This months EVO's got Litchfields 395bhp JDM Sti Type 20
12 January 2009, 04:57 PM
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Because torque is what propels you along once moving, BHP is better at getting you off the line. Also, the Scoob has a heavy and mechanically resistant AWD set-up to sap it's power. The proof was in the pudding, on the straight the Scoob stood no chance, but in the twisties the AWD and AST suspension saw it do what it does best.
12 January 2009, 05:04 PM
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Sorry that makes no sense. A 400 bhp Impreza depending on year, invariably will have around 400lb/ft of torque, said AWD losses are overly exagerated IMHO. What kind of Impreza was this, did it have 400bhp, was the 335 standard, define annihilate?
12 January 2009, 05:42 PM
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Watching this vid does nothing to backup your account - mad drivers! The 335i remapped to 370bhp is what I'd expect a 400bhp Impreza to do to a 3.2 M3 and a remapped 335d, now that's annihilation! Watch the whole vid.
YouTube - M3 E36 3.0L vs M3 3.2 vs 335I MRC vs 335D ws² vs CTR 2.2L
YouTube - M3 E36 3.0L vs M3 3.2 vs 335I MRC vs 335D ws² vs CTR 2.2L
12 January 2009, 06:02 PM
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The 335D was standard, collected just 2 days (IIRC) before the WYIOC departed on its pilgrimage to Stelvio. The Scoob in question belongs to Sticky Stuff and has been mod'd over the years by Scoobyclinic to around 390, so not quite 400 (sorry). HERE is the owners take on the events.
12 January 2009, 07:09 PM
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Theoretical scenario.....
On a typical British A-road with a mix of straights and occasional sequences of tight and open bends. If the Scoob was in front it may open up several car lengths through the complex bends, but come the straighter lengths the 335D would easily reel it in, and given enough time before the next corners could feasibly pass it. Reverse the rolls and the Scoob would be hard pushed to pass the 335D safely in tighter bends, then come the straight it would be left wanting as the Beemer pulled away towards the next sequence of bends. Assuming a good, dry surface and drivers of equal ability. Being a bit **** about economy, you could also factor in the time that the Scoob driver will be stationary whilst filling back up after only getting 17mpg whilst pressing on, allowing the 335D to be home and opening a chilled one much sooner
Add a wet road, maybe a B-road and much more serious cornering abilities and the Scoob will dominate.
On a typical British A-road with a mix of straights and occasional sequences of tight and open bends. If the Scoob was in front it may open up several car lengths through the complex bends, but come the straighter lengths the 335D would easily reel it in, and given enough time before the next corners could feasibly pass it. Reverse the rolls and the Scoob would be hard pushed to pass the 335D safely in tighter bends, then come the straight it would be left wanting as the Beemer pulled away towards the next sequence of bends. Assuming a good, dry surface and drivers of equal ability. Being a bit **** about economy, you could also factor in the time that the Scoob driver will be stationary whilst filling back up after only getting 17mpg whilst pressing on, allowing the 335D to be home and opening a chilled one much sooner
Add a wet road, maybe a B-road and much more serious cornering abilities and the Scoob will dominate.
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12 January 2009, 08:09 PM
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Theoretical scenario.....
On a typical British A-road with a mix of straights and occasional sequences of tight and open bends. If the Scoob was in front it may open up several car lengths through the complex bends, but come the straighter lengths the 335D would easily reel it in, and given enough time before the next corners could feasibly pass it. Reverse the rolls and the Scoob would be hard pushed to pass the 335D safely in tighter bends, then come the straight it would be left wanting as the Beemer pulled away towards the next sequence of bends. Assuming a good, dry surface and drivers of equal ability. Being a bit **** about economy, you could also factor in the time that the Scoob driver will be stationary whilst filling back up after only getting 17mpg whilst pressing on, allowing the 335D to be home and opening a chilled one much sooner
Add a wet road, maybe a B-road and much more serious cornering abilities and the Scoob will dominate.
On a typical British A-road with a mix of straights and occasional sequences of tight and open bends. If the Scoob was in front it may open up several car lengths through the complex bends, but come the straighter lengths the 335D would easily reel it in, and given enough time before the next corners could feasibly pass it. Reverse the rolls and the Scoob would be hard pushed to pass the 335D safely in tighter bends, then come the straight it would be left wanting as the Beemer pulled away towards the next sequence of bends. Assuming a good, dry surface and drivers of equal ability. Being a bit **** about economy, you could also factor in the time that the Scoob driver will be stationary whilst filling back up after only getting 17mpg whilst pressing on, allowing the 335D to be home and opening a chilled one much sooner
Add a wet road, maybe a B-road and much more serious cornering abilities and the Scoob will dominate.
For you to say 'easily reel it in' would mean that the Beemer would have to be accelerating at a rate of around 1.5 - 2 x that of the Scoob.
12 January 2009, 08:17 PM
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Well judging the fact that the 340bhp 335d in that vid was around even with the E36 M3, I'd say a true 360+bhp scoob would take it. In my 370/390 Impreza, I'd expect to pull away at the rate shown by the remapped 335i.
12 January 2009, 08:23 PM
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Anyway, this is a debate that could rage on forever in a day.
It's horses for courses I say.
The only time I'll be impressed is when I hear of a 335D putting in a sub 8 min lap around the 'Ring.
12 January 2009, 10:25 PM
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it was tricky but recently i reeled in an rs4 at 130 mph in my rb320
great tussle!
ahead of me most of the time but i guess power to weight dominated in the end
seemed to be quicker on short bursts but unexpectedly i had longer legs in the end
not much it in mind you
great tussle!
ahead of me most of the time but i guess power to weight dominated in the end
seemed to be quicker on short bursts but unexpectedly i had longer legs in the end
not much it in mind you
12 January 2009, 10:30 PM
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he let you past mate!!
12 January 2009, 10:52 PM
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These cars are rapid and regardless of what you may think about the image, there is nowt that will touch it in the 4 door saloon class for the money.... BRAND NEW.
Anyone that knows anything about a Litchfield special, knows only too well that these types of car are a complete package. This is not some cobbled together boy racer rep, it comes complete with warranty and everything else you would expect with a new car.
If you want the best new impreza, this is the baby!
Anyone that knows anything about a Litchfield special, knows only too well that these types of car are a complete package. This is not some cobbled together boy racer rep, it comes complete with warranty and everything else you would expect with a new car.
If you want the best new impreza, this is the baby!
13 January 2009, 11:14 AM
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Sounds as though some of us have radically differing priorities...
What possible reason could I have for caring whether a car is 'exclusive' or not? I care about whether it's reliable, fun to drive and cost-effectiv. If other people feel the same way about a car and also choose the same one, how does that in any way affect my experience?
Can't believe you're suggesting that an RS4 is more of a '***** car' than an Impreza BTW, someone's been watching too much Top Gear...
What possible reason could I have for caring whether a car is 'exclusive' or not? I care about whether it's reliable, fun to drive and cost-effectiv. If other people feel the same way about a car and also choose the same one, how does that in any way affect my experience?
Can't believe you're suggesting that an RS4 is more of a '***** car' than an Impreza BTW, someone's been watching too much Top Gear...
14 January 2009, 11:38 PM
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Another write up here. MY08 Type 20 v Evo 6 TME v Audi Quattro 20v
Driver's Republic - Super Specials 034
Driver's Republic - Super Specials 034
15 January 2009, 08:43 AM
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Great link & article Robocop
Drivers Republic is excellent, are'nt they the breakway group from EVO magazine?
ps a bit strange they tested the Makinen with an engine from a Evo 8 MR, producing 382bhp!
Drivers Republic is excellent, are'nt they the breakway group from EVO magazine?
ps a bit strange they tested the Makinen with an engine from a Evo 8 MR, producing 382bhp!
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15 January 2009, 11:14 AM
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is 37k for a Impreza is just to expensive. I have no doubt that the car is very good and I have a great deal of respect for what Litchfields do but I'm afraid that much money plus the fact that I cannot stand the look of the new model leaves it dead to me however good it is.
16 January 2009, 02:37 PM
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Another write up here. MY08 Type 20 v Evo 6 TME v Audi Quattro 20v
Driver's Republic - Super Specials 034
Driver's Republic - Super Specials 034
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16 January 2009, 07:10 PM
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is 37k for a Impreza is just to expensive. I have no doubt that the car is very good and I have a great deal of respect for what Litchfields do but I'm afraid that much money plus the fact that I cannot stand the look of the new model leaves it dead to me however good it is.
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03 May 2009, 08:52 PM
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Them little lights are worth their weight... trust me. They can also be turned off.
03 May 2009, 09:13 PM
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to be honest ill be buying a hatch sti in the future, i think they look good and after driving one i was quite impressed. i hate bmw's with a vengence so i dont see anything else i might get.
10 May 2009, 03:08 PM
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Quick question guys how much was your sti new ? my scooby was £30000 so an extra £7000 for 100 hp extra and all the extras is good value imho
Is the type 20 a spec c then litchfield do there stuff ? so it is light to start with
I cant believe some people like a diesel bmw more than a scooby ? If i had a diesel id think the turbo had blown everytime i put my foot down, the crap they kick out !
This is scoobynet int it ???
Is the type 20 a spec c then litchfield do there stuff ? so it is light to start with
I cant believe some people like a diesel bmw more than a scooby ? If i had a diesel id think the turbo had blown everytime i put my foot down, the crap they kick out !
This is scoobynet int it ???
10 May 2009, 03:42 PM
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why would you compare chalk and cheese totally different cars for totally different purposes hence why bmw made the m3 they wouldnt bother if the 335d was so amazing they are probably a fantastic drive a pull amazingly even my dads focus turbo diesel shocked and impressed me.But my experiences havent been good with bmw and i think the looks date quickly,before anyone says it yeah the impreza has dated to but its an iconic car for many reasons.Audi same sort of boat for me again fantasic cars but wouldnt look at buying one under 45k really and even then there are other cars to be seriously considered before buying a doctors car.