Israel : Step too far?
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You have no idea how hard i have to grit my teeth at your use of "life choice" within that second sentence, but let's not go there. Moses is one of the deeply religious Muslims to whom you refer, end of story.
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A quick read of the history books would reveal that the Jews have been in and around the area long before 14 May 1948. Even Wikipedia ( Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) has a reasonable write-up.
It remains that indigenous Arabs have been disadvantaged unfairly and savagely in my view by the carve up. Its after all the Jews that felt the need to build 'Berlin' walls - despite their history of living in the area for centuries. 'Share nicely' as I tell my 3yr old!!!!
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*simple, one paragraph view of history disclaimer applies
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How do you 'grit' teeth? 'Birth fate' would be clinically more apt, whatever your religion. D
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the timing is amazing....... i think Israel will show its hand very soon. I dont care about loss of life etc ..makes me laugh when the yanks interview and mention the tragic loss of lives.....dont they know about iraq and whats going on in Africa ? 200-300 is nothing to what might happen. I think Israel have been too good for too long, they need to go "full metal Jacket" and give us something to watch on TV
They seemed to go a bit quiet when they realised the mayhem and destruction as well as loss of lives which resulted from the "Shock and Awe" tactics!
Whatever anybody says, war is obscene!
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It's pretty horrendous imo, especially when the loss of lives are considered trivial from both sides.
However it's interesting to note how the media and papers are justifying that 1 israeli life is worth 300 palestinian deaths.. 3 months of rocket attacks and two or three israelis died? - compare that with the 300 in the past couple of days and probably double that from the collective punishment that has taken place on the palestinians.
Yet no one noticed the systematic collective punishment that has been going on with the various block aids resulting in an almost entirely crippled group of people - you corner someone like that and they will try to fight back, even if they only have stones and rockets.
I don't think either side ever had any intention of settling for peace, on the one hand you have this incesent racist attitude and policy in the israeli goverment and then on the other hand you have a desperate group of thugs who have no intention of serving the palestinian people but to fuel their own desires.
I laughed when I read the excuse for starting the attacks just as children were leaving school - BULL****!, it was a deliberate act to cause as much outrage and provocation as possible by maiming and killing small children (not that this is a new thing, kids get snipered all the time in that place).
I wonder what body count it will take before people start to say "enough is enough, this is mass genocide"?
However it's interesting to note how the media and papers are justifying that 1 israeli life is worth 300 palestinian deaths.. 3 months of rocket attacks and two or three israelis died? - compare that with the 300 in the past couple of days and probably double that from the collective punishment that has taken place on the palestinians.
Yet no one noticed the systematic collective punishment that has been going on with the various block aids resulting in an almost entirely crippled group of people - you corner someone like that and they will try to fight back, even if they only have stones and rockets.
I don't think either side ever had any intention of settling for peace, on the one hand you have this incesent racist attitude and policy in the israeli goverment and then on the other hand you have a desperate group of thugs who have no intention of serving the palestinian people but to fuel their own desires.
I laughed when I read the excuse for starting the attacks just as children were leaving school - BULL****!, it was a deliberate act to cause as much outrage and provocation as possible by maiming and killing small children (not that this is a new thing, kids get snipered all the time in that place).
I wonder what body count it will take before people start to say "enough is enough, this is mass genocide"?
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This thread just typifies the SN usual revolutionary Armchair warriors, armed with their trusty keyboard, and Tabloid Newspapers.
No-one on this thread can relate to the Palestinians and never will be able to. The usual SN muppets are just taking another opportunity to take a swipe at Muslims as usual.
TBH some of the responses in this thread are pretty pathetic. With very little knowledge and a tabloid, an SN member's assumptions are pretty dangerous and as per usual wrong.
Whatever anyone says, there is no way anyone can justify what they are doing, if it was to a group of people who perhaps followed a different belief then the SN Consensus would be the opposite, however anyone that's killing Muslims can't be wrong can they?...
Anyone with any humanity cannot justify the killing of a nation who has no army with tanks and rockets.
I seriously am glad that some of the Subaru members on here count for so little on election day in this country.
Check on any other forum, and the only ignorant responses you get are from the SN crowd.
The demographic base of this forum has degenerated so much over the years it's appalling. 1st time I've seen this thread, and last time I'll post because no doubt the usual suspects will carry on babbling with their drivel, as they have obviously been out to Israel and seen how much suffering there is in the country, and apart from wikipedia they have obviously studied into the history of the country and the origins.
If your going to argue something please use some facts, not something that's been picked up on a google search or a tabloid paper.
Seriously re-read the thread and see how some of you come across, next thing the BNP will be headhunting from this site...
No-one on this thread can relate to the Palestinians and never will be able to. The usual SN muppets are just taking another opportunity to take a swipe at Muslims as usual.
TBH some of the responses in this thread are pretty pathetic. With very little knowledge and a tabloid, an SN member's assumptions are pretty dangerous and as per usual wrong.
Whatever anyone says, there is no way anyone can justify what they are doing, if it was to a group of people who perhaps followed a different belief then the SN Consensus would be the opposite, however anyone that's killing Muslims can't be wrong can they?...
Anyone with any humanity cannot justify the killing of a nation who has no army with tanks and rockets.
I seriously am glad that some of the Subaru members on here count for so little on election day in this country.
Check on any other forum, and the only ignorant responses you get are from the SN crowd.
The demographic base of this forum has degenerated so much over the years it's appalling. 1st time I've seen this thread, and last time I'll post because no doubt the usual suspects will carry on babbling with their drivel, as they have obviously been out to Israel and seen how much suffering there is in the country, and apart from wikipedia they have obviously studied into the history of the country and the origins.
If your going to argue something please use some facts, not something that's been picked up on a google search or a tabloid paper.
Seriously re-read the thread and see how some of you come across, next thing the BNP will be headhunting from this site...
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Incase the above is aimed at me......
1) I do not read tabloids like The Sun, Mirror etc
2) I never once mentioned muslims
3) I can not relate to them... and thank god for that.
4) Bombing civilians is not ok..... bombing Hamas militia and organisation is
Happy to clear up my position
1) I do not read tabloids like The Sun, Mirror etc
2) I never once mentioned muslims
3) I can not relate to them... and thank god for that.
4) Bombing civilians is not ok..... bombing Hamas militia and organisation is
Happy to clear up my position
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Of course the rockets should stop...but what then? Locking in the status quo with a ceasefire favours only Israel as they have everything they want, territory, power and no just settlement.
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This thread just typifies the SN usual revolutionary Armchair warriors, armed with their trusty keyboard, and Tabloid Newspapers.
No-one on this thread can relate to the Palestinians and never will be able to. The usual SN muppets are just taking another opportunity to take a swipe at Muslims as usual.
TBH some of the responses in this thread are pretty pathetic. With very little knowledge and a tabloid, an SN member's assumptions are pretty dangerous and as per usual wrong.
Whatever anyone says, there is no way anyone can justify what they are doing, if it was to a group of people who perhaps followed a different belief then the SN Consensus would be the opposite, however anyone that's killing Muslims can't be wrong can they?...
Anyone with any humanity cannot justify the killing of a nation who has no army with tanks and rockets.
I seriously am glad that some of the Subaru members on here count for so little on election day in this country.
Check on any other forum, and the only ignorant responses you get are from the SN crowd.
The demographic base of this forum has degenerated so much over the years it's appalling. 1st time I've seen this thread, and last time I'll post because no doubt the usual suspects will carry on babbling with their drivel, as they have obviously been out to Israel and seen how much suffering there is in the country, and apart from wikipedia they have obviously studied into the history of the country and the origins.
If your going to argue something please use some facts, not something that's been picked up on a google search or a tabloid paper.
Seriously re-read the thread and see how some of you come across, next thing the BNP will be headhunting from this site...
No-one on this thread can relate to the Palestinians and never will be able to. The usual SN muppets are just taking another opportunity to take a swipe at Muslims as usual.
TBH some of the responses in this thread are pretty pathetic. With very little knowledge and a tabloid, an SN member's assumptions are pretty dangerous and as per usual wrong.
Whatever anyone says, there is no way anyone can justify what they are doing, if it was to a group of people who perhaps followed a different belief then the SN Consensus would be the opposite, however anyone that's killing Muslims can't be wrong can they?...
Anyone with any humanity cannot justify the killing of a nation who has no army with tanks and rockets.
I seriously am glad that some of the Subaru members on here count for so little on election day in this country.
Check on any other forum, and the only ignorant responses you get are from the SN crowd.
The demographic base of this forum has degenerated so much over the years it's appalling. 1st time I've seen this thread, and last time I'll post because no doubt the usual suspects will carry on babbling with their drivel, as they have obviously been out to Israel and seen how much suffering there is in the country, and apart from wikipedia they have obviously studied into the history of the country and the origins.
If your going to argue something please use some facts, not something that's been picked up on a google search or a tabloid paper.
Seriously re-read the thread and see how some of you come across, next thing the BNP will be headhunting from this site...
Last time I checked there weren't any Israelis running round London / Glasgow trying to kill anyone so you'll forgive me if I find it hard to sympathise with the muslim terrorists in charge of Gaza.
ps I don't like what Israel are doing any more than you do - but my solution of Nuking the whole ******* lot of them would fall foul of even the most right wing SN members.
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Not under the Romans, Ottomans, Brits and what have you.
Between 1948 and 1967 the West bank and Gaza were ruled under the aegis of Egypt and Jordan - no talk of a palestinian state then - this waited until after 1967 when it then suited these two states (who currently turn their backs to their "brothers") to call for statehood.
The above is not very palatable perhaps, but does have a relevancy to what is currently going on.
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Sorry - but I had to quote this from the Daily Mash report posted above.. genius!
"Fatah and Mahmoud Abbas are so sensible and tedious. It's all talking and protesting and chucking a few rocks once a week.
"Sure we can flatten a few streets but it's not the same. Rocket attacks mean you can go *****-out crazy ape****. I just love Hamas. They really get us."
"Sure we can flatten a few streets but it's not the same. Rocket attacks mean you can go *****-out crazy ape****. I just love Hamas. They really get us."
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Hint: goat farmers of old v newcomers with tanks, air force and cement mixers. Mate, over to your call based on length of ugly side burns v ugly beards.. D
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I remember when the attack on Iraq was mooted that some people on this forum could not wait for the war to begin. They too were talking about looking forward to watching it all from their armchairs on TV.
They seemed to go a bit quiet when they realised the mayhem and destruction as well as loss of lives which resulted from the "Shock and Awe" tactics!
Whatever anybody says, war is obscene!
Les
They seemed to go a bit quiet when they realised the mayhem and destruction as well as loss of lives which resulted from the "Shock and Awe" tactics!
Whatever anybody says, war is obscene!
Les
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your right ...there is nothing nice about war. But if it all kicks off , i will be glued to the TV. Not eating pop corn and laughing , But fascinated by what takes place. You and I have both been part of the Great "war machine" and we know its almost impossible to describe .Watching a head been blown clean off for real is far beyond "hi def" TV .
The fact remains Hamas etc KNOW full well they dont stand a chance. So why do they try and who is pushing them and why??
there is more to this than we know.
And for those that wish to say many members here seem to have negative opinions about Muslims etc... remember many will be young and have grown up with all this "muslim this and that" going on. Just like a young Muslim grows up hearing about the "evil west"
I am sure there are muslim forums with far more hate for Us than you will see on this forum against Muslims. who is to blame?? the media , the schools or the very fact that both sides religious leaders need to control what is been preached more.
My money is on Israel. as i said i dont agree and i dont see how this debate can be won by anyone . But when it goes "Busy" israel will destroy all in its path. the Arab world will never win as they are not the "brothers" they like us to think they are.
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evening gents for the record this moses guy sounds like a bit of legend great minds think a like i guess, he was a member before i joined so never had any dealings with him but personally i would love to hear his opinions on this thread. so jasey i'm not moses.lol and also jasey thats a very good point you made about you dont see jewish people trying to blow london reason for that is the u.k and america are big allias with israel that why. uk and america are always digging there noses in for israel. HAD WE NOT WASTED OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN THEN WE WOULDNT OF HAD 7/11 SIMPLE!!!
it obvious the israelies will continue killing, hamas will always be there and will always be recruiting they will never wipe out palestine NEVER !!!!
in regards to SUICDE bombing or killing muslims then its against the religon to start a war where there is peace.
and in school in a arab country they dont preach hate i should know i was born in saudi and i also went school there so did all my brothers.
luke you made a good point about its the new generation thats shouting out muslims this and muslims that how can you control it??who do you blame.obviously the media,parenting, and lack of education.
who controls the media???????????????????
it obvious the israelies will continue killing, hamas will always be there and will always be recruiting they will never wipe out palestine NEVER !!!!
in regards to SUICDE bombing or killing muslims then its against the religon to start a war where there is peace.
and in school in a arab country they dont preach hate i should know i was born in saudi and i also went school there so did all my brothers.
luke you made a good point about its the new generation thats shouting out muslims this and muslims that how can you control it??who do you blame.obviously the media,parenting, and lack of education.
who controls the media???????????????????