Has Obama made a huge mistake on his first day?
24 January 2009, 10:37 PM
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torture and imprisonment wihtout trial or any basic human rights? Glad he is putting an end to it. U cant try and impose democracy and defend human rights whilst committing terrible offences yourself.
We need a change in the way these issue are dealt with and Obama has made a bold step in the right direction.
We need a change in the way these issue are dealt with and Obama has made a bold step in the right direction.
25 January 2009, 10:43 AM
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I think that Guantanamo is an evil blot on USA history. No country should be able to use that situation to enable their officers to commit torture and certainly not to imprison anyone without a fair trial. Our country is at fault by allowing rendition through our land by the USA as well.
There is a sacred law about having to be proved guilty. If it is not possible to do that then a man should not be imprisoned for suspicion alone. If that principle is allowed to go by the board then we are building up deep trouble for ourselves in the future.
The prisoners there should be given a fair trial and their treatment should be based on the results of that. The prison camp should be destroyed.
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There is a sacred law about having to be proved guilty. If it is not possible to do that then a man should not be imprisoned for suspicion alone. If that principle is allowed to go by the board then we are building up deep trouble for ourselves in the future.
The prisoners there should be given a fair trial and their treatment should be based on the results of that. The prison camp should be destroyed.
Les
25 January 2009, 11:11 AM
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There is a sacred law about having to be proved guilty. If it is not possible to do that then a man should not be imprisoned for suspicion alone.
I'm glad to see a mix of opinions on here without the usual Snet infighting. I do believe Obama has made a mistake with this policy but i'll gladly be proven wrong and hope that I am.
25 January 2009, 12:40 PM
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Not in this country , you can be imprisoned on remand for any number of offences awaiting trial if you are suspected of being guilty. Granted the evidence presented to put you there must be quite strong but people are still jailed before being proven guilty.
I'm glad to see a mix of opinions on here without the usual Snet infighting. I do believe Obama has made a mistake with this policy but i'll gladly be proven wrong and hope that I am.
I'm glad to see a mix of opinions on here without the usual Snet infighting. I do believe Obama has made a mistake with this policy but i'll gladly be proven wrong and hope that I am.
26 January 2009, 11:03 AM
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Not in this country , you can be imprisoned on remand for any number of offences awaiting trial if you are suspected of being guilty. Granted the evidence presented to put you there must be quite strong but people are still jailed before being proven guilty.
I'm glad to see a mix of opinions on here without the usual Snet infighting. I do believe Obama has made a mistake with this policy but i'll gladly be proven wrong and hope that I am.
I'm glad to see a mix of opinions on here without the usual Snet infighting. I do believe Obama has made a mistake with this policy but i'll gladly be proven wrong and hope that I am.
Les
26 January 2009, 11:42 AM
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Well said mate.
Can I suggest the guy you refer to reads Obama's book - 'The Audacity of Hope'? Even if you cant think it yourself, maybe you can pick up on the bigger, better, long-term picture - as elucidated by a balanced and travelled person who is far brighter and worldlywise than many of us here put together????
Just a thought as hate only breeds hate (and 'The West' has actually been out of line for many a century...). In fact, we actually invented slaves, imperialism, and colonialism...the others are merely impersonators
Step back...
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Can I suggest the guy you refer to reads Obama's book - 'The Audacity of Hope'? Even if you cant think it yourself, maybe you can pick up on the bigger, better, long-term picture - as elucidated by a balanced and travelled person who is far brighter and worldlywise than many of us here put together????
Just a thought as hate only breeds hate (and 'The West' has actually been out of line for many a century...). In fact, we actually invented slaves, imperialism, and colonialism...the others are merely impersonators
Step back...
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27 January 2009, 06:08 AM
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An attack carried out almost entirely by Saudis. So why didn't we invade them? Of course, part of the reason Al Quaeda hate the US is because it considers the US to have occupied Saudi Arabia. The Taliban support terrorists? True - but not as much as Syria, and we didn't invade them either.
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27 January 2009, 12:49 PM
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I dispare sometimes -- are people in this country really unaware of the carnage that is going on in our name
the 100's and 100's of innocent people killed in Air and Missile strikes
but according to some posters "rag head" = guilty = death
its a view I suppose, just one that belongs in the dark ages
the 100's and 100's of innocent people killed in Air and Missile strikes
but according to some posters "rag head" = guilty = death
its a view I suppose, just one that belongs in the dark ages
tbh i think your the one who's unaware, considering someone very close to him has come under fire whilst out there and i blieve is still there.
its very easy to judge whats going on thousands of miles away in your nice cozy room typing on your very safe keyboard.
very few people actually know, they see press reports and form an opinion, press reports are extreamly biast one way or the other.
27 January 2009, 02:18 PM
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tbh i think your the one who's unaware, considering someone very close to him has come under fire whilst out there and i blieve is still there.
its very easy to judge whats going on thousands of miles away in your nice cozy room typing on your very safe keyboard.
very few people actually know, they see press reports and form an opinion, press reports are extreamly biast one way or the other.
its very easy to judge whats going on thousands of miles away in your nice cozy room typing on your very safe keyboard.
very few people actually know, they see press reports and form an opinion, press reports are extreamly biast one way or the other.
but I am also fully aware of the terrible death toll on innocent civillians -- not just me either, even the British Army recoginise that Air Strikes, often killing women and children are not the way forward
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