BMW, Ultimate driving machine?
04 February 2009, 09:46 AM
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I can understand that one - I had a 306 dturbo once. For 3 weeks in which it broke down twice. I HATED that car for all of the 3 weeks of ownership. 1st class walking is better than 3rd class travel anyday.
04 February 2009, 09:46 AM
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A lot of problems with modern RWS cars come from the Traction control systems. You simply can't drive them in snow with the systems turned on.
Ditto ABS.
None of the RWD cars i sucessfully drove in snow had any sort of Traction control or ESP systems and they were a lot better for it
Saxo, i think you're right about the FR layout and light weight being a lot more tricky. All lightweight roadsters like S2000, MX5 etc are probablly the same in such conditions...
The SMG would be a nightmare too i'd imagine.
Ditto ABS.
None of the RWD cars i sucessfully drove in snow had any sort of Traction control or ESP systems and they were a lot better for it
Saxo, i think you're right about the FR layout and light weight being a lot more tricky. All lightweight roadsters like S2000, MX5 etc are probablly the same in such conditions...
The SMG would be a nightmare too i'd imagine.
04 February 2009, 09:47 AM
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This 911 seems quite at home in the snow....
YouTube - Porsche 911 racing and drifting on snow at the Nordschleife
YouTube - Porsche 911 racing and drifting on snow at the Nordschleife
04 February 2009, 10:07 AM
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Our £5.5k Jimny copes better in snow than probably any other car.
4x4, light. "proper" low ratio box, no silly electronics, simple. The Scandies love 'em.
Only 4WD car I have had (the R32) was a bit cack in the snow. Still loved it though.
4x4, light. "proper" low ratio box, no silly electronics, simple. The Scandies love 'em.
Only 4WD car I have had (the R32) was a bit cack in the snow. Still loved it though.
04 February 2009, 10:21 AM
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Funny thread. What do you expect from a BMW? Its got near 50 50 wieght distribution which makes it fantastic to drive in anything but snow where obviously a car with 80% of its weight stuck over the front end is going to perform better.
I just dont take the BM out in the snow not worth the hassle.
ps no snow at all in belfast (so far)
pps SMG would be useless in the snow.
I just dont take the BM out in the snow not worth the hassle.
ps no snow at all in belfast (so far)
pps SMG would be useless in the snow.
04 February 2009, 11:47 AM
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i also have driven in snow in a bmw and bugatti, ferrari, maserati, porsche and i was wearing a diamond rolex and had a faberge egg in the boot and own porperties in london, zurich and paris and found it easy not a problem, my butler said i was the best he had seen.
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04 February 2009, 12:05 PM
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04 February 2009, 12:24 PM
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Oxford airport?
I did engineering work (used to be a Geotec engineer) at a couple of small airports and noticed most of the businesses based there had very nice motors parked outside!
I did engineering work (used to be a Geotec engineer) at a couple of small airports and noticed most of the businesses based there had very nice motors parked outside!
04 February 2009, 12:57 PM
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04 February 2009, 01:10 PM
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i have a casio digital watch 9.99 from argos with a cubic zirconia glued to it. looks well bling
edit: ah i see what you mean now matteboy re the watch thread, i love the omega, rolex threads and some random guy will say 'i like that watch, it looks a bit like my seamaster that i bought to replace my breitling' etc etc and there will be pics of a girl-esque wrist with a gigantic £3000 watch overpowering it. i love it.
edit: ah i see what you mean now matteboy re the watch thread, i love the omega, rolex threads and some random guy will say 'i like that watch, it looks a bit like my seamaster that i bought to replace my breitling' etc etc and there will be pics of a girl-esque wrist with a gigantic £3000 watch overpowering it. i love it.
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04 February 2009, 01:17 PM
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i have a casio digital watch 9.99 from argos with a cubic zirconia glued to it. looks well bling
edit: ah i see what you mean now matteboy re the watch thread, i love the omega, rolex threads and some random guy will say 'i like that watch, it looks a bit like my seamaster that i bought to replace my breitling' etc etc and there will be pics of a girl-esque wrist with a gigantic £3000 watch overpowering it. i love it.
edit: ah i see what you mean now matteboy re the watch thread, i love the omega, rolex threads and some random guy will say 'i like that watch, it looks a bit like my seamaster that i bought to replace my breitling' etc etc and there will be pics of a girl-esque wrist with a gigantic £3000 watch overpowering it. i love it.
05 February 2009, 05:19 PM
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just a couple of points.
911's have the engine sitting over the driven wheels which should help with traction if going by an old workm8 who had an ancient rear engined skoda who said it was brilliant in the snow.
theres alot of hear say about what you should do to when driving in snow.
for example 1 side of the coin will say use narrow tyres so theres more pressure between tyre and snow...the other side will say no use wide tyres as they offer more grip due to surface contact and then theres the ones who say deflate your tyres to get more contact area!!!!
also just a sugestion but if a rwd drive car is undriveable in the snow i.e. it cant make it up the hill to where you live could you not turn the traction control or stability system off as it might be hindering you by cutting in all the time and stopping you from getting anywhere????
i remember racing a citroen ax in the wet and its skinny tyres must of helped it out handle me in the 5gtturbo.as i couldnt go any faster round the corner without going straight ahead.
my brothers accord type r with lsd seemed very good climbing up the hill to where i lived in the slippery frozen road.
911's have the engine sitting over the driven wheels which should help with traction if going by an old workm8 who had an ancient rear engined skoda who said it was brilliant in the snow.
theres alot of hear say about what you should do to when driving in snow.
for example 1 side of the coin will say use narrow tyres so theres more pressure between tyre and snow...the other side will say no use wide tyres as they offer more grip due to surface contact and then theres the ones who say deflate your tyres to get more contact area!!!!
also just a sugestion but if a rwd drive car is undriveable in the snow i.e. it cant make it up the hill to where you live could you not turn the traction control or stability system off as it might be hindering you by cutting in all the time and stopping you from getting anywhere????
i remember racing a citroen ax in the wet and its skinny tyres must of helped it out handle me in the 5gtturbo.as i couldnt go any faster round the corner without going straight ahead.
my brothers accord type r with lsd seemed very good climbing up the hill to where i lived in the slippery frozen road.
06 February 2009, 09:08 AM
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Most cars are poor in the snow.RWD even more so.
The only surprising revelation I have had during this horrendous time of 2 whole inches of snow was from my friend who was cursing his BMW X5.
The only surprising revelation I have had during this horrendous time of 2 whole inches of snow was from my friend who was cursing his BMW X5.
06 February 2009, 11:31 AM
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Been there and done this, I have an M3 SMG and got stuck on a very slight slope, had the joy of watching several old dears drive past me in little FWD hatches.
My Renault Laguna diesel estate is far better - god I feel old saying that.
My Renault Laguna diesel estate is far better - god I feel old saying that.
06 February 2009, 11:39 AM
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My BM is garbage in the snow. No matter how I drive it it's got rubbish traction & does not stop. The run flats are not good at the best of times which does not help.
Wife's Octavia VRs is much better and perfectly drivable.
I know everyone is quick to point out it's the BMW driver that's at fault etc etc but it's the only car I have ever struggled with in bad weather
- utter crap!
Wife's Octavia VRs is much better and perfectly drivable.
I know everyone is quick to point out it's the BMW driver that's at fault etc etc but it's the only car I have ever struggled with in bad weather
- utter crap!
You guys must have a forum somewhere! 
06 February 2009, 12:14 PM
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I think I annoyed a BM in the snow the other morning. He was trying to follow me and was right up my chuff through the roundabout, came out the otherside and fish tailed like a carp. he backed off to change his pants I think. AWD was a definate advantage.
06 February 2009, 01:58 PM
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06 February 2009, 02:52 PM
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theres snow and theres snow, driving in a couple of inches is one thing, we had 8" on the road this morning and I could have done with a ferrrari going first as I can Imagine the snow plough effect from the lack of clearance on the front spoiler must be quite good. As it was had to take the 4x4 and just drive through it uncleared
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06 February 2009, 05:18 PM
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because the engine is sitting over the rear wheels giving better traction to the driven wheels its a no brainer lol!!!!
thats why normal rwd cars are a night mare in freezing/snowing conditions theres no weight sitting over the rear wheels!!
thats why normal rwd cars are a night mare in freezing/snowing conditions theres no weight sitting over the rear wheels!!
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