Israel : Step too far?
29 December 2008, 03:04 PM
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Did you not read the post fully.
The GUY WAS BRITISH!!
I was talking about British people being killed and murdered by the Israeli Army.
This is just one example of a brit who was shot in the head when sheperding children from the Isreali army!
I would like you to forward your argument to Mr Hurndall's family and friends.
How about the other peacekeeper from the EU, that was ran over with a TANK?!?
Are you actually trying to argue these Brits/europeans deserve to die as they are helping out innocent children??
Anthony Hurndall, a solicitor, said the killing of his son would have remained covered up because of "obstruction" by the Israeli authorities, had he not had the resources to investigate and to win British diplo matic support. "It has only come about because we are a British family, we have a very powerful and strong influence exerted on the Israel government through our own Foreign Office and embassy here, and the fact that we had put together our own case, collected the evidence, and proved to the Israeli government that this was indeed a crime," he said.
How many other innocents from the UK have been killed helping out? there have been up to 1700 killings such as this, however not everyone had the backing and standing that Anthony hurndall had, so it has been just brushed under the carpet.
As a Brit through and through, it's outragous that you can suggest any innocent will be killed or should be killed for sympathising.
Terrorist spring to mind?
If you were Muslim there would be calls for you to be locked up for preaching what you are saying.
In any cases, killing of innocents is wrong, epecially when they are BRITS!
The GUY WAS BRITISH!!
I was talking about British people being killed and murdered by the Israeli Army.
This is just one example of a brit who was shot in the head when sheperding children from the Isreali army!
I would like you to forward your argument to Mr Hurndall's family and friends.
How about the other peacekeeper from the EU, that was ran over with a TANK?!?
Are you actually trying to argue these Brits/europeans deserve to die as they are helping out innocent children??
Anthony Hurndall, a solicitor, said the killing of his son would have remained covered up because of "obstruction" by the Israeli authorities, had he not had the resources to investigate and to win British diplo matic support. "It has only come about because we are a British family, we have a very powerful and strong influence exerted on the Israel government through our own Foreign Office and embassy here, and the fact that we had put together our own case, collected the evidence, and proved to the Israeli government that this was indeed a crime," he said.
How many other innocents from the UK have been killed helping out? there have been up to 1700 killings such as this, however not everyone had the backing and standing that Anthony hurndall had, so it has been just brushed under the carpet.
As a Brit through and through, it's outragous that you can suggest any innocent will be killed or should be killed for sympathising.
Terrorist spring to mind?
If you were Muslim there would be calls for you to be locked up for preaching what you are saying.
In any cases, killing of innocents is wrong, epecially when they are BRITS!
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29 December 2008, 03:07 PM
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The stateless palestinians in other countries (Lebanon) were kept in refugee camps. Of course, places like that will breed resentment and will become a useful recruiting place for extremists.
To say that Hezbollah used to "hide" in refugee camps is a bit disengenuous as they had no-where else to go...
To say that Hezbollah used to "hide" in refugee camps is a bit disengenuous as they had no-where else to go...
29 December 2008, 03:37 PM
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where did i even suggest that sympathisers should be killed.
You're the one claiming to have sympathy with terrorists - not me !
All your bollocks about oooh my family is dead - I know I'll get all my mates and get us some suicide bomber vests and try wiping out some zionist scumbags !
29 December 2008, 03:39 PM
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29 December 2008, 04:21 PM
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29 December 2008, 04:30 PM
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As the cameraman survived, I saw them shooting a Brit chap with 'TV' written on his vest and walking slowly waving a white flag once.
Also there was that gawd-awful footage of a Palestinian cowering against their 'Berlin' wall trying to protect his son from the bullets that were flying. NOTHING could have looked less threatening to a gun totting soldier. The schoolboy probably had been throwing stones, but did the father really deserve to lose his son and then see it all again on telly? That's how suicide bombers are made I would have thought?
EDIT - just found a link in case you think I am some drama queen bleedin 'eart type!
Palestinian father shields son
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Also there was that gawd-awful footage of a Palestinian cowering against their 'Berlin' wall trying to protect his son from the bullets that were flying. NOTHING could have looked less threatening to a gun totting soldier. The schoolboy probably had been throwing stones, but did the father really deserve to lose his son and then see it all again on telly? That's how suicide bombers are made I would have thought?
EDIT - just found a link in case you think I am some drama queen bleedin 'eart type!
Palestinian father shields son
D
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29 December 2008, 05:27 PM
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This old chestnut again! Seems we have a lot of opinions from people who know very little about the actual history of the area.
S/R 29: Israel: A Terrorist Success Story (Rob Miller)
I do not condone the actions of Hamas or for that matter any act that targets innocent people. However given the treatment of the Palestinians for decades it's unsurprising they react the way they do.
S/R 29: Israel: A Terrorist Success Story (Rob Miller)
I do not condone the actions of Hamas or for that matter any act that targets innocent people. However given the treatment of the Palestinians for decades it's unsurprising they react the way they do.
29 December 2008, 05:54 PM
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if you read your history israel beat all the arab states in only 8 days hence 8 day war and it knocked the **** out of them all and if palestine dont watch it they will become extinct the americans wont intervene only offer advise and clean up the carnage left if israel goes ***** out they will come out on top palestine deserves everything they get dirty ****s iran next
29 December 2008, 05:57 PM
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This old chestnut again! Seems we have a lot of opinions from people who know very little about the actual history of the area.
S/R 29: Israel: A Terrorist Success Story (Rob Miller)
I do not condone the actions of Hamas or for that matter any act that targets innocent people. However given the treatment of the Palestinians for decades it's unsurprising they react the way they do.
S/R 29: Israel: A Terrorist Success Story (Rob Miller)
I do not condone the actions of Hamas or for that matter any act that targets innocent people. However given the treatment of the Palestinians for decades it's unsurprising they react the way they do.
The fact that Israel controls the water in the area and regularly cuts it off, leaving Gaza with no santiation, no power etc etc what are they supposed to do? Just accept it? They've tried many different routes but still they get screwed over as the US backs Israel and no one wants to upset them.
To me a lot of what Israel does smacks of hypocrisy, the Jewish lobby quite rightly looks to the holocaust as a terrible moment in history but i can't see how Israel treats the people of Gaza as anything more than the 2nd class citizens the Jews were under **** rule.
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29 December 2008, 06:04 PM
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His name is Taysir Hayb and I don't think that is a Jewish name
I might be wrong, but I wouldn't have thought Al Jazeera would be.
29 December 2008, 06:04 PM
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29 December 2008, 06:27 PM
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You know what would stop a lot of people getting wound up and doing stupid/terrorist things?
STOP PEOPLE IN THE STREETS PREACHING/RAMBLING ON LOUD PA SYSTEMS
Every arab county you see this happening and all the people getting agitated, wound up and angry. The people doing the talking are only doing it to stir up hatred and trouble. Stop these people talking crap that everyone else can hear and you'd have a lot less trouble.
STOP PEOPLE IN THE STREETS PREACHING/RAMBLING ON LOUD PA SYSTEMS
Every arab county you see this happening and all the people getting agitated, wound up and angry. The people doing the talking are only doing it to stir up hatred and trouble. Stop these people talking crap that everyone else can hear and you'd have a lot less trouble.
29 December 2008, 06:54 PM
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To me a lot of what Israel does smacks of hypocrisy, the Jewish lobby quite rightly looks to the holocaust as a terrible moment in history but i can't see how Israel treats the people of Gaza as anything more than the 2nd class citizens the Jews were under **** rule.
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So close to the truth its mad ! I also debate this with jews here in North London. they cannot hark on about the holocaust and still treat others like the jews where treated in WW2. they need to set some form of moral example. we can all chat about what has taken place, this will never sort out what needs to be done. If Hamas decide to call it quits then sooner or later another mob will start on Israel.
And as for the rubbish about a few peace keepers been killed, take a look at what our soldiers are doing in Iraq. lets not try and hold the high ground on killing innocent people. That all ended years ago. War is war and only the $$$ been made and spent matters.
29 December 2008, 07:09 PM
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if you read your history israel beat all the arab states in only 8 days hence 8 day war and it knocked the **** out of them all and if palestine dont watch it they will become extinct the americans wont intervene only offer advise and clean up the carnage left if israel goes ***** out they will come out on top palestine deserves everything they get dirty ****s iran next
29 December 2008, 07:15 PM
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29 December 2008, 07:18 PM
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if you read your history israel beat all the arab states in only 8 days hence 8 day war and it knocked the **** out of them all and if palestine dont watch it they will become extinct the americans wont intervene only offer advise and clean up the carnage left if israel goes ***** out they will come out on top palestine deserves everything they get dirty ****s iran next
where ever theres americans life will be lost and if we didnt get involved in all this pointless war they wouldn't of been a 7/11.
THATS NOT FROM THE SUN NEWS PAPE
p.s you should really consider joining the army,
29 December 2008, 07:19 PM
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29 December 2008, 07:24 PM
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29 December 2008, 07:28 PM
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As the cameraman survived, I saw them shooting a Brit chap with 'TV' written on his vest and walking slowly waving a white flag once.
Also there was that gawd-awful footage of a Palestinian cowering against their 'Berlin' wall trying to protect his son from the bullets that were flying. NOTHING could have looked less threatening to a gun totting soldier. The schoolboy probably had been throwing stones, but did the father really deserve to lose his son and then see it all again on telly? That's how suicide bombers are made I would have thought?
EDIT - just found a link in case you think I am some drama queen bleedin 'eart type!
Palestinian father shields son
D
Also there was that gawd-awful footage of a Palestinian cowering against their 'Berlin' wall trying to protect his son from the bullets that were flying. NOTHING could have looked less threatening to a gun totting soldier. The schoolboy probably had been throwing stones, but did the father really deserve to lose his son and then see it all again on telly? That's how suicide bombers are made I would have thought?
EDIT - just found a link in case you think I am some drama queen bleedin 'eart type!
Palestinian father shields son
D
BUT ITS QUITE HARD TO FIND ONES OF JEWISH CIVILIANS CAUSE THEY ARE REALY NOT MANY OUT THERE.not as much as palestinians anyway
29 December 2008, 07:30 PM
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you telling me you have never seen the terrible pics and video on Tv etc after a suicide attack on a school bus etc in Israel. If you tell me you dont ever read a paper or watch Tv then i can understand? but if not then i really think you need to do some internet searching before you post again
and i thought i was in my own little world. do you know what day it is even?
Edited to allow "1st class" to understand !
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29 December 2008, 07:35 PM
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The reason i stressed this point cause people will look at it diffrent, 50% of people on this forum always jump on a bandwagon and are very narrow minded. they are forever siding against the muslims with out really knowing what's going on, what ever they read on the sun they believe. so i thought it would of been a good idea to state some facts to make people more aware maybe research the net even youtube to see whats really going on and then they cast useful opinion to stop this war no make more war
Hezbollah are doing themselves no favours by encouraging this type of war and the Israeli's are in return acting overt the top with the amount of force that they use so until they can come to a diplomatic solution (which we all know will never hapen ) then the killing will continue.
29 December 2008, 07:38 PM
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And I think the thing about that IDF soldier being ethnically Arab is right I believe (at least from that documentary on it). The issue of the soldiers ethnicity isn't really the point though - he was an isreali, and an IDF soldier and there was state collusion in order to cover up what was basically the cold blooded killing of an undeniably (something that can't be said in the vast majority of these cases, these situations tend to be very, very confused for both sides) unarmed person. Lets not confuse a dislike for Israeli government policies for any comment on people of the Jewish faith.
The fact is if any other state acted in this way there would be international outrage - look at the grief Russia got for Georgia, and Georgia pretty much asked for it!
The fact is if any other state acted in this way there would be international outrage - look at the grief Russia got for Georgia, and Georgia pretty much asked for it!
29 December 2008, 07:42 PM
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Israel like to turn the electricity off in areas of Palestine after rocket attacks. To punish a population based on the actions of others was made a war crime after the 2nd world war (****'s killing townsfolk for others actions), yet this still goes on and no-one does anything about it.
Israel know they can do wtf they want and no-one will stop them.
Have you ever met Israeli's while on holiday? They're proper wnkers, very egotistical, they act like their country, plus they all think they're gods gift because they know how to shoot people.
Israel know they can do wtf they want and no-one will stop them.
Have you ever met Israeli's while on holiday? They're proper wnkers, very egotistical, they act like their country, plus they all think they're gods gift because they know how to shoot people.
29 December 2008, 07:43 PM
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And I think the thing about that IDF soldier being ethnically Arab is right I believe (at least from that documentary on it). The issue of the soldiers ethnicity isn't really the point though - he was an isreali, and an IDF soldier and there was state collusion in order to cover up what was basically the cold blooded killing of an undeniably (something that can't be said in the vast majority of these cases, these situations tend to be very, very confused for both sides) unarmed person. Lets not confuse a dislike for Israeli government policies for any comment on people of the Jewish faith.
The fact is if any other state acted in this way there would be international outrage - look at the grief Russia got for Georgia, and Georgia pretty much asked for it!
The fact is if any other state acted in this way there would be international outrage - look at the grief Russia got for Georgia, and Georgia pretty much asked for it!
we can narrow it down to 2 things.
Jewish money
Jewish influence
it counts for a lot.
29 December 2008, 08:02 PM
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Israel like to turn the electricity off in areas of Palestine after rocket attacks. To punish a population based on the actions of others was made a war crime after the 2nd world war (****'s killing townsfolk for others actions), yet this still goes on and no-one does anything about it.
Israel know they can do wtf they want and no-one will stop them.
Have you ever met Israeli's while on holiday? They're proper wnkers, very egotistical, they act like their country, plus they all think they're gods gift because they know how to shoot people.
Israel know they can do wtf they want and no-one will stop them.
Have you ever met Israeli's while on holiday? They're proper wnkers, very egotistical, they act like their country, plus they all think they're gods gift because they know how to shoot people.
oh also they would never shake your hand unless youve completed a transaction with them. again good luck to them i respect there beliefs and coltures but the ones in israel they can go to hell as far as im concerned. that country didnt even belong to them to start with.