Israel : Step too far?
30 December 2008, 09:53 PM
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luke you made a good point about its the new generation thats shouting out muslims this and muslims that how can you control it??who do you blame.obviously the media,parenting, and lack of education.
who controls the media???????????????????[/QUOTE]
thank you! I have been known to make many good points on scoobynet :-) ! i am just miss understood !!!!!
well many say the "jews" control the media , but i dont think so ....well not to the extent many think.
Moses was a victim of his own success on scoobynet. To be a outspoken Muslim in his time was risky ! i still think he was having a laugh with all of us !!But i often wish i had accepted his offer to meet and eat with his family. I would imagine he is a real GENT.
who controls the media???????????????????[/QUOTE]
thank you! I have been known to make many good points on scoobynet :-) ! i am just miss understood !!!!!
well many say the "jews" control the media , but i dont think so ....well not to the extent many think.
Moses was a victim of his own success on scoobynet. To be a outspoken Muslim in his time was risky ! i still think he was having a laugh with all of us !!But i often wish i had accepted his offer to meet and eat with his family. I would imagine he is a real GENT.
30 December 2008, 10:08 PM
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I agree........ But could that have been the reason the UK gave the Jews Israel ????? as a long term issue for some scheme we have with the Americans etc.
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Moses was a victim of his own success on scoobynet. To be a outspoken Muslim in his time was risky ! i still think he was having a laugh with all of us !!But i often wish i had accepted his offer to meet and eat with his family. I would imagine he is a real GENT.[/QUOTE]
his on mlr i think maybe you should send him a pm, i think he wanted to show you how muslims treat there visitors not matter where there form.
he sounds like a legend of scoobynet so i take he just stopped posting
his on mlr i think maybe you should send him a pm, i think he wanted to show you how muslims treat there visitors not matter where there form.
he sounds like a legend of scoobynet so i take he just stopped posting
30 December 2008, 10:18 PM
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Moses was a victim of his own success on scoobynet. To be a outspoken Muslim in his time was risky ! i still think he was having a laugh with all of us !!But i often wish i had accepted his offer to meet and eat with his family. I would imagine he is a real GENT.
he sounds like a legend of scoobynet so i take he just stopped posting[/QUOTE]
I think it was a mix of been bullied out or been banned. What ever i miss his style and i am sure many others also miss him . we just accepted his style and humor
30 December 2008, 10:21 PM
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There was certainly motives which were not made explicit. Certainly Britain wanted to influence Jewish citizens in the US and Russia, to put pressure on their respective Governments to side with the Brits in the war. Ultimately it was a case of people giving something that didn't belong to them.
30 December 2008, 10:37 PM
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Israel is full of religious fanatics, extremists and fundamentalists. They believe that Jerusalem and all the holly lands are their's by god given right.
They massacred hundreds of Palestinians and occupied their lands, built settlements and now the separation wall which stops farmers working their lands to make what little money they can to support their families, along with stopping access to clean water.
The media hypes Islamic fundamentalists all the time but fails to mention how extreme parties like the Shin Bet and other Israeli organizations launch offensives regularly all on the basis of religious beliefs.
To understand the conflict in Palestine is to understand the goal of the Israeli government and the issues surrounding the temple mount, the resurrection of King Solemans temple and the end of days.
Bottom line is Israel should give back all the land they invaded to those people who are still left (entire families and generations were murdered!) and **** off out of Palestine, only then will the rockets stop.
Think about it seriously, you're at home suddenly solders break in, kill your family, knock down your house, build their own, force you to become a refugee in your own country, destroy your ability to access clean water, health care or electricity, you can't feed what family you have left...what do you do?
Children as yound as 12 years old, barefoot and hungry throw stones at fully armoured soliders carrying the latest in military weapons, children who have seen their mothers, sisters, farthers and brothers murdered in front of their own eyes. They have nothing to fight with, no planes and tanks, its not a fair fight, its just a one sided masacre!
Rockets that are used by Hamas are short range and do little damage compared to 250 people killed in 24 hours from Israeli bombs. This destruction has to stop.
Israel are the biggest purveyors of weapons of mass destruction second to the USA, they have committed genocide and are still to this day partaking in crimes against humanity.
Read books, speak to educated people, gain knowledge and understand what is happening rather than watching sky news/CNN, these biased news channel tell joe public nothing of the truth. If you guys knew what Israel was actually doing, if you knew that Israeli soldiers shoot off Palestinian children's kneecaps and booby-trap toys to kill Palestinian children. With the aim to destroy the youth so there is no one left to take up the fight against them in the future, you may think differently and may undestand what drives a person to take there own life.
I don't condone the killing of innocent civilians, but hey whats a few hundred Palestinian civilians here or there? they are not American or Israeli, after all they are muslim so who cares right?
They massacred hundreds of Palestinians and occupied their lands, built settlements and now the separation wall which stops farmers working their lands to make what little money they can to support their families, along with stopping access to clean water.
The media hypes Islamic fundamentalists all the time but fails to mention how extreme parties like the Shin Bet and other Israeli organizations launch offensives regularly all on the basis of religious beliefs.
To understand the conflict in Palestine is to understand the goal of the Israeli government and the issues surrounding the temple mount, the resurrection of King Solemans temple and the end of days.
Bottom line is Israel should give back all the land they invaded to those people who are still left (entire families and generations were murdered!) and **** off out of Palestine, only then will the rockets stop.
Think about it seriously, you're at home suddenly solders break in, kill your family, knock down your house, build their own, force you to become a refugee in your own country, destroy your ability to access clean water, health care or electricity, you can't feed what family you have left...what do you do?
Children as yound as 12 years old, barefoot and hungry throw stones at fully armoured soliders carrying the latest in military weapons, children who have seen their mothers, sisters, farthers and brothers murdered in front of their own eyes. They have nothing to fight with, no planes and tanks, its not a fair fight, its just a one sided masacre!
Rockets that are used by Hamas are short range and do little damage compared to 250 people killed in 24 hours from Israeli bombs. This destruction has to stop.
Israel are the biggest purveyors of weapons of mass destruction second to the USA, they have committed genocide and are still to this day partaking in crimes against humanity.
Read books, speak to educated people, gain knowledge and understand what is happening rather than watching sky news/CNN, these biased news channel tell joe public nothing of the truth. If you guys knew what Israel was actually doing, if you knew that Israeli soldiers shoot off Palestinian children's kneecaps and booby-trap toys to kill Palestinian children. With the aim to destroy the youth so there is no one left to take up the fight against them in the future, you may think differently and may undestand what drives a person to take there own life.
I don't condone the killing of innocent civilians, but hey whats a few hundred Palestinian civilians here or there? they are not American or Israeli, after all they are muslim so who cares right?
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we care about all children i hope. trouble is its a no win situation. Israel will not give up its defense of its land or people. lets not get bogged down with who did own it. Israel own it now . What needs to happen is the other Arab nations look at the situation and agree they can NEVER win. Take the palestinians give them some money and land elsewhere. after a bit they will settle down and life can go on. for educated palestinians to continue to try and get younger and younger men etc to fight is a crime in it own.
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ive just spent the last 10 minutes looking though moses posts and to be honest he seemed like a cool guy to me who always had something to talk about which is always good for foums. some liked him and some hated him. there were some and there still w****s on the forum that just like going along with majority but there is also good honest people who have an open mind who cast there opinions based on facts or experiences.
morpheus i hear you some very good points there. when people start looking at palestinians like humans not just muslims then they will be a change. although again i appreciate certain individuals on this thread are taking the time to research facts.
p.s im not talking about everyone on this thread. and others who haven't come in to this thread as yet. who i'm very suprised haven't posted yet.
morpheus i hear you some very good points there. when people start looking at palestinians like humans not just muslims then they will be a change. although again i appreciate certain individuals on this thread are taking the time to research facts.
p.s im not talking about everyone on this thread. and others who haven't come in to this thread as yet. who i'm very suprised haven't posted yet.
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. and others who haven't come in to this thread as yet. who i'm very suprised haven't posted yet.[/QUOTE]
you mean the "Scoobynet gang" you know... one makes a post and the others all PM each other and say "lets all love each others posts up" ?
And reply like its a bloody tea party for themselves!!
you have to be proved to be insecure to be a member.
you mean the "Scoobynet gang" you know... one makes a post and the others all PM each other and say "lets all love each others posts up" ?
And reply like its a bloody tea party for themselves!!
you have to be proved to be insecure to be a member.
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we care about all children i hope. trouble is its a no win situation. Israel will not give up its defense of its land or people. lets not get bogged down with who did own it. Israel own it now . What needs to happen is the other Arab nations look at the situation and agree they can NEVER win. Take the palestinians give them some money and land elsewhere. after a bit they will settle down and life can go on. for educated palestinians to continue to try and get younger and younger men etc to fight is a crime in it own.
luke i dont think you get it mate palestinian people will never move out of palestine because the masjid al aksa is there. and why should one of the arab countries give the palestinians land. maybe the arab countries should do what americans and the english did for jews. move em all in here and america.
30 December 2008, 11:00 PM
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And reply like its a bloody tea party for themselves!!
the point im making is there members on here that would love to hate islam. simple no need to get too smart luke
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luke i dont think you get it mate palestinian people will never move out of palestine because the masjid al aksa is there. and why should one of the arab countries give the palestinians land. maybe the arab countries should do what americans and the english did for jews. move em all in here and america.
its better to eat humble pie and start again than to fight until you have lost everything. As i said.... The other Arab nations are only pretending to care
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you mean the "Scoobynet gang" you know... one makes a post and the others all PM each other and say "lets all love each others posts up" ?
And reply like its a bloody tea party for themselves!!
the point im making is there members on here that would love to hate islam. simple no need to get too smart luke
And reply like its a bloody tea party for themselves!!
the point im making is there members on here that would love to hate islam. simple no need to get too smart luke
well i am going out soon and i like been smart !
many here will have no love for muslims. Does that make them wrong? is it their lack of education etc or how they have seen whats going on around them here in UK? I dont hate muslims i get on well with them. But i still dont expect to hear them "having a go about the UK" most of them love the UK and have made this their true home . they would fight for the UK not against it
Luke , smart and going out !
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well i am going out soon and i like been smart !
many here will have no love for muslims. Does that make them wrong? is it their lack of education etc or how they have seen whats going on around them here in UK? I dont hate muslims
good point there
Luke , smart and going out !
many here will have no love for muslims. Does that make them wrong? is it their lack of education etc or how they have seen whats going on around them here in UK? I dont hate muslims
good point there
Luke , smart and going out !
31 December 2008, 01:12 AM
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the Israelis will not back down. they have the $$ , the troops and by god do they have the hardware to take the whole area down to the ground.
its better to eat humble pie and start again than to fight until you have lost everything. As i said.... The other Arab nations are only pretending to care
its better to eat humble pie and start again than to fight until you have lost everything. As i said.... The other Arab nations are only pretending to care
However I disagree with eating humble pie, yous say why fight untill they have lost everything, most have lost everything, they don't have the means to just get up and leave, to do that you need money, you need basic things that all people need to survive, food, clean water, medical care, transport, roads free to allow you to move. The land of Gaza is captured, imprisoned and all supply routes in and out are blocked off, these people have no where to go or the means to do so.
imo why should they leave their country, **** that i respect their strong character and courage in the face of such adversities. I also think that Israel should realise that they can never win also, occupation in every country and throughout history has never been successful.
The Russian's in Afghanistan had to leave as will the American's eventually, same with Iraq etc...Israel knows this so their only solution is to cripple the country and leave it in a weakend state. They tried to do the same with Lebanon not so long ago, a country which was doing well and who's economy and indusrty was growing. So what did Israel do, bomb the crap out of the place and send it back ten years, why? becuase they want to be the only Super Power in the middle east. They thought it would be easy to invade Lebanon untill they got their ***** kicked by Hezbollah gorillas and realised they couldn't win and high tailed it out of there.
Occupation doesn't work history proves this.
31 December 2008, 04:12 AM
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I agree Luke with what the Arabs are doing...bottom line they don't give a **** after all they are rich off American dollars, why would they bite the hand that feeds them.
However I disagree with eating humble pie, yous say why fight untill they have lost everything, most have lost everything, they don't have the means to just get up and leave, to do that you need money, you need basic things that all people need to survive, food, clean water, medical care, transport, roads free to allow you to move. The land of Gaza is captured, imprisoned and all supply routes in and out are blocked off, these people have no where to go or the means to do so.
imo why should they leave their country, **** that i respect their strong character and courage in the face of such adversities. I also think that Israel should realise that they can never win also, occupation in every country and throughout history has never been successful.
The Russian's in Afghanistan had to leave as will the American's eventually, same with Iraq etc...Israel knows this so their only solution is to cripple the country and leave it in a weakend state. They tried to do the same with Lebanon not so long ago, a country which was doing well and who's economy and indusrty was growing. So what did Israel do, bomb the crap out of the place and send it back ten years, why? becuase they want to be the only Super Power in the middle east. They thought it would be easy to invade Lebanon untill they got their ***** kicked by Hezbollah gorillas and realised they couldn't win and high tailed it out of there.
Occupation doesn't work history proves this.
However I disagree with eating humble pie, yous say why fight untill they have lost everything, most have lost everything, they don't have the means to just get up and leave, to do that you need money, you need basic things that all people need to survive, food, clean water, medical care, transport, roads free to allow you to move. The land of Gaza is captured, imprisoned and all supply routes in and out are blocked off, these people have no where to go or the means to do so.
imo why should they leave their country, **** that i respect their strong character and courage in the face of such adversities. I also think that Israel should realise that they can never win also, occupation in every country and throughout history has never been successful.
The Russian's in Afghanistan had to leave as will the American's eventually, same with Iraq etc...Israel knows this so their only solution is to cripple the country and leave it in a weakend state. They tried to do the same with Lebanon not so long ago, a country which was doing well and who's economy and indusrty was growing. So what did Israel do, bomb the crap out of the place and send it back ten years, why? becuase they want to be the only Super Power in the middle east. They thought it would be easy to invade Lebanon untill they got their ***** kicked by Hezbollah gorillas and realised they couldn't win and high tailed it out of there.
Occupation doesn't work history proves this.
There seems to me a mentality that people in Israel are some how going to leave. It is not going to happen.
I dare say Israel probably is probably applying lessons learnt in Lebanon as we speak.
I am sure the average Lebanese is thrilled to have the southern half of their country run by Hezbollah - perhaps we need to get a few over here.
No doubt they have a lot to offer.
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Yes..... their fellow Arabs are so concerned !!!!!!!!!
In Dubai as a act of "Solidarity " they have decided to cancel todays "new year" celebrations.
Wow Bet the israelis will be bothered !!
In Dubai as a act of "Solidarity " they have decided to cancel todays "new year" celebrations.
Wow Bet the israelis will be bothered !!
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If Terrorists want to rule effectively then they have to stop killing civilians and start talking to their enemies.
Martin McGuiness and Nelson Mandela worked it out - Why can't your average Hezbollah member see that they are on a hiding to nothing.
It's a shame that so many more Palestinians are going to have to die before they finally realise this
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And if we get many more attacks on the UK from muslim fundamentalists we could start to see a bit of civil unrest in this country - been a while since we've had a good old race riot but the conditions seem set for a return of these in 2009.
Hope I'm wrong !
Martin McGuiness and Nelson Mandela worked it out - Why can't your average Hezbollah member see that they are on a hiding to nothing.
It's a shame that so many more Palestinians are going to have to die before they finally realise this
.And if we get many more attacks on the UK from muslim fundamentalists we could start to see a bit of civil unrest in this country - been a while since we've had a good old race riot but the conditions seem set for a return of these in 2009
.Hope I'm wrong !
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Hezbollah are enjoying it. Lots of money and lots of kudos for these idiots. Only a idiot would not understand the battle cannot ever be won against Israel.
they just keep it going for their own agenda.
Race riots in this country now would be extreme. The current feeling among the younger people is not good. We to will feel as if our country has been taken away from us soon. Unless the madness stops.
they just keep it going for their own agenda.
Race riots in this country now would be extreme. The current feeling among the younger people is not good. We to will feel as if our country has been taken away from us soon. Unless the madness stops.
31 December 2008, 08:40 AM
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isn't one of the problems the law Israel has that gurantees every Jew in the world citizenship and a home -- which causes the need to add additional land to an already overcrowded place
I fully understand and appreciate the historical necessity of this "lifeboat" law to exist -- but surely its time to stop it
I fully understand and appreciate the historical necessity of this "lifeboat" law to exist -- but surely its time to stop it
31 December 2008, 09:19 AM
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isn't one of the problems the law Israel has that gurantees every Jew in the world citizenship and a home -- which causes the need to add additional land to an already overcrowded place
I fully understand and appreciate the historical necessity of this "lifeboat" law to exist -- but surely its time to stop it
I fully understand and appreciate the historical necessity of this "lifeboat" law to exist -- but surely its time to stop it
I think the Palestinians would like it to include them.
31 December 2008, 10:29 AM
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isn't one of the problems the law Israel has that gurantees every Jew in the world citizenship and a home -- which causes the need to add additional land to an already overcrowded place
I fully understand and appreciate the historical necessity of this "lifeboat" law to exist -- but surely its time to stop it
I fully understand and appreciate the historical necessity of this "lifeboat" law to exist -- but surely its time to stop it
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Israel is full of religious fanatics, extremists and fundamentalists. They believe that Jerusalem and all the holly lands are their's by god given right.
They massacred hundreds of Palestinians and occupied their lands, built settlements and now the separation wall which stops farmers working their lands to make what little money they can to support their families, along with stopping access to clean water.
The media hypes Islamic fundamentalists all the time but fails to mention how extreme parties like the Shin Bet and other Israeli organizations launch offensives regularly all on the basis of religious beliefs.
To understand the conflict in Palestine is to understand the goal of the Israeli government and the issues surrounding the temple mount, the resurrection of King Solemans temple and the end of days.
Bottom line is Israel should give back all the land they invaded to those people who are still left (entire families and generations were murdered!) and **** off out of Palestine, only then will the rockets stop.
Think about it seriously, you're at home suddenly solders break in, kill your family, knock down your house, build their own, force you to become a refugee in your own country, destroy your ability to access clean water, health care or electricity, you can't feed what family you have left...what do you do?
Children as yound as 12 years old, barefoot and hungry throw stones at fully armoured soliders carrying the latest in military weapons, children who have seen their mothers, sisters, farthers and brothers murdered in front of their own eyes. They have nothing to fight with, no planes and tanks, its not a fair fight, its just a one sided masacre!
Rockets that are used by Hamas are short range and do little damage compared to 250 people killed in 24 hours from Israeli bombs. This destruction has to stop.
Israel are the biggest purveyors of weapons of mass destruction second to the USA, they have committed genocide and are still to this day partaking in crimes against humanity.
Read books, speak to educated people, gain knowledge and understand what is happening rather than watching sky news/CNN, these biased news channel tell joe public nothing of the truth. If you guys knew what Israel was actually doing, if you knew that Israeli soldiers shoot off Palestinian children's kneecaps and booby-trap toys to kill Palestinian children. With the aim to destroy the youth so there is no one left to take up the fight against them in the future, you may think differently and may undestand what drives a person to take there own life.
I don't condone the killing of innocent civilians, but hey whats a few hundred Palestinian civilians here or there? they are not American or Israeli, after all they are muslim so who cares right?
They massacred hundreds of Palestinians and occupied their lands, built settlements and now the separation wall which stops farmers working their lands to make what little money they can to support their families, along with stopping access to clean water.
The media hypes Islamic fundamentalists all the time but fails to mention how extreme parties like the Shin Bet and other Israeli organizations launch offensives regularly all on the basis of religious beliefs.
To understand the conflict in Palestine is to understand the goal of the Israeli government and the issues surrounding the temple mount, the resurrection of King Solemans temple and the end of days.
Bottom line is Israel should give back all the land they invaded to those people who are still left (entire families and generations were murdered!) and **** off out of Palestine, only then will the rockets stop.
Think about it seriously, you're at home suddenly solders break in, kill your family, knock down your house, build their own, force you to become a refugee in your own country, destroy your ability to access clean water, health care or electricity, you can't feed what family you have left...what do you do?
Children as yound as 12 years old, barefoot and hungry throw stones at fully armoured soliders carrying the latest in military weapons, children who have seen their mothers, sisters, farthers and brothers murdered in front of their own eyes. They have nothing to fight with, no planes and tanks, its not a fair fight, its just a one sided masacre!
Rockets that are used by Hamas are short range and do little damage compared to 250 people killed in 24 hours from Israeli bombs. This destruction has to stop.
Israel are the biggest purveyors of weapons of mass destruction second to the USA, they have committed genocide and are still to this day partaking in crimes against humanity.
Read books, speak to educated people, gain knowledge and understand what is happening rather than watching sky news/CNN, these biased news channel tell joe public nothing of the truth. If you guys knew what Israel was actually doing, if you knew that Israeli soldiers shoot off Palestinian children's kneecaps and booby-trap toys to kill Palestinian children. With the aim to destroy the youth so there is no one left to take up the fight against them in the future, you may think differently and may undestand what drives a person to take there own life.
I don't condone the killing of innocent civilians, but hey whats a few hundred Palestinian civilians here or there? they are not American or Israeli, after all they are muslim so who cares right?