Getting into IT as a career
10 May 2009, 11:56 PM
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11 May 2009, 12:07 AM
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tony yor quite right they are first to go
my cousins are signed up with agencies and there getting offers every other week
even if they get kicked out and dont work for a few months its still well worth it considering what companies pay
one of my mates contract finished it took him 2 weeks to find a new contract
my cousins are signed up with agencies and there getting offers every other week
even if they get kicked out and dont work for a few months its still well worth it considering what companies pay
one of my mates contract finished it took him 2 weeks to find a new contract
Benefits of contracting:- more money (thats it)
Disadvantages of contracting:- unable to get a mortgage, no pension, no unemployment benefit (nothing from the state basically) no financial security, no union support, no holiday pay (its a long list, I could fill half a page with the disadvantages as I use to contract).
It looks good, its not really.
To the OP, it will be very hard to find a good permenant position with decent money, especially where you are, most of the big jobs are in the cities (london mainly) so you will need to think hard about what your after and where you want to go with this career
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11 May 2009, 08:12 PM
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i did my CCNA and CCNP about 6 years ago now -- but cisco are pretty strict about re-certifying, if you dont, you loose the qualification full stop
but as IT qualifications go they are quite well respected
but as IT qualifications go they are quite well respected
12 May 2009, 07:58 AM
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I've done the CCNA course just to backup some extra skills but I doubt your friend got a £350 per day off the back of the course alone.
It's a hard course but I can't imagine anyone walking out of the course and straight into a job, it gives you the fundamentals but it does not prepare you for real world scenarios.
Fair play to him though, if he can do it why the hell not
Darren
It's a hard course but I can't imagine anyone walking out of the course and straight into a job, it gives you the fundamentals but it does not prepare you for real world scenarios.
Fair play to him though, if he can do it why the hell not
Darren
12 May 2009, 03:42 PM
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dont do the 1 week course where you learn just what you need to know to pass then forget it all a week later.
guy next to me did that and can barely explain the different between network devices or ip addressing.
guy next to me did that and can barely explain the different between network devices or ip addressing.
12 May 2009, 04:08 PM
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I've done the CCNA course just to backup some extra skills but I doubt your friend got a £350 per day off the back of the course alone.
It's a hard course but I can't imagine anyone walking out of the course and straight into a job, it gives you the fundamentals but it does not prepare you for real world scenarios.
Fair play to him though, if he can do it why the hell not
Darren
It's a hard course but I can't imagine anyone walking out of the course and straight into a job, it gives you the fundamentals but it does not prepare you for real world scenarios.
Fair play to him though, if he can do it why the hell not
Darren
He worked in one of the customer facing departments for an ISP and was on 18k .. based on his interview he secured the job... his interview was passed because he did the course .. he didnt do the exam .. so yeah, he got the job because he did the course !
12 May 2009, 04:12 PM
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I presume you mean he was on 18k before this job interview?
£350 a day makes his salary somewhere close to £90,000 a year. Hard to believe you can get that sort of money from solely doing (and not passing) one course...
£350 a day makes his salary somewhere close to £90,000 a year. Hard to believe you can get that sort of money from solely doing (and not passing) one course...
18 May 2009, 04:10 PM
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One other consideration you need to make if going permie is IT as a service role or IT as a provider role. By this I mean, working in a IT role as a support service for a company who's core business is not IT - say, NatWest or working for for a company who are a provider of IT services to other companies such as Accenture.
I work for one of the later, albeit not in an IT role these days (Thank God!). Many of the roles that can be "black-boxed": like development, testing, helpdesk, etc. have been offshored where we can throw large numbers of people at the same task for a fraction of the price.
If you choose to jump, be careful not to jump into an area that is on its way overseas!
I work for one of the later, albeit not in an IT role these days (Thank God!). Many of the roles that can be "black-boxed": like development, testing, helpdesk, etc. have been offshored where we can throw large numbers of people at the same task for a fraction of the price.
If you choose to jump, be careful not to jump into an area that is on its way overseas!
18 May 2009, 10:09 PM
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To be fair to all the arguements, there isn't really a "secure" side to any of IT now, the way things are going the only people that will have a job in IT are those that work for datacenters hosting other peoples IT equipment.
Alot of companies seem to be outsourcing all of their IT, have jeff all equipment on site as it all sits in a datacenter that someone else looks after... out of sight out of mind... And now the next Fad has come along it's even less likely that companies will be taking on real experienced and knowledgable people in the medium term
By the next Fad I mean the whole "cloud" business.... the world where everyone has everything they desire but in reality owns nothing, it's still a little way off because the standards etc haven't been laid down by the powers that be and there's a whole load of gumpf about data security storing data cross border etc but when it does take off I suspect there will be a huge rush to buy it to by none technical CIO's putting even the most skilled IT technician out of business!
IT is not the best profesion to be in mate, most qualifications count for jack now and experience is the big winner, anyone can get an MCSE if they sit down and read a book but that doesn't make them good at their job, it just means they know one way of doing something and that isn't often the best way to do it LOL
Of all the IT guys on here, who actually chose IT as their first job?? At least a dozen of my mates that are in IT didn't have IT as their first choice, you just kinda fall in to it when all your other dreams are smashed.
Alot of companies seem to be outsourcing all of their IT, have jeff all equipment on site as it all sits in a datacenter that someone else looks after... out of sight out of mind... And now the next Fad has come along it's even less likely that companies will be taking on real experienced and knowledgable people in the medium term
By the next Fad I mean the whole "cloud" business.... the world where everyone has everything they desire but in reality owns nothing, it's still a little way off because the standards etc haven't been laid down by the powers that be and there's a whole load of gumpf about data security storing data cross border etc but when it does take off I suspect there will be a huge rush to buy it to by none technical CIO's putting even the most skilled IT technician out of business!
IT is not the best profesion to be in mate, most qualifications count for jack now and experience is the big winner, anyone can get an MCSE if they sit down and read a book but that doesn't make them good at their job, it just means they know one way of doing something and that isn't often the best way to do it LOL
Of all the IT guys on here, who actually chose IT as their first job?? At least a dozen of my mates that are in IT didn't have IT as their first choice, you just kinda fall in to it when all your other dreams are smashed.
19 May 2009, 02:00 PM
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You can make money in IT but I really hope my son never goes into it, I find it's not very satisfying as a career.
19 May 2009, 02:02 PM
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And these days it's not about tech skills - you can pick those up quickly and/or Google it. And the Indians will always do it cheaper so you need to get business facing roles.
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19 May 2009, 05:34 PM
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The industry is littered with people like that, some are good, some are bad. Usually if someone is smart enough to learn the technology and can apply it there is no problem. Unfortunately there also seem to be too many who blag their way in.
And these days it's not about tech skills - you can pick those up quickly and/or Google it. And the Indians will always do it cheaper so you need to get business facing roles.
And these days it's not about tech skills - you can pick those up quickly and/or Google it. And the Indians will always do it cheaper so you need to get business facing roles.
Sounds about right.
IT covers so much now, its not just about fixing and building PC .. I'm still waiting to move to my new role.. went there today (on paternity btw) to show dedication ...
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