BBC - so much for impartiality
25 January 2009, 12:00 AM
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the fact is the Isreali,s have slaughtered 100's on innocent children, using chemical weapons to target them
"At least three white phosphorus shells hit the UN compound, where 700 civilians fleeing the fighting were sheltering, wounding three staff members and producing clouds of black smoke.
Israel issued a rapid apology for the strike, saying it was a "grave mistake", as UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon spoke of his outrage at the attack."
it just the facts -- you might not like it, but there it is israel using chemical weapons against civilians
the fact is the Isreali,s have slaughtered 100's on innocent children, using chemical weapons to target them
"At least three white phosphorus shells hit the UN compound, where 700 civilians fleeing the fighting were sheltering, wounding three staff members and producing clouds of black smoke.
Israel issued a rapid apology for the strike, saying it was a "grave mistake", as UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon spoke of his outrage at the attack."
it just the facts -- you might not like it, but there it is israel using chemical weapons against civilians
25 January 2009, 12:00 AM
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You really think that 
You must live in a parallel universe to me.
Look we aren't going to see eye to eye on this. You convenienlty forget the odd Israeli trotting out the 'one Jew is worth thousand Arabs' mantra as well as forgetting all the little Isareli indiscretions I pointed out.
Most of all though I think you have no comprehension of how desperate the average Palestinian's life is and has been for many years. So desperate that to many of them even putting a terrorist organisation in power can seem like a good idea. Sorry, but that is the way it is in Gaza.
You must live in a parallel universe to me.Look we aren't going to see eye to eye on this. You convenienlty forget the odd Israeli trotting out the 'one Jew is worth thousand Arabs' mantra as well as forgetting all the little Isareli indiscretions I pointed out.
Most of all though I think you have no comprehension of how desperate the average Palestinian's life is and has been for many years. So desperate that to many of them even putting a terrorist organisation in power can seem like a good idea. Sorry, but that is the way it is in Gaza.
It is indeed good to see you have taken the time to bump into the "odd Israeli", and had time for a chat.
I personally am very grateful for the enlightenment you provide on this seemingly complex issue.
I understand that the last few weeks have been a "great victory for Hamas".
What is your view on this point?
I am also curious as to how many "victories for Hamas" you think the Gazan civilian population can take?
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25 January 2009, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
the fact is the Isreali,s have slaughtered 100's on innocent children, using chemical weapons to target them
"At least three white phosphorus shells hit the UN compound, where 700 civilians fleeing the fighting were sheltering, wounding three staff members and producing clouds of black smoke.
Israel issued a rapid apology for the strike, saying it was a "grave mistake", as UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon spoke of his outrage at the attack."
it just the facts -- you might not like it, but there it is israel using chemical weapons against civilians
the fact is the Isreali,s have slaughtered 100's on innocent children, using chemical weapons to target them
"At least three white phosphorus shells hit the UN compound, where 700 civilians fleeing the fighting were sheltering, wounding three staff members and producing clouds of black smoke.
Israel issued a rapid apology for the strike, saying it was a "grave mistake", as UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon spoke of his outrage at the attack."
it just the facts -- you might not like it, but there it is israel using chemical weapons against civilians
My mistake
25 January 2009, 12:07 AM
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I respect the BBC's decision. Hard for you to believe since alot of you think the BBC is just the government propaganda machine, but it's a highly respected news service throughout the world. If many other channels are already running the Gaza pledge then why does it matter if the BBC do not.
I think alot of you underestimate how important it is for a news service to appear impartial, especially one with the reputation it has.
I think alot of you underestimate how important it is for a news service to appear impartial, especially one with the reputation it has.
TBH I don't really care either way. I'd like to see that region peaceful. But it's never going to happen. Arabs hate Jews. Jews hate Arabs. And so on and son on. Do you think if Israel poured even MORE money into helping the people of Gaza (and they do because they send medical staff) do you really forsee the suicide bombings or the hostility ending?
Here's a vid I saw the other day. Sums it up to me. Even when the Israelis help. They still get attacked. They simply can't win. And the cycle will continue forever.
Warzone Hospital // Current
25 January 2009, 12:20 AM
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I can see that you have spent more time in Gaza than many of us here.
It is indeed good to see you have taken the time to bump into the "odd Israeli", and had time for a chat.
I personally am very grateful for the enlightenment you provide on this seemingly complex issue.
I understand that the last few weeks have been a "great victory for Hamas".
What is your view on this point?
I am also curious as to how many "victories for Hamas" you think the Gazan civilian population can take?
It is indeed good to see you have taken the time to bump into the "odd Israeli", and had time for a chat.
I personally am very grateful for the enlightenment you provide on this seemingly complex issue.
I understand that the last few weeks have been a "great victory for Hamas".
What is your view on this point?
I am also curious as to how many "victories for Hamas" you think the Gazan civilian population can take?
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25 January 2009, 12:29 AM
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TBH I don't really care either way. I'd like to see that region peaceful. But it's never going to happen. Arabs hate Jews. Jews hate Arabs. And so on and son on. Do you think if Israel poured even MORE money into helping the people of Gaza (and they do because they send medical staff) do you really forsee the suicide bombings or the hostility ending?
Here's a vid I saw the other day. Sums it up to me. Even when the Israelis help. They still get attacked. They simply can't win. And the cycle will continue forever.
Warzone Hospital // Current
Here's a vid I saw the other day. Sums it up to me. Even when the Israelis help. They still get attacked. They simply can't win. And the cycle will continue forever.
Warzone Hospital // Current
I watched the vid in full. Great to see. If only the majority of Israelis with bombs had the compassion of the Israeli minority with scalpels...
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25 January 2009, 10:00 AM
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I can see that you have spent more time in Gaza than many of us here.
It is indeed good to see you have taken the time to bump into the "odd Israeli", and had time for a chat.
I personally am very grateful for the enlightenment you provide on this seemingly complex issue.
I understand that the last few weeks have been a "great victory for Hamas".
What is your view on this point?
I am also curious as to how many "victories for Hamas" you think the Gazan civilian population can take?
It is indeed good to see you have taken the time to bump into the "odd Israeli", and had time for a chat.
I personally am very grateful for the enlightenment you provide on this seemingly complex issue.
I understand that the last few weeks have been a "great victory for Hamas".
What is your view on this point?
I am also curious as to how many "victories for Hamas" you think the Gazan civilian population can take?
As for your reply just open your eyes for goodness sake.
You don't have to spend time in Gaza to see what is happening, you can get plenty of information from a variety of sources, some in one camp and some in the other and just take a view. My view after doing that over many years is as stated. If you don;t like it then that's fine, but I won;t be changing my opinion any tiem soom.
My point of the topic was, however, not to get involved in another Middle East conflict discussion but to point out that the BBC should be happy to back a humanitarian appeal. The fact that they aren't and are funded by taxation does not sit well with me. If they are pro-Israel then that is fine as long as I am not helping to fund them!!!
25 January 2009, 10:13 AM
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According to the BBC...
Since 2001, when the rockets were first fired, more than 8,600 have hit southern Israel, nearly 6,000 of them since Israel withdrew from Gaza in August 2005.
Even taking the figures since Israel withdrew, it is still only 6000/(3.5*365) = 4.7 per day!!
Your figures are out by a factor of ten!
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25 January 2009, 04:06 PM
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Hammas are a party dedicated to the destruction of the state of Isreal.
The people of palestine vote in Hammas.
Hammas start firing missiles into Isreal.
Isreal fights back.
Isreal are now the bad guys !
Golda Myer said When the Palestinian people love their children more than they hate the Jews then there will be peace !
The BBC are right, This situation could have been avoided, I am quite sure if there was a natural occurance flood/drought then they should join in and help.
The people of palestine vote in Hammas.
Hammas start firing missiles into Isreal.
Isreal fights back.
Isreal are now the bad guys !
Golda Myer said When the Palestinian people love their children more than they hate the Jews then there will be peace !
The BBC are right, This situation could have been avoided, I am quite sure if there was a natural occurance flood/drought then they should join in and help.
I am offended that someone has filmed this campaign and I am offended that some tv networks have agreed to show it. Add to that that I am offended that people are offended that BBC have done the right thing and you could say I am offended...
25 January 2009, 07:07 PM
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scoobynet is full of thick uneducated narrow minded chavs who will never achieve anything in life, who just love to hate and discriminate in such a sly way, you will have better luck trying to educate a donkey
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25 January 2009, 07:11 PM
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sorry it must be hard defending what the Israelis do in the occupied territories but evidence of isreali snipers shooting children is so widepread and documented
maybe not all the 300 odd children were killed by Israeli fire, maybe Hamas used some them as shields, maybe some of them shot each other playing with all the guns lying about
25 January 2009, 09:18 PM
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Gaza War, watch the brave israeli snipers, targets 4 kids, what if they were your kids?? - AOL Video
sorry it must be hard defending what the Israelis do in the occupied territories but evidence of isreali snipers shooting children is so widepread and documented
maybe not all the 300 odd children were killed by Israeli fire, maybe Hamas used some them as shields, maybe some of them shot each other playing with all the guns lying about
sorry it must be hard defending what the Israelis do in the occupied territories but evidence of isreali snipers shooting children is so widepread and documented
maybe not all the 300 odd children were killed by Israeli fire, maybe Hamas used some them as shields, maybe some of them shot each other playing with all the guns lying about
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25 January 2009, 10:42 PM
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www.whatreallyhappened.com - enough links there to answer most of the posts - no to go back on topic, the actions of the BBC are not impartial, far from that.
They have blatantly shown which side they are on and not offered a valid explanation which is half the problem (wait that sounds very fimiliar).
They have blatantly shown which side they are on and not offered a valid explanation which is half the problem (wait that sounds very fimiliar).
26 January 2009, 08:02 AM
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Back on post.
It doesn't really matter that whether the BBC are biased one way or the other.
The key thing is that the BBC wish to be seen as impartial.
The charity has got loads of free advertising for them.
Where the money will end up is another matter.
As many know, a large amount of Hamas's work is in social, welfare, cultural, and educational activities. I believe, this includes school and hospital construction.
This may be a stumbling block for some who think about what they can do in order to help Gazans.
It doesn't really matter that whether the BBC are biased one way or the other.
The key thing is that the BBC wish to be seen as impartial.
The charity has got loads of free advertising
for them.Where the money will end up is another matter.
As many know, a large amount of Hamas's work is in social, welfare, cultural, and educational activities. I believe, this includes school and hospital construction.
This may be a stumbling block for some who think about what they can do in order to help Gazans.
26 January 2009, 08:14 AM
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Gaza War, watch the brave israeli snipers, targets 4 kids, what if they were your kids?? - AOL Video
sorry it must be hard defending what the Israelis do in the occupied territories but evidence of isreali snipers shooting children is so widepread and documented
maybe not all the 300 odd children were killed by Israeli fire, maybe Hamas used some them as shields, maybe some of them shot each other playing with all the guns lying about
sorry it must be hard defending what the Israelis do in the occupied territories but evidence of isreali snipers shooting children is so widepread and documented
maybe not all the 300 odd children were killed by Israeli fire, maybe Hamas used some them as shields, maybe some of them shot each other playing with all the guns lying about
You would either have to see what happened or assume.
F*cking tragic all the same.
26 January 2009, 08:53 AM
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www.whatreallyhappened.com - enough links there to answer most of the posts - no to go back on topic, the actions of the BBC are not impartial, far from that.
They have blatantly shown which side they are on and not offered a valid explanation which is half the problem (wait that sounds very fimiliar).
They have blatantly shown which side they are on and not offered a valid explanation which is half the problem (wait that sounds very fimiliar).
I just don't get it. 30" of airtime for a 'commercial' is NOT the same as integrated editorial, opinion or comment. It wouldn't even be IN their news programme, it would be OUTSIDE of it....
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26 January 2009, 09:26 AM
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I couldnt agree more. I was hoping there would be a post in here that showed some level of sanity and here it is.
I am offended that someone has filmed this campaign and I am offended that some tv networks have agreed to show it. Add to that that I am offended that people are offended that BBC have done the right thing and you could say I am offended...
I am offended that someone has filmed this campaign and I am offended that some tv networks have agreed to show it. Add to that that I am offended that people are offended that BBC have done the right thing and you could say I am offended...
And why do you think Hamas was created in the first place? Why do you think Palestinians have such a hatred of Israel?I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that Israel has continually land grabbed from its creation, murdered and displaced Palestinians from their own homes to expand the boundaries of Israel? As I mentioned previously if someone came to where I lived and invaded and started murdering and taking over the land where I lived I would do exactly the same as the Palestinians, fight with everything I had.
Sick of hearing how people think the Israelis are the innocent party as they plainly haven't got a clue what they are talking about.
Oh and as for impartiality how many times did the BBC show interviews with the Israeli spokesman Mark Regev and allow him to spurt his propaganda and how many times did they have a Palestinian spokesman on in comparison?
And for Sky News, Murdoch risk upsetting the Yanks? Risk Fox News? Never so no surprises there
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26 January 2009, 10:43 AM
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And why do you think Hamas was created in the first place? Why do you think Palestinians have such a hatred of Israel?I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that Israel has continually land grabbed from its creation, murdered and displaced Palestinians from their own homes to expand the boundaries of Israel? As I mentioned previously if someone came to where I lived and invaded and started murdering and taking over the land where I lived I would do exactly the same as the Palestinians, fight with everything I had.
Sick of hearing how people think the Israelis are the innocent party as they plainly haven't got a clue what they are talking about.
Oh and as for impartiality how many times did the BBC show interviews with the Israeli spokesman Mark Regev and allow him to spurt his propaganda and how many times did they have a Palestinian spokesman on in comparison?
And for Sky News, Murdoch risk upsetting the Yanks? Risk Fox News? Never so no surprises there
26 January 2009, 11:10 AM
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Your post has you coming across as (to use you own words) an uneducated donkey.
Whilst your blood may be boiling at some of the comments, why not counter them with something a little better thought out
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26 January 2009, 11:12 AM
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And why do you think Hamas was created in the first place? Why do you think Palestinians have such a hatred of Israel?I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that Israel has continually land grabbed from its creation, murdered and displaced Palestinians from their own homes to expand the boundaries of Israel? As I mentioned previously if someone came to where I lived and invaded and started murdering and taking over the land where I lived I would do exactly the same as the Palestinians, fight with everything I had.
Sick of hearing how people think the Israelis are the innocent party as they plainly haven't got a clue what they are talking about.
Oh and as for impartiality how many times did the BBC show interviews with the Israeli spokesman Mark Regev and allow him to spurt his propaganda and how many times did they have a Palestinian spokesman on in comparison?
And for Sky News, Murdoch risk upsetting the Yanks? Risk Fox News? Never so no surprises there
But how to stop the killing and sort this mess out once and for all???
26 January 2009, 11:32 AM
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The first step is the International community forcing Israel to stop land grabbing. The next step is to force Israel to give back some of it's land grab and go back to the borders it was supposed to have, not the ones it feels like having.
26 January 2009, 12:33 PM
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If I was the Israeli PM...... I would simply ask Hamas what they wanted, reach angreement and then tell them that if one more rocket enters any part of Israel that I would simply destroy them all.
26 January 2009, 12:36 PM
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Hamas as I understand have already laid out what they want which is the cessation of extending Israel's borders and moving back the existing borders from recent land grabbing to what they were at a previous date (don't know what this date is). Guess what though Israel wont stop land grabbing and they won't move their borders back so who are the ones causing the issues now? I wonder
26 January 2009, 12:48 PM
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I can understand why Hamas is p%ssed off. But surely, they must have realised that constantly firing rockets at Israel was eventually going to have consequencses. 
Why did they never appeal to the UN or infact the world about the 'land-grabbing'. To my understanding, they have never done so. They were happy enough just flinging crued rockets that no target.
What I do understand though is that this war has been going on for thousands of years with no end ever in sight. How can you expect an age old hatrid between two nations to end because we say so?
Why did they never appeal to the UN or infact the world about the 'land-grabbing'. To my understanding, they have never done so. They were happy enough just flinging crued rockets that no target. What I do understand though is that this war has been going on for thousands of years with no end ever in sight. How can you expect an age old hatrid between two nations to end because we say so?
26 January 2009, 12:59 PM
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I can understand why Hamas is p%ssed off. But surely, they must have realised that constantly firing rockets at Israel was eventually going to have consequencses. Why did they never appeal to the UN or infact the world about the 'land-grabbing'. To my understanding, they have never done so. They were happy enough just flinging crued rockets that no target.
What I do understand though is that this war has been going on for thousands of years with no end ever in sight. How can you expect an age old hatrid between two nations to end because we say so?
Why did they never appeal to the UN or infact the world about the 'land-grabbing'. To my understanding, they have never done so. They were happy enough just flinging crued rockets that no target. What I do understand though is that this war has been going on for thousands of years with no end ever in sight. How can you expect an age old hatrid between two nations to end because we say so?
I think you'll find that they did appeal over and over and the UN and Western nations stood by and let it carry on. The Western governments and to a certain extent the UN are pretty much pro-Israel.
As I said before those in Hamas didn't wake up one morning and just decide to be terrorists, they have been driven to it. The Palestinian people electing Hamas probably did so as they had nothing else left to vote for. When your homeland has been continually stolen, destroyed and you are starved of life's basics by the action of another nation I guess you maybe just lose a bit of perspective on the whole 'Hamas are nasty terrorists' issue
26 January 2009, 01:40 PM
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And your post is helpful and constructive in what ways exactly? - why not add to this thread with some constructive criticism and arguments.
Your post has you coming across as (to use you own words) an uneducated donkey.
Whilst your blood may be boiling at some of the comments, why not counter them with something a little better thought out
Your post has you coming across as (to use you own words) an uneducated donkey.
Whilst your blood may be boiling at some of the comments, why not counter them with something a little better thought out
its pointless as some people are very narrow minded
26 January 2009, 02:49 PM
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