Israel : Step too far?
29 December 2008, 01:17 PM
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no ..your wrong !! I dont see why people need to use terms that are deemed racist . trying calling a Arab a "RH" in front of a Police officer and see what happens. I have had the luck to live in many countries and know what is going on. I am white (just in case you think i am not etc) and have served in HM Forces so "wars " are a little more interesting to me than some people.
Ive seen racism and experienced it (thailand is one of the worst) In dubai etc i was horrified at what goes on. Singapore/HK also
yes we have issues in the Uk with immigrants and social scroungers etc. But i sometimes feel i am reading "coded" racist remarks on scoobynet. something i do make a point of addressing. sometimes in the wrong way. And sometimes when we get mods like "puff" who nail it quickly and been Polite and i edited my post to try and stop any replies to what i said about the racist comment. because we had been asked nicely by a Mod who has earned his place
And you use the term "paki" that in 2008 is obvious to most as been a racist comment . Do you think all scoobynet members are white and go to church on sundays?
stick to what took place..... a racist comment was made and i reported it and made my comment.
the rest is all in your head.
Ive seen racism and experienced it (thailand is one of the worst) In dubai etc i was horrified at what goes on. Singapore/HK also
yes we have issues in the Uk with immigrants and social scroungers etc. But i sometimes feel i am reading "coded" racist remarks on scoobynet. something i do make a point of addressing. sometimes in the wrong way. And sometimes when we get mods like "puff" who nail it quickly and been Polite and i edited my post to try and stop any replies to what i said about the racist comment. because we had been asked nicely by a Mod who has earned his place
And you use the term "paki" that in 2008 is obvious to most as been a racist comment . Do you think all scoobynet members are white and go to church on sundays?
stick to what took place..... a racist comment was made and i reported it and made my comment.
the rest is all in your head.
Intersted to know why the word Paki is racist
Swedes come from Sweden is Swede racist
Aussies come from Australia is Aussie racist
Swiss come from Switzerland is Swiss racist
Surely Pakis come from Pakistan
29 December 2008, 01:19 PM
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because its has been deemed a racist slur for a long time. It was mainly used with a racist attitude.
And i am only following what we have been asked to comply with.
29 December 2008, 01:22 PM
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then really and trully i wouldnt take anything you say seriously thats been narrow minded and ignorant even if you spoke arabic you wouldnt watch it, so you wouldnt want to know the truth
29 December 2008, 01:24 PM
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29 December 2008, 01:25 PM
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do not take it to heart...... I do not watch the news in general as it is all doom and gloom.....
29 December 2008, 01:26 PM
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29 December 2008, 01:28 PM
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29 December 2008, 01:39 PM
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One thing I don't understand is why any UK Citizen would support the Israeli army at all. Are your memory's really that short?..
How patriotic are we truely if we don't stand up against murderers like the Israeli army?
Have we all forgotten the British Innocent PEACEKEEPER that was MURDERED in cold blood by an Israeli Soldier??
What do you guys say, this guy, who was one of us and went over there to help the needy, was killed for good reason?!?
Mr Hurndall was shot as he shepherded children to safety from gunfire in Rafah refugee camp in April 2003. He was shot in the head in COLD BLOOD!
There have also been other peacekeepers murdered for protecting children!
If anyone is acting as a terrorist group it is the Israeli's. Killing innocents is one thing, but Peacekeepers?!?
That is disgusting.
If anyone is a true patriotic Brit, they would not support the Israeli's. They have done nothing for this Country, and never will, they have murdered countless of innocents and British citizens.
How patriotic are we truely if we don't stand up against murderers like the Israeli army?
Have we all forgotten the British Innocent PEACEKEEPER that was MURDERED in cold blood by an Israeli Soldier??
What do you guys say, this guy, who was one of us and went over there to help the needy, was killed for good reason?!?
Mr Hurndall was shot as he shepherded children to safety from gunfire in Rafah refugee camp in April 2003. He was shot in the head in COLD BLOOD!
There have also been other peacekeepers murdered for protecting children!
If anyone is acting as a terrorist group it is the Israeli's. Killing innocents is one thing, but Peacekeepers?!?
That is disgusting.
If anyone is a true patriotic Brit, they would not support the Israeli's. They have done nothing for this Country, and never will, they have murdered countless of innocents and British citizens.
29 December 2008, 01:42 PM
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One thing I don't understand is why any UK Citizen would support the Israeli army at all. Are your memory's really that short?..
How patriotic are we truely if we don't stand up against murderers like the Israeli army?
Have we all forgotten the British Innocent PEACEKEEPER that was MURDERED in cold blood by an Israeli Soldier??
What do you guys say, this guy, who was one of us and went over there to help the needy, was killed for good reason?!?
Mr Hurndall was shot as he shepherded children to safety from gunfire in Rafah refugee camp in April 2003. He was shot in the head in COLD BLOOD!
There have also been other peacekeepers murdered for protecting children!
If anyone is acting as a terrorist group it is the Israeli's. Killing innocents is one thing, but Peacekeepers?!?
That is disgusting.
If anyone is a true patriotic Brit, they would not support the Israeli's. They have done nothing for this Country, and never will, they have murdered countless of innocents and British citizens.
How patriotic are we truely if we don't stand up against murderers like the Israeli army?
Have we all forgotten the British Innocent PEACEKEEPER that was MURDERED in cold blood by an Israeli Soldier??
What do you guys say, this guy, who was one of us and went over there to help the needy, was killed for good reason?!?
Mr Hurndall was shot as he shepherded children to safety from gunfire in Rafah refugee camp in April 2003. He was shot in the head in COLD BLOOD!
There have also been other peacekeepers murdered for protecting children!
If anyone is acting as a terrorist group it is the Israeli's. Killing innocents is one thing, but Peacekeepers?!?
That is disgusting.
If anyone is a true patriotic Brit, they would not support the Israeli's. They have done nothing for this Country, and never will, they have murdered countless of innocents and British citizens.
29 December 2008, 01:45 PM
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As I said - I don't condone any sort of terrorist activity (Due to my profession I'm a strong believer of visiting all of these types of people in the dark of night and putting a couple of 9mm rounds in their skull), however, I do find it hard to not have sympathy with Palestinians and what they've endured as a people since WW2. Especially when much of it has been conducted against them by people who should perhaps know better than most about how it feels to have your very existence threatened. Solving these issues always requires more than just military might (I'm afraid!), its just frustrating that I can see that.....
And I will say that Al Jazeera is actually a pretty damn good news channel if you're interested in events outside of Europe and North America. Please don't listen to too much of the BS thats said about it showing videos of people getting their heads cut off; they've never done that.
If you want to know how strongly they believe in independent reporting; during the spat between Fatah and Hamas the other year, they were thrown out of both the West Bank and Gaza strip by both sides, because they wouldn't report what they were told to report. You didn't see that happening to the BBC or CNN did you?
And I will say that Al Jazeera is actually a pretty damn good news channel if you're interested in events outside of Europe and North America. Please don't listen to too much of the BS thats said about it showing videos of people getting their heads cut off; they've never done that.
If you want to know how strongly they believe in independent reporting; during the spat between Fatah and Hamas the other year, they were thrown out of both the West Bank and Gaza strip by both sides, because they wouldn't report what they were told to report. You didn't see that happening to the BBC or CNN did you?
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29 December 2008, 01:56 PM
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IMO, the Palestinians need to let it go and move on.
If every 2 countries that had ever had disputes carried on like this, every country in the world would be at war.
Can you imagine if Scotland had elected a terrorist group as their government and launched 8,000 rockets at England? What would our response be?
If every 2 countries that had ever had disputes carried on like this, every country in the world would be at war.
Can you imagine if Scotland had elected a terrorist group as their government and launched 8,000 rockets at England? What would our response be?
"Don't do that again".
"Please don't do that again."
"Now we mean it, please don't do that again."
"Now this time we really do mean it, please don't do that again." etc etc.
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29 December 2008, 02:02 PM
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They'd use English Courts (or the ECHR) and English Law against us to prove that us trying to stop them would be infringing on their Human Rights - Just like PIRA did and like the traitors who have recently gone through the courts...
29 December 2008, 02:13 PM
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I think it's pretty disgusting to kill innocents - be they Peacekeepers, palestinians, Israelis, Brazillian electricians, Americans.
You seem to just worry about arab sympathisers or arabs getting caught up in the cross fire.
.The killing will stop (maybe) if the Palestinian leadership stop calling for the wiping out of Israel. Until then a whole lot more arab innocents will die than Israeli ones.
29 December 2008, 02:19 PM
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As I said - I don't condone any sort of terrorist activity (Due to my profession I'm a strong believer of visiting all of these types of people in the dark of night and putting a couple of 9mm rounds in their skull), however, I do find it hard to not have sympathy with Palestinians and what they've endured as a people since WW2. Especially when much of it has been conducted against them by people who should perhaps know better than most about how it feels to have your very existence threatened. Solving these issues always requires more than just military might (I'm afraid!), its just frustrating that I can see that.....
And I will say that Al Jazeera is actually a pretty damn good news channel if you're interested in events outside of Europe and North America. Please don't listen to too much of the BS thats said about it showing videos of people getting their heads cut off; they've never done that.
If you want to know how strongly they believe in independent reporting; during the spat between Fatah and Hamas the other year, they were thrown out of both the West Bank and Gaza strip by both sides, because they wouldn't report what they were told to report. You didn't see that happening to the BBC or CNN did you?
And I will say that Al Jazeera is actually a pretty damn good news channel if you're interested in events outside of Europe and North America. Please don't listen to too much of the BS thats said about it showing videos of people getting their heads cut off; they've never done that.
If you want to know how strongly they believe in independent reporting; during the spat between Fatah and Hamas the other year, they were thrown out of both the West Bank and Gaza strip by both sides, because they wouldn't report what they were told to report. You didn't see that happening to the BBC or CNN did you?
29 December 2008, 02:28 PM
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mrtheedge2u2 we as muslims dont support terrorist attacks its down to the individual but it al comes down to what would you and 100 of your mates had all your homes and families blown to meatballs if you came back home and your kids have been blown away or your parent or brothers have ben blown to pices. im sure you would form a group and go and try and get your own back.
no one will wake up out of bed and decide to strap a bomb on themselfs and go commit suicide, hamas are fighting for a reason.
thanks for the jazeera puff
no one will wake up out of bed and decide to strap a bomb on themselfs and go commit suicide, hamas are fighting for a reason.
thanks for the jazeera puff
29 December 2008, 02:35 PM
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mrtheedge2u2 we as muslims dont support terrorist attacks its down to the individual but it al comes down to what would you and 100 of your mates had all your homes and families blown to meatballs if you came back home and your kids have been blown away or your parent or brothers have ben blown to pices. im sure you would form a group and go and try and get your own back.
no one will wake up out of bed and decide to strap a bomb on themselfs and go commit suicide, hamas are fighting for a reason.
thanks for the jazeera puff
no one will wake up out of bed and decide to strap a bomb on themselfs and go commit suicide, hamas are fighting for a reason.
thanks for the jazeera puff
Get your own back on who though (more innocents)
29 December 2008, 02:36 PM
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Because they think Fatah are a bit limp wristed, and that they're using enough suicide bombers or carrying out enough random terrorist attacks?
I think trying to defend the actions of Hamas is pushing the boundaries a little..
I think trying to defend the actions of Hamas is pushing the boundaries a little..
29 December 2008, 02:47 PM
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Guess you have a different set of moral standard to me.
I think it's pretty disgusting to kill innocents - be they Peacekeepers, palestinians, Israelis, Brazillian electricians, Americans.
You seem to just worry about arab sympathisers or arabs getting caught up in the cross fire.
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The killing will stop (maybe) if the Palestinian leadership stop calling for the wiping out of Israel. Until then a whole lot more arab innocents will die than Israeli ones.
I think it's pretty disgusting to kill innocents - be they Peacekeepers, palestinians, Israelis, Brazillian electricians, Americans.
You seem to just worry about arab sympathisers or arabs getting caught up in the cross fire.
.The killing will stop (maybe) if the Palestinian leadership stop calling for the wiping out of Israel. Until then a whole lot more arab innocents will die than Israeli ones.
Did you not read the post fully.
The GUY WAS BRITISH!!
I was talking about British people being killed and murdered by the Israeli Army.
This is just one example of a brit who was shot in the head when sheperding children from the Isreali army!
I would like you to forward your argument to Mr Hurndall's family and friends.
How about the other peacekeeper from the EU, that was ran over with a TANK?!?
Are you actually trying to argue these Brits/europeans deserve to die as they are helping out innocent children??
Anthony Hurndall, a solicitor, said the killing of his son would have remained covered up because of "obstruction" by the Israeli authorities, had he not had the resources to investigate and to win British diplo matic support. "It has only come about because we are a British family, we have a very powerful and strong influence exerted on the Israel government through our own Foreign Office and embassy here, and the fact that we had put together our own case, collected the evidence, and proved to the Israeli government that this was indeed a crime," he said.
How many other innocents from the UK have been killed helping out? there have been up to 1700 killings such as this, however not everyone had the backing and standing that Anthony hurndall had, so it has been just brushed under the carpet.
As a Brit through and through, it's outragous that you can suggest any innocent will be killed or should be killed for sympathising.
Terrorist spring to mind?
If you were Muslim there would be calls for you to be locked up for preaching what you are saying.
In any cases, killing of innocents is wrong, epecially when they are BRITS!
29 December 2008, 02:48 PM
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You know, if they stopped firing rockets then much of this could be avoided...
Israel/Palestine works thus:
Hamas runs out of weapons so declares ceasefire. Israel must agree, because they're 'big mean bully Israel' and can't be seen to be aggressive (defending themselves). Hamas gets more weapons and declares ceasefire over. Palestinian militants fire rockets into Israel. Israel gets pissed off and retaliates. Israel is once again 'big mean bully Israel'. And so one for the rest of eternity (or until Israel gets really pissed off and wipes Palestine from the map...)
Want to stop the war Palestine? Stop firing.
Israel/Palestine works thus:
Hamas runs out of weapons so declares ceasefire. Israel must agree, because they're 'big mean bully Israel' and can't be seen to be aggressive (defending themselves). Hamas gets more weapons and declares ceasefire over. Palestinian militants fire rockets into Israel. Israel gets pissed off and retaliates. Israel is once again 'big mean bully Israel'. And so one for the rest of eternity (or until Israel gets really pissed off and wipes Palestine from the map...)
Want to stop the war Palestine? Stop firing.
29 December 2008, 02:49 PM
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If you are trying to gain the vote of people on here with the old 'they killed a brit' scenario then we, as a country, will hate most nations, religions or whatever...... the Americans have killed Brits, the Irish have, Argentineans, Lebanese etc etc.........
29 December 2008, 02:51 PM
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Let's also not forget Rachael Corrie who was BULLDOZED TO death when protecting some Palestinians home!
Ruthless, cold blooded, and terrorists with an Army of nuclear weapons!
Ruthless, cold blooded, and terrorists with an Army of nuclear weapons!
29 December 2008, 02:53 PM
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Im not trying to gain anyone's vote.
They have killed more than one brit.
If you sympathise with them go ahead, but as said no other nation has murdered innocent peacekeepers in cold blood in such a ruthless manner.
29 December 2008, 03:00 PM
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The stateless palestinians in other countries (Lebanon) were kept in refugee camps. Of course, places like that will breed resentment and will become a useful recruiting place for extremists.
To say that Hezbollah used to "hide" in refugee camps is a bit disengenuous as they had no-where else to go...
29 December 2008, 03:03 PM
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That may be the case Puff, but the fact is, by force or other means they were actively using refugee camps as bases.......
Now do not get me wrong... I do not condone killing of civilians who are caught up in this...... this is in relation to the peacekeeper killing. The person went into a very dangerous territory knowing the risks and they paid the price like that Ken Bigley guy in Iraq.
Whilst I think the peace keepers and red cross people are brave people and very honourable for doing what they did, it will not come across as a suprise to find out that the odd one gets killed (from both warring sides)
Now do not get me wrong... I do not condone killing of civilians who are caught up in this...... this is in relation to the peacekeeper killing. The person went into a very dangerous territory knowing the risks and they paid the price like that Ken Bigley guy in Iraq.
Whilst I think the peace keepers and red cross people are brave people and very honourable for doing what they did, it will not come across as a suprise to find out that the odd one gets killed (from both warring sides)