Gordon Brown: 'Judge me on the year ahead'
01 February 2009, 11:02 PM
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That's a valid point and a young view I would imagine?
You must be younger than about 30 then ........ ??
Anyone who lived through the pain, the riots, the decemation, the economic collapse, the huge inflation, the massive unemployment, the greed and sleaze of the Tory Government would ever, ever, vote them in again .....
You must be younger than about 30 then ........ ??
Anyone who lived through the pain, the riots, the decemation, the economic collapse, the huge inflation, the massive unemployment, the greed and sleaze of the Tory Government would ever, ever, vote them in again .....
01 February 2009, 11:07 PM
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Is this your usual special way of not answering the question???
And is this because you don't like the answer you'd have to give, or because you don't know the answer??
01 February 2009, 11:19 PM
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That's a good point - and well put.
Which do you think it is?? I just can't decide.
Is it because you wouldn't like the answer I would give, or I would need to work it out first?How about I delegate the responsibility for that decision to you? It's late and it looks like a sh*t storm tomorrow morning for me at least
02 February 2009, 01:41 AM
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How will things be different under the Tories (assuming they are the only other party likely to get elected)? I am dying to know as Cameron sure ain't for telling me!
02 February 2009, 03:12 PM
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Am I reading this right? 
Are we REALLY saying, that yes, Labour have had 12 years to sort out the Tory mess, have got us into the worst mess this country has possibly EVER seen, but hey, we'll have them back because we are scared of what those nasty old Tories did under Maggie?
Come ON guys, even the most rabid labour supporter has to have enough nows to see that we NEED A CHANGE.
Labour has fukced up, bigtime, get them out NOW!
The Tories may not be a lot, or even ANY better, but why allow this lying, snivelling, cheating, underhand bunch to carry on lining THEIR, and their supporters' pockets, with OUR DOSH????????
GET THEM GONE!
Are we REALLY saying, that yes, Labour have had 12 years to sort out the Tory mess, have got us into the worst mess this country has possibly EVER seen, but hey, we'll have them back because we are scared of what those nasty old Tories did under Maggie?
Come ON guys, even the most rabid labour supporter has to have enough nows to see that we NEED A CHANGE.
Labour has fukced up, bigtime, get them out NOW!
The Tories may not be a lot, or even ANY better, but why allow this lying, snivelling, cheating, underhand bunch to carry on lining THEIR, and their supporters' pockets, with OUR DOSH????????
GET THEM GONE!
02 February 2009, 04:54 PM
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Am I reading this right?
Are we REALLY saying, that yes, Labour have had 12 years to sort out the Tory mess, have got us into the worst mess this country has possibly EVER seen, but hey, we'll have them back because we are scared of what those nasty old Tories did under Maggie?
Come ON guys, even the most rabid labour supporter has to have enough nows to see that we NEED A CHANGE.
Labour has fukced up, bigtime, get them out NOW!
The Tories may not be a lot, or even ANY better, but why allow this lying, snivelling, cheating, underhand bunch to carry on lining THEIR, and their supporters' pockets, with OUR DOSH????????
GET THEM GONE!
Are we REALLY saying, that yes, Labour have had 12 years to sort out the Tory mess, have got us into the worst mess this country has possibly EVER seen, but hey, we'll have them back because we are scared of what those nasty old Tories did under Maggie?
Come ON guys, even the most rabid labour supporter has to have enough nows to see that we NEED A CHANGE.
Labour has fukced up, bigtime, get them out NOW!
The Tories may not be a lot, or even ANY better, but why allow this lying, snivelling, cheating, underhand bunch to carry on lining THEIR, and their supporters' pockets, with OUR DOSH????????
GET THEM GONE!
Just don't want it to be Cameron's mob that replaces them.
He is just another Blair and his party are just another bunch of short termist career politicians.
Still of you really believe they are worth voting in get on with it. I shall either not be bothering or voting for someone else.
02 February 2009, 04:58 PM
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No I'm saying Labour have to go.
Just don't want it to be Cameron's mob that replaces them.
He is just another Blair and his party are just another bunch of short termist career politicians.
Still of you really believe they are worth voting in get on with it. I shall either not be bothering or voting for someone else.
Just don't want it to be Cameron's mob that replaces them.
He is just another Blair and his party are just another bunch of short termist career politicians.
Still of you really believe they are worth voting in get on with it. I shall either not be bothering or voting for someone else.
Best thing would be a few years of hung parliaments, when we might, just MIGHT, see some decisions made to benefit the electorate, instead of someone's political dogma, or their supporters........
02 February 2009, 05:01 PM
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You ARE joking? I hate the Tories as much as I hate Labour, it really boils my p*ss that it's almost certainly going to be one or the other..........
Best thing would be a few years of hung parliaments, when we might, just MIGHT, see some decisions made to benefit the electorate, instead of someone's political dogma, or their supporters........
Best thing would be a few years of hung parliaments, when we might, just MIGHT, see some decisions made to benefit the electorate, instead of someone's political dogma, or their supporters........
OK fair enough and I agree on the hung parliaments, best we can hope for I think.
02 February 2009, 05:06 PM
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Who? Me? No, I just hate loathe and despise lying, cheating, underhanded, sleazy, thieving, denying, two-faced politicians.............oh hang on, yep, I am rabid.......and proud of it
03 February 2009, 11:39 AM
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You ARE joking? I hate the Tories as much as I hate Labour, it really boils my p*ss that it's almost certainly going to be one or the other..........
Best thing would be a few years of hung parliaments, when we might, just MIGHT, see some decisions made to benefit the electorate, instead of someone's political dogma, or their supporters........
Best thing would be a few years of hung parliaments, when we might, just MIGHT, see some decisions made to benefit the electorate, instead of someone's political dogma, or their supporters........
Les
03 February 2009, 11:47 AM
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That graph measures the FTSE100. What does FTSE100 movement have to do with the government?
In 2000/2001 people realised that internet companies were not worth $1,000,000,000,000,000 and the market fell like a stone. In 2007/2008 banks realised the money they lent wasn't coming back and the market fell like a stone.
What involvement did the government have? not that I like any of them they are all crooks but that graph has nothing to do with who is in power. Just propaganda IMO.
In 2000/2001 people realised that internet companies were not worth $1,000,000,000,000,000 and the market fell like a stone. In 2007/2008 banks realised the money they lent wasn't coming back and the market fell like a stone.
What involvement did the government have? not that I like any of them they are all crooks but that graph has nothing to do with who is in power. Just propaganda IMO.
04 February 2009, 10:18 AM
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Where does all this nonsense come from?? 
Gordon Brown wants the British people to have confidence in the UK's future!
Well much of the lack of confidence is HIS fault. He destroyed the UK economy, yet he refuses to admit any errors; he refuses to accept the reports from the IMF, IFS etc; he refuses to call a General Election so that we can have a Prime Minister with a MANDATE from the British people to take the necessary steps to turn our economy around; and he is loading debt on future generations which will take decades to pay back.
Confidence will not return to the UK until a General Election is held and Nu Labour is cast into the dustbin of history for good.
Gordon Brown wants the British people to have confidence in the UK's future!
Well much of the lack of confidence is HIS fault. He destroyed the UK economy, yet he refuses to admit any errors; he refuses to accept the reports from the IMF, IFS etc; he refuses to call a General Election so that we can have a Prime Minister with a MANDATE from the British people to take the necessary steps to turn our economy around; and he is loading debt on future generations which will take decades to pay back.
Confidence will not return to the UK until a General Election is held and Nu Labour is cast into the dustbin of history for good.
Like them or not now isn't the time for an election, it would be absolute stupidity to have an election when you need all the effort of our parliament focusing on our economy and getting through a very dangerous time. An election would pull the parties even further apart when we need them more together, if the other lot got in, how long do you think it would take for them to get up to speed on what's happening? meanwhile the country just sits twiddling its thumbs waiting? no things will be getting even worse.
Best to wait for things to be more stable first.
As for Brown , well he made some mistakes but you cant blame all on one man its just stupid and gets you nowhere, especially when on the other hand you say he has no influence on the world stage and then blame him for influencing the worlds financial problems in some way.(general point not aimed at unclebuck above)
The biggest mistake Labour made was continuing with the over reliance on the financial market and further de-regulation started by the Tories when they should have focused more on our crippled industry.
Quite ironic that this government was accused in the past of being a nanny state and over regulating and now it turns out they weren't regulating enough and by the sounds of things people want an nanny state.
People in this country gorged on credit and now its time for the inevitable belly ache, if the government did all it could to stop people getting credit over the last decade people would have been up in arms.
A lot of people talk about denial of responsibility with Brown, well what about the responsibility of the individual? seems when things go wrong personal responsibility goes out the window in this country.
04 February 2009, 10:28 AM
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If the party doesn't agree with its leader it has a vote of confidence in that leader.
People really need to be better educated about our political system in this country, this is the UK not US we don't have a president, though I can understand the why people may think we do over theses last few years.
Recently power may have been to far in the direction of party leaders, but that's down to the lack of quality MPs that will speak out for what they believe in, the whole party whip thing is being abused these days if you ask me, MPs need more freedom to speak out for the constituencies that elected them.
04 February 2009, 10:38 AM
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That graph measures the FTSE100. What does FTSE100 movement have to do with the government?
In 2000/2001 people realised that internet companies were not worth $1,000,000,000,000,000 and the market fell like a stone. In 2007/2008 banks realised the money they lent wasn't coming back and the market fell like a stone.
What involvement did the government have? not that I like any of them they are all crooks but that graph has nothing to do with who is in power. Just propaganda IMO.
In 2000/2001 people realised that internet companies were not worth $1,000,000,000,000,000 and the market fell like a stone. In 2007/2008 banks realised the money they lent wasn't coming back and the market fell like a stone.
What involvement did the government have? not that I like any of them they are all crooks but that graph has nothing to do with who is in power. Just propaganda IMO.
People do tend to think too much in black and white in this country(no not talking about race). Personally I'd hate to have to run our nation of wingers and whiners.
03 June 2009, 11:25 AM
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The real challenge is to find a Labour government that hasn't exited power in total financial meltdown.
Sadly it is us poor sods that feel the pain of any government's failure.
Sadly it is us poor sods that feel the pain of any government's failure.
03 June 2009, 12:59 PM
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He's a terrible prime minister, but the very fact that there is even a thread asking whether he would win an election or not shows just how poor the opposition are.
Love him or hate him Barack Obama is a perosnailiuty, a leader and a great speaker. Sadly we in the UK have no Barack Obama waiting in the wings, just David Cameron and his bunch of half wits and that is why I shall either not be voting or voting for one of the more minor parties.
Cameron is another Blair - same s**t, different coloured rosette.
Love him or hate him Barack Obama is a perosnailiuty, a leader and a great speaker. Sadly we in the UK have no Barack Obama waiting in the wings, just David Cameron and his bunch of half wits and that is why I shall either not be voting or voting for one of the more minor parties.
Cameron is another Blair - same s**t, different coloured rosette.
The saving grace is that Conservative policies should on the face of it be much better for this country compared with what we have seen up to now. The secret agenda of the lot we have at the moment does not bear thinking about for our future.
I don't really know about Cameron's abilities, but having seen what has been done to this country over the last 12 years, I think I would prefer to take my chances with the Conservatives. They have not seemed to be very good at picking leaders in more recent years. If only they had elected David Davis we might have a few less doubts.
Not voting is a big mistake. It will prove nothing to the politicians and may even let the worse kind of party take control. It is at least vitally important to choose the least bad of the bunch even if you do hate them all. Your vote is the one bit of power that you have left!
Les
03 June 2009, 01:19 PM
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Erm, no, I meant the Poll Tax, the ERM Fiasco, the 20% Interest Rates, the NHS on its knees, State Schools crumbling, 3 day week ............. I could go on until the wee small hours.
And I think you will find that the Power Cuts and the 27% Inflation Rate was under Maggie Thatcher
And I think you will find that the Power Cuts and the 27% Inflation Rate was under Maggie Thatcher
You have conveniently forgotten the parlous state that Callaghan and his mates brought us into. The IMF was refusing him any more credit! And he could not even recognise a crisis when he saw one, or so he said!
Of course all parties are vulnerable to criticism, but when you are trying to run the Conservative's efforts down, you might at least get your facts right instead of disappearing into the realms of fantasy.
You have also forgotten that what we have now is by no means a Labour Government in the true meaning of the name. NL is in fact streets away from real Labour which in the old days at least used to think about what they could do for the people of this country! There is no such feeling of honour amongst this lot!
Les
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