just said above:

YouTube - Israeli Spokesman "Hamas killed Palestinian children to make us look bad"

boomer

So with great pomp and ceremony Israel declares ceasefire in Gaza, then Hamas pop off a few missiles so Israel send in some air strikes.

That's a strange definition of "unilateral" from Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, but neatly sums up the propaganda and lies that are continually spouted by that nasty bunch of bullies.

mb

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Stop digging pal!

cster

Not sure if you mean digging at someone or digging a hole?
Assuming the former - probably should have left the "woeful" out.
All I can say is a bit of niggle had crept into the exchange and my fingers were "on a roll".