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08 February 2009, 09:06 AM
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With all due respect what negative performance impact? I am in the UK on Virgin media broadband and the site is definitely slitghy faster, certainly not slower.
As for hosting in the UK when UK hosting companies can give the same burst speeds and bandwidth deals as our American or European cousins then I am sure we will all happily host in the UK. Sadly though at the present time the UK is lagging behind the rest of the world in this respect, I could go into the political machinations as to why that is, but most of you wouldn't be happy to hear it.
As for hosting in the UK when UK hosting companies can give the same burst speeds and bandwidth deals as our American or European cousins then I am sure we will all happily host in the UK. Sadly though at the present time the UK is lagging behind the rest of the world in this respect, I could go into the political machinations as to why that is, but most of you wouldn't be happy to hear it.
08 February 2009, 09:16 AM
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Sheez... are you serious... Is this the way most of you feel about your bretheren across the way. I think I may have joined the wrong forum over here. It is my love of the impreza that brought me here in the first place... and I dont feel the America bashing is necessary... I suspect that there are many more Americans on this forum than me.... who like me... would love to give our mates a hand at anything if we can help.
DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE!
DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE!I don't think we really share many of your values; in some ways, that's a shame, in others, not.
Although the press do hype it up over here, I still think many of the public blame the US for:
- Dragging us into 2 wars we had no business in (Afghanistan and Iraq (x2))
- The rather cavalier attitude to borrowing which led to the collapse in the US sub-prime property markets and ultimately kicked off the latest recession.
- The mass litigation culture which has now cascaded into our society - the "it's never my fault, I'll make someone else pay" and "you can't say x, it might offend y" attitude has effectively made a mockery of the country; people with skills are no longer rewarded, they're held back - we now have to worry about offending anyone and anything, and people can't climb a 2 foot ladder without a health and safety course
That said, there are plenty of Americans who are perfectly nice pleasant people - unfortunately, having a president like Bush representing you all for the last however many years has really given you all a bad name. Maybe Obama can change all that eh?
I wonder how long before some leftie gets hold of this.....
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08 February 2009, 09:24 AM
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With all due respect what negative performance impact? I am in the UK on Virgin media broadband and the site is definitely slitghy faster, certainly not slower.
As for hosting in the UK when UK hosting companies can give the same burst speeds and bandwidth deals as our American or European cousins then I am sure we will all happily host in the UK. Sadly though at the present time the UK is lagging behind the rest of the world in this respect, I could go into the political machinations as to why that is, but most of you wouldn't be happy to hear it.
As for hosting in the UK when UK hosting companies can give the same burst speeds and bandwidth deals as our American or European cousins then I am sure we will all happily host in the UK. Sadly though at the present time the UK is lagging behind the rest of the world in this respect, I could go into the political machinations as to why that is, but most of you wouldn't be happy to hear it.
The performance lag seems intermittent - sometimes pages will load, other times they will time out.
In regards to speed and bandwidth, that's all very well when the site's in your country, but anyone who's worked for a global company can appreciate that a site hosted in your own region is, 99.9% of the time, always faster than one hosted elsewhere. Even if you throw thousands of dollars at hardware / software in the foreign hosting company, you could probably easily outperform it with something basic locally.
If what you say was true, all our banks etc. would use foreign servers for electronic trading transactions, but that isn't the case.
Saving money doesn't always equal better. Outsourcing call centres anyone?
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08 February 2009, 11:32 AM
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I'm with Sky (not the fastest ISP but not bad), and since the move the site has definitely been slower. In fact, it's just taken me 20 seconds to edit this post! Previously, 1-2 seconds max.
The performance lag seems intermittent - sometimes pages will load, other times they will time out.
In regards to speed and bandwidth, that's all very well when the site's in your country, but anyone who's worked for a global company can appreciate that a site hosted in your own region is, 99.9% of the time, always faster than one hosted elsewhere. Even if you throw thousands of dollars at hardware / software in the foreign hosting company, you could probably easily outperform it with something basic locally.
If what you say was true, all our banks etc. would use foreign servers for electronic trading transactions, but that isn't the case.
Saving money doesn't always equal better. Outsourcing call centres anyone?
The performance lag seems intermittent - sometimes pages will load, other times they will time out.
In regards to speed and bandwidth, that's all very well when the site's in your country, but anyone who's worked for a global company can appreciate that a site hosted in your own region is, 99.9% of the time, always faster than one hosted elsewhere. Even if you throw thousands of dollars at hardware / software in the foreign hosting company, you could probably easily outperform it with something basic locally.
If what you say was true, all our banks etc. would use foreign servers for electronic trading transactions, but that isn't the case.
Saving money doesn't always equal better. Outsourcing call centres anyone?
Can't believe my previous post got negged. This place makes me laugh sometimes. The site is faster for me - fact and I simply told it like it is about server availability in th UK and it gets negged. What a laugh
08 February 2009, 01:39 PM
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If what I say is true????? You try getting a high bandwidth high burst speed reliable managed server in the UK for less than you can in the US and I will retract my statement. I do this sort of thing all the time for my customers and hence I do happen to know just for once what I am talking about.
Can't believe my previous post got negged. This place makes me laugh sometimes. The site is faster for me - fact and I simply told it like it is about server availability in th UK and it gets negged. What a laugh
Can't believe my previous post got negged. This place makes me laugh sometimes. The site is faster for me - fact and I simply told it like it is about server availability in th UK and it gets negged. What a laugh
Someone disagrees with you - it happens, don't take it so personally!
08 February 2009, 01:42 PM
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I wasn't but the performance isn't an issue, the server is faster. At least for me anyway. Hence if it is faster for me it is faster end of. I.e. the issue you are experiencing lies elsewhere.
08 February 2009, 02:25 PM
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The problem is that certain ISPs route their traffic differently to others. Some give preferential routing to UK based traffic, others to International, others not at all.
Then their are user speed caps, traffic type routing etc. etc. It is not as simple as a server is faster in the UK than the US. Some of it depends on how and where the server is connected to the net, some on the ISP the user is using and some on the net routing in between.
You're on Sky I think and I am sure that uses BT which is well known for speed issues with some US locations.
Also your comment about all the users on this thread experiencing problems being wrong. Not saying they are, but what about all the ones not commenting out of the 97K plus registered users the site has (OK say 20K to allow for PSLewis's aliases
) - maybe they are finding no problems making your percentage a little small.Just a thought!
08 February 2009, 03:47 PM
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I'm with Sky (not the fastest ISP but not bad), and since the move the site has definitely been slower. In fact, it's just taken me 20 seconds to edit this post! Previously, 1-2 seconds max.
The performance lag seems intermittent - sometimes pages will load, other times they will time out.
In regards to speed and bandwidth, that's all very well when the site's in your country, but anyone who's worked for a global company can appreciate that a site hosted in your own region is, 99.9% of the time, always faster than one hosted elsewhere. Even if you throw thousands of dollars at hardware / software in the foreign hosting company, you could probably easily outperform it with something basic locally.
If what you say was true, all our banks etc. would use foreign servers for electronic trading transactions, but that isn't the case.
Saving money doesn't always equal better. Outsourcing call centres anyone?
The performance lag seems intermittent - sometimes pages will load, other times they will time out.
In regards to speed and bandwidth, that's all very well when the site's in your country, but anyone who's worked for a global company can appreciate that a site hosted in your own region is, 99.9% of the time, always faster than one hosted elsewhere. Even if you throw thousands of dollars at hardware / software in the foreign hosting company, you could probably easily outperform it with something basic locally.
If what you say was true, all our banks etc. would use foreign servers for electronic trading transactions, but that isn't the case.
Saving money doesn't always equal better. Outsourcing call centres anyone?
It does beat using my Skodafone dongle which really did suck ***.
08 February 2009, 03:52 PM
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If there is no right or wrong, why say:
Don't forget of course that Virgin offer different speed packages so you're likely to have higher bandwidth available than my connection, and in such a case your connection would always be expected to be faster than my standard DSL.
If you factor that in, then it's virtually impossible for you to say "if it's fast for me it's fast for everyone."
I'm basing the performance comparison on my Sky, and my 3G iPhone connections - both have deteriorated in performance notably since the migration.
The information you put about ISP's is correct I agree in terms of routing, but let's face it - whatever spin you put on it, a server that's closer to the user, network-wise is always likely to be able to respond faster than a server in another country unless there are very unusual circumstances under which the user is connecting.
If you do networking, then you will be aware that, for example, investment banks always host their trading servers close to or in the same building as their trading floor. Why? Because it's faster to have the server closer. Moving the server outside that radius means that subsecond trading incurs delays and that simply isn't acceptable in the world of banking as prices change so quickly.
Hence if it is faster for me it is faster end of. I.e. the issue you are experiencing lies elsewhere.
Don't forget of course that Virgin offer different speed packages so you're likely to have higher bandwidth available than my connection, and in such a case your connection would always be expected to be faster than my standard DSL.
If you factor that in, then it's virtually impossible for you to say "if it's fast for me it's fast for everyone."
I'm basing the performance comparison on my Sky, and my 3G iPhone connections - both have deteriorated in performance notably since the migration.
The information you put about ISP's is correct I agree in terms of routing, but let's face it - whatever spin you put on it, a server that's closer to the user, network-wise is always likely to be able to respond faster than a server in another country unless there are very unusual circumstances under which the user is connecting.
If you do networking, then you will be aware that, for example, investment banks always host their trading servers close to or in the same building as their trading floor. Why? Because it's faster to have the server closer. Moving the server outside that radius means that subsecond trading incurs delays and that simply isn't acceptable in the world of banking as prices change so quickly.
08 February 2009, 04:02 PM
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Because the server IS faster, your experience of using it via your ISP isn't. Two different things.
On 4 meg here!. Higher bandwidth has nothing to do with latency and speed of response btw. I could have 100Meg and using Scoobynet would be no different to 4 Meg in real terms all other things being equal.
I didn't, I said the server is faster which was the opposite view to the way the conversation seemed to be heading. As above your experince of using it in the US is slower than when it was in the UK. Not the same thing.
Maybe you will have to live with it or change ISPs if you can't! I doubt it will be moved back to the UK because of a handful of people complaining on this thread
Agreed on the whole, but if the response is better/not noticeable for most and the costs are dramtically cheaper guess where I think it will be staying.
You have just answered your own question. Since when did a car forum need the split second response of a trading floor? It doesn't and hence cost of hosting is bound to be a major factor in the decision process of how to host it as opposed to the response time being the major factor for the banks.
The information you put about ISP's is correct I agree in terms of routing, but let's face it - whatever spin you put on it, a server that's closer to the user, network-wise is always likely to be able to respond faster than a server in another country unless there are very unusual circumstances under which the user is connecting.
If you do networking, then you will be aware that, for example, investment banks always host their trading servers close to or in the same building as their trading floor. Why? Because it's faster to have the server closer. Moving the server outside that radius means that subsecond trading incurs delays and that simply isn't acceptable in the world of banking as prices change so quickly.
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08 February 2009, 06:31 PM
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F1 Fan,
Can I please borrow your specs, because I swear you're reading different stuff to what I'm writing.... I quote your own post to you and you deny writing it!??
Two things I wanted to run by you:
1. A 4Mb line should be faster than a 2Mb assuming your ISP aren't lying to you about your bandwidth. You can transfer more data across the connection simultaneously. End of. Correct? Simple yes or no.
2. Let's also think about networking. How many more hops do we have to navigate now because the site's in the US? How does this affect us?
Well doing an online site monitor from watchmouse.com pointing at scoobynet we can see the following:
Austin, Tx
Resolve time: 127 ms
Connect time: 60 ms
Download time: 598 ms
San Francisco (no guessing where it's hosted then....)
Resolve time: 27 ms
Connect time: 11 ms
Download time: 338 ms
Paris, FR
Resolve time: 179 ms
Connect time: 156 ms
Download time: 1039 ms
Lille, FR
Resolve time: 3832 ms
Connect time: 171 ms
Download time: 1000 ms
So it appears that in most cases it takes over 3 times longer in total to resolve a US site from Europe than it does in the US. Download times look particularly bad. The response time for Poland was so bad it was laughable.
Once again my comment regarding banking and server placemet seems to have been misunderstood and then used out of context.
Let's just summarise - I was trying to point out CLOSE TO SERVER = QUICKER. But I suspect that still, even with the stats above you'll tell me otherwise?
In fact, perhaps you'll tell me next that black is white, and Gordon Brown and Labour really are doing a good job and have our best interests at heart?
You're PSLewis aren't you?
Can I please borrow your specs, because I swear you're reading different stuff to what I'm writing.... I quote your own post to you and you deny writing it!??
Two things I wanted to run by you:
1. A 4Mb line should be faster than a 2Mb assuming your ISP aren't lying to you about your bandwidth. You can transfer more data across the connection simultaneously. End of. Correct? Simple yes or no.
2. Let's also think about networking. How many more hops do we have to navigate now because the site's in the US? How does this affect us?
Well doing an online site monitor from watchmouse.com pointing at scoobynet we can see the following:
Austin, Tx
Resolve time: 127 ms
Connect time: 60 ms
Download time: 598 ms
San Francisco (no guessing where it's hosted then....)
Resolve time: 27 ms
Connect time: 11 ms
Download time: 338 ms
Paris, FR
Resolve time: 179 ms
Connect time: 156 ms
Download time: 1039 ms
Lille, FR
Resolve time: 3832 ms
Connect time: 171 ms
Download time: 1000 ms
So it appears that in most cases it takes over 3 times longer in total to resolve a US site from Europe than it does in the US. Download times look particularly bad. The response time for Poland was so bad it was laughable.
Once again my comment regarding banking and server placemet seems to have been misunderstood and then used out of context.
Let's just summarise - I was trying to point out CLOSE TO SERVER = QUICKER. But I suspect that still, even with the stats above you'll tell me otherwise?
In fact, perhaps you'll tell me next that black is white, and Gordon Brown and Labour really are doing a good job and have our best interests at heart?
You're PSLewis aren't you?
08 February 2009, 07:07 PM
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Oh dear, you don't seem capable of understanding my posts. Must be my fault as you are ****ing perfect of course J/k btw Look let's not get upset about this, it is just a forum on the net and I am just trying to explain why things are not as black and white as some seem to want to paint it. This is my line of work so I know a bit about it - not one to shout about something when I don't.
OK then.
Yes of course a 4MB connection will transfer data fater than a 2MB, but if you consider a page request for a standard HTML page like a forum page is made up of the time to establish the 'link' (the connection request) and the time to transfer the data then the difference between a 2MB line and a 4MB line is negligible as the connection request and establishment of the connection is the same for both and the amount of data sent down the line for the page is comparitively small hence the time for the former makes up most of the duration of the request. Downloading a large file e.g. a video is a different issue as the amount of data is much greater and this is where a 4MB line will be noticeably faster to a 2MB line all other things being equal.
Look the stats above are fine, but there are way too many variables to just treat one set of stats as gospel. Leaving that aside I have no argument with closer to the server = quicker (all other things being equal). Just trying to point our that for a bank that response time is critical and hence they will pay through the nose for it whereas for Scoobynet I suspect that cost is the more important issue as long as the diufference in response times isn't too great hence why we are in America.
Having said that though depending on how the server is connected to the net compared to how it was in the UK and if the spec of the server is better (which I think it obviously is) it could well be faster for many users or not any slower than before anyway. It is definitely slightly faster for me or am I making that up too
Look I have no axe to grind or reason to support IB on this. Just posting it as I see it.
Oh and by the way I think they are hosted in LA.
Now can we draw a line under this. If the above is not to your liking then I am sorry, but there is nothing written above that criticises you or the likes and what is written is true, if it wasn't I would be out of a job for having no understanding of how the web works. And if I don't get back to work I may well be LOL
J/k btw Look let's not get upset about this, it is just a forum on the net and I am just trying to explain why things are not as black and white as some seem to want to paint it. This is my line of work so I know a bit about it - not one to shout about something when I don't.OK then.
2. Let's also think about networking. How many more hops do we have to navigate now because the site's in the US? How does this affect us?
Well doing an online site monitor from watchmouse.com pointing at scoobynet we can see the following:
Austin, Tx
Resolve time: 127 ms
Connect time: 60 ms
Download time: 598 ms
San Francisco (no guessing where it's hosted then....)
Resolve time: 27 ms
Connect time: 11 ms
Download time: 338 ms
Paris, FR
Resolve time: 179 ms
Connect time: 156 ms
Download time: 1039 ms
Lille, FR
Resolve time: 3832 ms
Connect time: 171 ms
Download time: 1000 ms
So it appears that in most cases it takes over 3 times longer in total to resolve a US site from Europe than it does in the US. Download times look particularly bad. The response time for Poland was so bad it was laughable.
Once again my comment regarding banking and server placemet seems to have been misunderstood and then used out of context.
Let's just summarise - I was trying to point out CLOSE TO SERVER = QUICKER. But I suspect that still, even with the stats above you'll tell me otherwise?
Well doing an online site monitor from watchmouse.com pointing at scoobynet we can see the following:
Austin, Tx
Resolve time: 127 ms
Connect time: 60 ms
Download time: 598 ms
San Francisco (no guessing where it's hosted then....)
Resolve time: 27 ms
Connect time: 11 ms
Download time: 338 ms
Paris, FR
Resolve time: 179 ms
Connect time: 156 ms
Download time: 1039 ms
Lille, FR
Resolve time: 3832 ms
Connect time: 171 ms
Download time: 1000 ms
So it appears that in most cases it takes over 3 times longer in total to resolve a US site from Europe than it does in the US. Download times look particularly bad. The response time for Poland was so bad it was laughable.
Once again my comment regarding banking and server placemet seems to have been misunderstood and then used out of context.
Let's just summarise - I was trying to point out CLOSE TO SERVER = QUICKER. But I suspect that still, even with the stats above you'll tell me otherwise?
Having said that though depending on how the server is connected to the net compared to how it was in the UK and if the spec of the server is better (which I think it obviously is) it could well be faster for many users or not any slower than before anyway. It is definitely slightly faster for me or am I making that up too
Look I have no axe to grind or reason to support IB on this. Just posting it as I see it.
Oh and by the way I think they are hosted in LA.
Now can we draw a line under this. If the above is not to your liking then I am sorry, but there is nothing written above that criticises you or the likes and what is written is true, if it wasn't I would be out of a job for having no understanding of how the web works. And if I don't get back to work I may well be LOL
10 February 2009, 01:58 AM
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Evening guys,
The server has been offline tonight having some tweaks of one thing and another so now you seem to have got most of your complaints down I can start to look at addressing them for you, but first of all let me tell you that I know the response time isn't what we had hoped for, but that is nothing to do with the move to USA, that’s more to do with poor interaction between the caching system employed and the buggy existing SN templates. We hope the pending upgraded software will fix that. my fingers are crossed...
If anyone is in any doubt as to how the software should respond in USA, please try this site as it has also been moved and it is busier than SN. I have in fact popped a topic up to gage some response from members after the move: Bear in mind, to help you understand the poll responses, it was also faster than SN before the move. A LOT faster.
*Will be on and offline a bit tonight though as installing some new toys*
For me, SN is now significantly faster, but then in the UK it was awful for me when others thought it was OK. There is always going to be an issue between different ISP's depending on their backbone connection and what their overseas transfer policy is, but as a whole using SN on a US server from UK should be more than acceptable.
For further reference, try this one and see how it feels. This forum is some 5x busier than Sn so bear that in mind as it will never be quite as responsive as a forum this small.
The bottom line is this:
We needed to get a better server so we can serve you better. The experience we were providing SN members was not up to our required Internet Brands standards and the new features I have personally planned for you quite simply wouldn't work on the existing hardware, so we had to move servers and having personal experience of other IB run sites in the USA that are far larger than this one I was happy for us to move and I hope to prove to you that it is a perfectly acceptable move once the software upgrade is performed and things start to run as they should. Don't forget I am a petrol head and a forum rat at heart, I want this place to run smoothly even more than you do, but things take time and testing so please cut us some slack.
To address some questions:
I think other people have answered that perfectly well.
What implications are you referring to and what personal data have you submitted that you are specifically concerned about?
What have I missed? is there something interesting there that I cant see?
I think you have missed a major point here. ScoobyNet is a US owned website and its now hosted on US servers owned by the same US company and maintained by staff employed by the same US company.
What’s more natural than that?
Is this also why our subscription emails arrive at 8am rather than at midnight?
Now means it's far more difficult to get first dibs on anything in the for sale section
Apologies, nobody else has noticed this issue. it will be fixed, well spotted.
Id carry on guessing if I were you....
Too late, F1 fan seems to know his stuff...
The server has been offline tonight having some tweaks of one thing and another so now you seem to have got most of your complaints down I can start to look at addressing them for you, but first of all let me tell you that I know the response time isn't what we had hoped for, but that is nothing to do with the move to USA, that’s more to do with poor interaction between the caching system employed and the buggy existing SN templates. We hope the pending upgraded software will fix that. my fingers are crossed...
If anyone is in any doubt as to how the software should respond in USA, please try this site as it has also been moved and it is busier than SN. I have in fact popped a topic up to gage some response from members after the move: Bear in mind, to help you understand the poll responses, it was also faster than SN before the move. A LOT faster.
*Will be on and offline a bit tonight though as installing some new toys*
For me, SN is now significantly faster, but then in the UK it was awful for me when others thought it was OK. There is always going to be an issue between different ISP's depending on their backbone connection and what their overseas transfer policy is, but as a whole using SN on a US server from UK should be more than acceptable.
For further reference, try this one and see how it feels. This forum is some 5x busier than Sn so bear that in mind as it will never be quite as responsive as a forum this small.
The bottom line is this:
We needed to get a better server so we can serve you better. The experience we were providing SN members was not up to our required Internet Brands standards and the new features I have personally planned for you quite simply wouldn't work on the existing hardware, so we had to move servers and having personal experience of other IB run sites in the USA that are far larger than this one I was happy for us to move and I hope to prove to you that it is a perfectly acceptable move once the software upgrade is performed and things start to run as they should. Don't forget I am a petrol head and a forum rat at heart, I want this place to run smoothly even more than you do, but things take time and testing so please cut us some slack.
To address some questions:
What implications are you referring to and what personal data have you submitted that you are specifically concerned about?
What have I missed? is there something interesting there that I cant see?
I think you have missed a major point here. ScoobyNet is a US owned website and its now hosted on US servers owned by the same US company and maintained by staff employed by the same US company.
What’s more natural than that?
Is this also why our subscription emails arrive at 8am rather than at midnight?
Now means it's far more difficult to get first dibs on anything in the for sale section
Id carry on guessing if I were you....
Too late, F1 fan seems to know his stuff...
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whens the search function gonna be up and running need to get some info on few things that i know used to be on here been trying last few hours,very frustrating.................why fix somethin if it wasnt broke
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10 February 2009, 07:41 AM
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Evening guys,
The server has been offline tonight having some tweaks of one thing and another so now you seem to have got most of your complaints down I can start to look at addressing them for you, but first of all let me tell you that I know the response time isn't what we had hoped for, but that is nothing to do with the move to USA, that’s more to do with poor interaction between the caching system employed and the buggy existing SN templates. We hope the pending upgraded software will fix that. my fingers are crossed...
If anyone is in any doubt as to how the software should respond in USA, please try this site as it has also been moved and it is busier than SN. I have in fact popped a topic up to gage some response from members after the move: Bear in mind, to help you understand the poll responses, it was also faster than SN before the move. A LOT faster.
*Will be on and offline a bit tonight though as installing some new toys*
For me, SN is now significantly faster, but then in the UK it was awful for me when others thought it was OK. There is always going to be an issue between different ISP's depending on their backbone connection and what their overseas transfer policy is, but as a whole using SN on a US server from UK should be more than acceptable.
For further reference, try this one and see how it feels. This forum is some 5x busier than Sn so bear that in mind as it will never be quite as responsive as a forum this small.
The bottom line is this:
We needed to get a better server so we can serve you better. The experience we were providing SN members was not up to our required Internet Brands standards and the new features I have personally planned for you quite simply wouldn't work on the existing hardware, so we had to move servers and having personal experience of other IB run sites in the USA that are far larger than this one I was happy for us to move and I hope to prove to you that it is a perfectly acceptable move once the software upgrade is performed and things start to run as they should. Don't forget I am a petrol head and a forum rat at heart, I want this place to run smoothly even more than you do, but things take time and testing so please cut us some slack.
To address some questions:
I think other people have answered that perfectly well.
What implications are you referring to and what personal data have you submitted that you are specifically concerned about?
What have I missed? is there something interesting there that I cant see?
I think you have missed a major point here. ScoobyNet is a US owned website and its now hosted on US servers owned by the same US company and maintained by staff employed by the same US company.
What’s more natural than that?
Apologies, nobody else has noticed this issue. it will be fixed, well spotted.
Id carry on guessing if I were you....
Too late, F1 fan seems to know his stuff...
The server has been offline tonight having some tweaks of one thing and another so now you seem to have got most of your complaints down I can start to look at addressing them for you, but first of all let me tell you that I know the response time isn't what we had hoped for, but that is nothing to do with the move to USA, that’s more to do with poor interaction between the caching system employed and the buggy existing SN templates. We hope the pending upgraded software will fix that. my fingers are crossed...
If anyone is in any doubt as to how the software should respond in USA, please try this site as it has also been moved and it is busier than SN. I have in fact popped a topic up to gage some response from members after the move: Bear in mind, to help you understand the poll responses, it was also faster than SN before the move. A LOT faster.
*Will be on and offline a bit tonight though as installing some new toys*
For me, SN is now significantly faster, but then in the UK it was awful for me when others thought it was OK. There is always going to be an issue between different ISP's depending on their backbone connection and what their overseas transfer policy is, but as a whole using SN on a US server from UK should be more than acceptable.
For further reference, try this one and see how it feels. This forum is some 5x busier than Sn so bear that in mind as it will never be quite as responsive as a forum this small.
The bottom line is this:
We needed to get a better server so we can serve you better. The experience we were providing SN members was not up to our required Internet Brands standards and the new features I have personally planned for you quite simply wouldn't work on the existing hardware, so we had to move servers and having personal experience of other IB run sites in the USA that are far larger than this one I was happy for us to move and I hope to prove to you that it is a perfectly acceptable move once the software upgrade is performed and things start to run as they should. Don't forget I am a petrol head and a forum rat at heart, I want this place to run smoothly even more than you do, but things take time and testing so please cut us some slack.
To address some questions:
I think other people have answered that perfectly well.
What implications are you referring to and what personal data have you submitted that you are specifically concerned about?
What have I missed? is there something interesting there that I cant see?
I think you have missed a major point here. ScoobyNet is a US owned website and its now hosted on US servers owned by the same US company and maintained by staff employed by the same US company.
What’s more natural than that?
Apologies, nobody else has noticed this issue. it will be fixed, well spotted.
Id carry on guessing if I were you....
Too late, F1 fan seems to know his stuff...
Thanks for the response.
Can you please have a look at the automated mails in general?
Since the migration, I've been receiving the same mails, often 2-3 times a day, and sometimes with yesterday's content!
I suspect a timing issue is most likely to blame.
In regards to SN being US owned sure I know it is now, but was it before you bought the hosting rights?
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In regards to SN being US owned sure I know it is now, but was it before you bought the hosting rights?
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Let's put it this way - the US isn't exactly popular here. I for one certainly don't see the US as "brethren" but rather just another country in the world!
I don't think we really share many of your values; in some ways, that's a shame, in others, not.
Although the press do hype it up over here, I still think many of the public blame the US for:
- Dragging us into 2 wars we had no business in (Afghanistan and Iraq (x2))
- The rather cavalier attitude to borrowing which led to the collapse in the US sub-prime property markets and ultimately kicked off the latest recession.
- The mass litigation culture which has now cascaded into our society - the "it's never my fault, I'll make someone else pay" and "you can't say x, it might offend y" attitude has effectively made a mockery of the country; people with skills are no longer rewarded, they're held back - we now have to worry about offending anyone and anything, and people can't climb a 2 foot ladder without a health and safety course
That said, there are plenty of Americans who are perfectly nice pleasant people - unfortunately, having a president like Bush representing you all for the last however many years has really given you all a bad name. Maybe Obama can change all that eh?
I wonder how long before some leftie gets hold of this.....
I don't think we really share many of your values; in some ways, that's a shame, in others, not.
Although the press do hype it up over here, I still think many of the public blame the US for:
- Dragging us into 2 wars we had no business in (Afghanistan and Iraq (x2))
- The rather cavalier attitude to borrowing which led to the collapse in the US sub-prime property markets and ultimately kicked off the latest recession.
- The mass litigation culture which has now cascaded into our society - the "it's never my fault, I'll make someone else pay" and "you can't say x, it might offend y" attitude has effectively made a mockery of the country; people with skills are no longer rewarded, they're held back - we now have to worry about offending anyone and anything, and people can't climb a 2 foot ladder without a health and safety course
That said, there are plenty of Americans who are perfectly nice pleasant people - unfortunately, having a president like Bush representing you all for the last however many years has really given you all a bad name. Maybe Obama can change all that eh?
I wonder how long before some leftie gets hold of this.....
and my opinion about the wars, is that whether we are told the truth or not about how and why they happen ,i'am sure it is for the good of our countries , in the minds of the people in charge at least.
if you dont want to go into ANY war that these people start dont join the armed forces
but back to the forum issue, i didnt notice any problems with the speed in the first place.but i'm sure there is a good reason for it.
now back to why i came on, see if i've got an answer to where that bloody sensor in the duct connects to
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Let's put it this way - the US isn't exactly popular here. I for one certainly don't see the US as "brethren" but rather just another country in the world!
I don't think we really share many of your values; in some ways, that's a shame, in others, not.
Although the press do hype it up over here, I still think many of the public blame the US for:
- Dragging us into 2 wars we had no business in (Afghanistan and Iraq (x2))
- The rather cavalier attitude to borrowing which led to the collapse in the US sub-prime property markets and ultimately kicked off the latest recession.
- The mass litigation culture which has now cascaded into our society - the "it's never my fault, I'll make someone else pay" and "you can't say x, it might offend y" attitude has effectively made a mockery of the country; people with skills are no longer rewarded, they're held back - we now have to worry about offending anyone and anything, and people can't climb a 2 foot ladder without a health and safety course
That said, there are plenty of Americans who are perfectly nice pleasant people - unfortunately, having a president like Bush representing you all for the last however many years has really given you all a bad name. Maybe Obama can change all that eh?
I wonder how long before some leftie gets hold of this.....
I don't think we really share many of your values; in some ways, that's a shame, in others, not.
Although the press do hype it up over here, I still think many of the public blame the US for:
- Dragging us into 2 wars we had no business in (Afghanistan and Iraq (x2))
- The rather cavalier attitude to borrowing which led to the collapse in the US sub-prime property markets and ultimately kicked off the latest recession.
- The mass litigation culture which has now cascaded into our society - the "it's never my fault, I'll make someone else pay" and "you can't say x, it might offend y" attitude has effectively made a mockery of the country; people with skills are no longer rewarded, they're held back - we now have to worry about offending anyone and anything, and people can't climb a 2 foot ladder without a health and safety course
That said, there are plenty of Americans who are perfectly nice pleasant people - unfortunately, having a president like Bush representing you all for the last however many years has really given you all a bad name. Maybe Obama can change all that eh?
I wonder how long before some leftie gets hold of this.....
And then refusing to give evidence at the inquests.
And the Yanks get business people extradited by misusing a terror treaty that only works for the Yanks without them even having to provide adequate evidence.
And rendition by the Yanks to "funny" countries to be able to torture people and then blackmailing the UK government to keep quiet by threatening to withold info about terrorists.
And making us queue for hours at immigration.
And coming late to the Second World War and screwing the Brits by flogging us clappped out ships at sky high prices whilst coming over here, screwing our women too, and then claiming to have won the war itself.
Yep, we really love the Yanks, don't we?
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11 February 2009, 08:12 AM
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it doesnt say alot for the uk does it.
and my opinion about the wars, is that whether we are told the truth or not about how and why they happen ,i'am sure it is for the good of our countries , in the minds of the people in charge at least.
if you dont want to go into ANY war that these people start dont join the armed forces
but back to the forum issue, i didnt notice any problems with the speed in the first place.but i'm sure there is a good reason for it.
now back to why i came on, see if i've got an answer to where that bloody sensor in the duct connects to
and my opinion about the wars, is that whether we are told the truth or not about how and why they happen ,i'am sure it is for the good of our countries , in the minds of the people in charge at least.
if you dont want to go into ANY war that these people start dont join the armed forces
but back to the forum issue, i didnt notice any problems with the speed in the first place.but i'm sure there is a good reason for it.
now back to why i came on, see if i've got an answer to where that bloody sensor in the duct connects to
I personally completely disagree with sending them into a conflict where they have a chance of being killed for a cause nobody here believed in.
We had no reason to go to war except for being dragged into it by the US and that idiot Blair.
I have friends in the armed forces - which makes you place a little more value (and appreciation) on the brave individuals who serve in the army, navy and RAF than you seem to. Consider that if conscription was still operating, you wouldn't have a choice!
P.S. We're getting off topic here
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